MCU CRT: Thanos is not stronger than Carol

[GarrixianXD]

Fair ig

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Whatever the conclusion of this thread turns out to be I feel like we should make a discussion rule about this topic since iirc this is about the 4th or 5th time we've gone over this without any new content being used as evidence.

 

[LordTracer]

But i can add to my argument. With her attack on Thanos in this scene (2:05). If a Obviously Weak Thanos could at least take this, why wouldn't a Stronger Thanos do better. And there is no reason for Captain Marvel to totally hold back at Thanos.

This has already been brought up, the Avengers were explicitly trying to get information from Thanos, it actually makes more sense for her to not be going full power there.

Whatever the conclusion of this thread turns out to be I feel like we should make a discussion rule about this topic since iirc this is about the 4th or 5th time we've gone over this without any new content being used as evidence.

Agreed.

 

[Excellence616]

I have come to agree with OP after rereading

Whatever the conclusion of this thread turns out to be I feel like we should make a discussion rule about this topic since iirc this is about the 4th or 5th time we've gone over this without any new content being used as evidence.

I agree with this too.

 

[RanaProGamer]

Just curious, is there any official script of Endgame that can be used?

 

[Dinobot1996]

Just curious, is there any official script of Endgame that can be used?

There is an official script.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

“Carol arrives. She grabs the glove, preventing him from closing his fist. He headbutts her… but she doesn’t move. Carol pressed Thanos down but before he falls… Thanos pulls the Power Stone from its housing and punches Carol, sending her flying.” - Official Script, page 133

Nothing about absorbing power from the gauntlet, being hurt by his throw, being weaker than him or anything. Carol is flat out stronger than Thanos and would have took him out with relative ease if he didn’t use the Power Stone.

 

[Mephistus]

I agree that butch girl is stronger than baldy grape man

 

[RanaProGamer]

“Carol arrives. She grabs the glove, preventing him from closing his fist. He headbutts her… but she doesn’t move. Carol pressed Thanos down but before he falls… Thanos pulls the Power Stone from its housing and punches Carol, sending her flying.” - Official Script, page 133

Nothing about absorbing power from the gauntlet, being hurt by his throw, being weaker than him or anything. Carol is flat out stronger than Thanos and would have took him out with relative ease if he didn’t use the Power Stone.

Right but doesn't Thanos still survive a couple punches and a blast from Carol before he grabbed her hand and threw her? The fact he didn't get one-shotted from any of those attacks might prove they're relative

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Right but doesn't Thanos still survive a couple punches and a blast from Carol before he grabbed her hand and threw her? The fact he didn't get one-shotted from any of those attacks might prove they're relative

Of course, the point of the thread is to remove the scaling that says “overpowered her while weakened”

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Wholeheartedly agree, never agreed with this at all.

I do believe however that Thanos does indeed have a lifting strength advantage over CM, in their first scene, he was overpowering her leg despite being in a hold, when she overpowered him during the final fight, she was using 2 hands against 2 of his fingers,no way was he putting his full force through 2 fingers

 

[Dinobot1996]

A notable statement from Endgame editor Jeff Ford:

"Anthony [Russo] came up with the great idea -- this was a reshoot, by the way, at the last minute -- he had the great idea that Thanos pulls the power stone out of the gauntlet, and then he punches her with the raw power stone," he continued. "That is a fantastic use of that prop and that story point, because that’s what you want. And we had to find a way that he could sideline Captain Marvel for a minute, because she’s so powerful, there’s no way to do it."

 

[Chariot190]

Cool, then let’s remove that. We don’t accept headcanons here.

Except mine

A notable statement from Endgame editor Jeff Ford:

"Anthony [Russo] came up with the great idea -- this was a reshoot, by the way, at the last minute -- he had the great idea that Thanos pulls the power stone out of the gauntlet, and then he punches her with the raw power stone," he continued. "That is a fantastic use of that prop and that story point, because that’s what you want. And we had to find a way that he could sideline Captain Marvel for a minute, because she’s so powerful, there’s no way to do it."

That just kinda hard confirms it tbh.

 

[LordTracer]

Right but doesn't Thanos still survive a couple punches and a blast from Carol before he grabbed her hand and threw her? The fact he didn't get one-shotted from any of those attacks might prove they're relative

Okay, “he didn’t get one-shot” is really bad criteria for saying they’re relative, but the purpose of this thread was never to say that they’re incomparable, just that Carol is stronger than Thanos.

Although technically, this would only suggest that Thanos’ dura isn’t incomparable to Carol’s AP, his AP seems pretty incomparable to Carol’s durability since she no-sold his headbutt

 

[RanaProGamer]

Carol > Thanos is something I can get behind

 

[ThanatosX]

If the revision is to remove the Thanos > Carol scaling specifically than sure, I am fine with it.

 

[Von_Scharnhorst]

I just had a thought about Thanos "overpowering" her in the barn scene. During that scene, she wasn't flying, and she wasn't glowing all that brightly. Meanwhile, when she overpowers Thanos later on, she is able to fly, which would allow her to use more of her strength/power, rather than limiting it to one leg like in the barn scene.

 

[Armorchompy]

op makes sense, especially with ford's statement

 

[Lacku]

With all the statements from editors, official sources and even the script for Endgame itself it’s safe to say that I agree with OP.

 

[Lonkitt]

“Carol arrives. She grabs the glove, preventing him from closing his fist. He headbutts her… but she doesn’t move. Carol pressed Thanos down but before he falls… Thanos pulls the Power Stone from its housing and punches Carol, sending her flying.” - Official Script, page 133

Nothing about absorbing power from the gauntlet, being hurt by his throw, being weaker than him or anything. Carol is flat out stronger than Thanos and would have took him out with relative ease if he didn’t use the Power Stone.

A notable statement from Endgame editor Jeff Ford:

"Anthony [Russo] came up with the great idea -- this was a reshoot, by the way, at the last minute -- he had the great idea that Thanos pulls the power stone out of the gauntlet, and then he punches her with the raw power stone," he continued. "That is a fantastic use of that prop and that story point, because that’s what you want. And we had to find a way that he could sideline Captain Marvel for a minute, because she’s so powerful, there’s no way to do it."

It’s a wrap. At this point you just gotta hate Carol’s guts if you wanna call Thanos stronger

 

[Lacku]

It’s a wrap. At this point you just gotta hate Carol’s guts if you wanna call Thanos stronger

Was gonna say not trying to start beef with anybody that was saying Thanos was stronger in the downgrade CRT but I feel like there was definitely an agenda against Carol that fuelled most of it

 

[Lonkitt]

Was gonna say not trying to start beef with anybody that was saying Thanos was stronger in the downgrade CRT but I feel like there was definitely an agenda against Carol that fuelled most of it

MCU fans don’t get mad at an actor who had nothing to do with how their character was written challenge (impossible)

 

[Lacku]

MCU fans don’t get mad at an actor who had nothing to do with how their character was written challenge (impossible)

Also the fact that the CRT couldn’t even be happy with just Thanos being stronger, every single other Post-Awakening character had to be stronger too but also simultaneously piggy back off HER feats

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Also the fact that the CRT couldn’t even be happy with just Thanos being stronger, every single other Post-Awakening character had to be stronger too but also simultaneously piggy back off HER feats

Good thing you put the feats part

 

[Chariot190]

you just gotta hate Carol’s guts if you wanna call Thanos stronger

Fair point.
Disagree with OP FRA

 

[Lonkitt]

Fair point.
Disagree with OP FRA

Don’t play like that, people in might actually starting using that in favour of whacky scaling

 

[Chariot190]

Don’t play like that, people in might actually starting using that in favour of whacky scaling

You can scale anything anywhere as long as youre delusional believe

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

You can scale anything anywhere as long as youre delusional believe

Aunt May is not significantly weaker than J. Jonah Jameson, who has punched Spider-Man bloody on his own, who is physically superior to the Black Panther, who beat the Tiger God and used it to defeat Logos, who killed The Living Tribunal (High 1-A Aunt May).

 

[Dalesean027]

Aunt May is not significantly weaker than J. Jonah Jameson, who has punched Spider-Man bloody on his own, who is physically superior to the Black Panther, who beat the Tiger God and used it to defeat Logos, who killed The Living Tribunal (High 1-A Aunt May).

Consistent with Aunt May's portrayal in thr Rami movies as she could hurt doc ock and survive a goblin bomb

 

[Chariot190]

Aunt May is not significantly weaker than J. Jonah Jameson

Pretty sure he'd kick her ass actually so....

 

[M3X_2.0]

We’re done here then

 

[M3X_2.0]

Some people here have expressed their desire to make this a discussion rule, so I made this draft:

Refrain from making threads to scale Thanos above Captain Marvel. It was proven many times already that she never absorbed energy from the Infinity Stones, and confirmed twice by WoG to be so powerful that she had to be sidelined for plot progression.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Some people here have expressed their desire to make this a discussion rule, so I made this draft:

Give me all the threads where this discussion took place: I want to polish the text up.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Whatever the conclusion of this thread turns out to be I feel like we should make a discussion rule about this topic since iirc this is about the 4th or 5th time we've gone over this without any new content being used as evidence.

@Valiant_Abyss can you post the relevant threads please?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

@Valiant_Abyss can you post the relevant threads please?

I found this

Mcu revision

-sorcer supreme scaling Wong should be mhs+ and character who downscale are Like pre iw strange supreme strange dormmamu kaecillius ancient one and shang Chi abomination 0:30 wong is clearly able to React to ebony maw projectiles as he know when they entered the portal and make an portal...

vsbattles.com

This

Mcu Captain marvel downgrade

This is a bit long so I’m gonna separate these into 4 points Edit: In terms of scaling carol should be able to scale to her variant in the party Thor episode seeing as she’s shown to have the same relationship with fury like her mainline counterpart. Which would imply she went through...

vsbattles.com

 

[LordTracer]

And here’s one of the threads debunking the energy absorption stuff

Captain Marvel scaling to Thanos

Here is the fight. Her page currently says this: Large Mountain level+ (Casually put an injured Thanos in a headlock. Able to momentarily stagger Thanos by surprise), Island level with Energy Absorption (After absorbing energy from the Infinity Stones, she was able to briefly overpower Thanos...

vsbattles.com

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

A notable statement from Endgame editor Jeff Ford:

"Anthony [Russo] came up with the great idea -- this was a reshoot, by the way, at the last minute -- he had the great idea that Thanos pulls the power stone out of the gauntlet, and then he punches her with the raw power stone," he continued. "That is a fantastic use of that prop and that story point, because that’s what you want. And we had to find a way that he could sideline Captain Marvel for a minute, because she’s so powerful, there’s no way to do it."

Well atleast it’s an actual direct statement

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Here's my draft:

*Do not attempt to dispute [[Captain Marvel (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Captain Marvel]] scaling above [[Thanos (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Thanos]] using the argument that she only managed to overpower him by absorbing energy from the [[Infinity Gauntlet (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Infinity Gauntlet]]. Jeff Ford, an editor for ''Avengers: Endgame'', has [https://www.cbr.com/endgame-thanos-captain-marvel-moment-rewrite/ explicitly stated] that Carol is too powerful for Thanos to fight, and [[vsforum:threads/114134|nothing]] [[vsforum:threads/162063|indicates]] that Carol was absorbing energy from the Infinity Stones.

 

[KLOL506]

@M3X_2.0 If you can link all the above relevant threads and the article in your draft, I can tag Qawsedf and some other admins to take a look.

 

[LordTracer]

Here's my draft:

Looks good to me.