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MCU Thor and Thanos should be upgraded to 2-B because there are WoG statements that Thanos was the most powerful villain shown in the MCU at that point, hence above 2-B Dormammu, and Thor hurled Stormbreaker, which WoG called the "ultimate weapon", and hence above the Gauntlet, through Thanos' energy beam to impale him, a feat that Infinity War creators called a power feat -- with no WoG statement that Thanos held back, Stormbreaker used hax, nor that Thanos has limited use of the stones.

We also have WoG statements that Stormbreaker, which Thor possesses, opens the Bifrost to transcend people beyond time and physical space to the Low 2-C higher dimension -- not pocket reality -- of the actual cosmic entity literal universe Eternity. The sheer physical size of Thor while standing before Eternity requires large multi-galaxy level 3-B attack potency.

Thor possesses Stormbreaker. Hence Thor gets these feats. Proof below.

(Alleged anti-feats do not negate actual feats. Whatever low end anti-feats Thor may have, he still has these high end feats.)
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The book "The Art of Marvel Studios Avengers Infinity War" says that:



1. Thanos was "the most powerful villain in the entire MCU" shown so far at that point (which scales him above 2-B Dormammu, and makes sense due to Thanos having all six stones instead of just the one stone Doctor Strange used to beat Dormammu)

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2. Combined, the stones "grant their wielder unlimited power"

3. "Unlike their previous owners, Thanos is able to harness the stones' powers on a completely different level" and "They've been misused by people who didn't understand their true power" (which includes Doctor Strange who used the Time Stone to trap multiversal Dormammu -- Dormammu whom Wong described as "a being of infinite power" in Doctor Strange 1, and Malekith who would have destroyed the universe with the Reality Stone which Odin described as "an ancient force of infinite destruction" in Thor 2)

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4. The Infinity Gauntlet is "a device capable of harnessing the gems' power" (no limitation is put on that ability)

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5. "Thor finally obtains the ULTIMATE WEAPON when he gets Stormbreaker" (hence above the Gauntlet, which has unlimited power that makes Thanos above 2-B Dormammu)

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6. Thanos "doesn't spend a lot of energy intentionally trying to murder people unless they're in some way a threat to his agenda" (getting knocked down and blown back several feet, one second after Thanos gained the last Infinity Stone, by a god whose people Thanos just slaughtered, and whom Thanos failed to kill with the Power Stone explosion, is clearly a threat to his agenda.)

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The Infinity War creators call Thor's Stormbreaker attack on Thanos a power feat, and say that he could have killed Thanos.



There is no WoG statement that Thanos held back on Thor with the Gauntlet, no WoG statement that Thanos had limited use of the stones full power, and no WoG statement that Stormbreaker used hax against the Gauntlet.

Eitri making both weapons and knowing how to make a weapon that can beat the Gauntlet does NOT equate to hax, nor that Thanos had limited use of the stones' full power.

Thanos holding back against previous opponents whom he actually overpowered and beat is NOT evidence Thanos held back against Thor, whom he already failed to kill with the Power Stone.

Thanos also changed his facial expression by grimacing while futilely firing against Stormbreaker. That is physical reaction.

So Thanos had time to physically react against Thor, tried to overpower Stormbreaker, and failed, despite having unlimited power superior to Dormammu, whom Wong already stated is a being of infinite power and VSB acknowledges is 2-B.

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The book "The Art of Marvel Studios Thor Love & Thunder" says:



"As Gorr steps through, they all find themselves before the cosmic entity he was seeking: Eternity"

"Eternity, the living embodiment of the universe, was introduced into Marvel Comics as long ago as 1965's Strange Tales #138, from the boundless imagination of Stan Lee and Steve Ditko. In sheer scale, he is the biggest character that Andy Park has translated for the Marvel Cinematic Universe"

"But eventually, Taika went, 'Let's keep it simple and stick with what Eternity looks like in the comics"

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Note that VSB has comic book Hank Pym scaling to low outerverse level ATTACK POTENCY for ascending to Eternity's plane of existence.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hank_Pym_(Marvel_Comics)

Note that VSB has MCU Celestials at multi-galactic attack potency based on sheer physical size.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Celestials_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)

Low 2-C MCU Eternity's VSB profile says it has a "pocket reality"

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Eternity_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)#:~:text=5 References-,Summary,universe, expanding life and creation.

But there is no WoG statement that Thor enters a "pocket reality," instead of standing before the true Eternity itself

The only WoG statements available (which I provide here above) are that L&T showed the actual Eternity, which literally is a universe.

The book "The Art of Marvel Guardians of the Galaxy" says that:

https://www.google.com/books/editio...axy:+The+Art+Of+The+Movie&printsec=frontcover

"Eternity represents all time in the universe, and has unlimited ability to manipulate time, space, matter, energy, or reality."

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The official Disney Plus audio description of this scene says "Gorr approaches a giant seated figure whose body resembles a view of the cosmos."



The cosmos means the universe.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cosmos

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/cosmos

That means Stormbreaker, by summoning the Bifrost, can transcend people to a Low 2-C higher dimension -- not a pocket reality -- beyond the time and physical space of the universe and grow them in physical size to large multi-galactic based on onscreen visuals.

And Thor currently possesses Stormbreaker. Growing to the size shown in the image below is itself sufficient to give Thor 3-B attack potency.


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Again, alleged anti-feats do not negate actual feats. Whatever low end anti-feats Thor may have, he still has these high end feats.
 
Okay so yeah the fact Thanos was called the most powerful villain period, and stated to be able to use the stones beyond what anyone else has at the point of Infinity War, makes this a pretty open and shut case. The only issue is if this is an outlier to be honest.
 
Okay so yeah the fact Thanos was called the most powerful villain period, and stated to be able to use the stones beyond what anyone else has at the point of Infinity War, makes this a pretty open and shut case. The only issue is if this is an outlier to be honest.
As far as outliers, the whole point of going to Eitri was to get a weapon that could kill Thanos regardless of the stones. Thor knew Thanos already had two stones (Power and Space) when he went to Nidavellir. And the WoG book statement of Stormbreaker being "the ultimate weapon" eliminates outlier potential. That is the axe's narrative purpose. To be the best.
 
As far as outliers, the whole point of going to Eitri was to get a weapon that could kill Thanos regardless of the stones. Thor knew Thanos already had two stones (Power and Space) when he went to Nidavellir. And the WoG book statement of Stormbreaker being "the ultimate weapon" eliminates outlier potential. That is the axe's narrative purpose. To be the best.
Wouldn’t this upgrade only count for Stormbreaker not Thor himself ?
 
Wouldn’t this upgrade only count for Stormbreaker not Thor himself ?
The upgrade should count for whoever possesses Stormbreaker: Possession has historically been enough on VSB.

Comic book Mister Fantastic is listed as High 1-A because he has an Ultimate Nullifier.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mister_Fantastic

Comic book Kyle Rayner is listed as 2-C because he has a GL ring.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Green_Lantern_(Kyle_Rayner)_(Post-Crisis)

MCU War Machine is listed as High 6-B because he has armor, which he definitely did not build.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/War_Machine_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)

MCU Thanos is listed as 3-A to 2-C for the stones, which he simply took from people.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thanos_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)
 
The upgrade should count for whoever possesses Stormbreaker: Possession has historically been enough on VSB.

Comic book Mister Fantastic is listed as High 1-A because he has an Ultimate Nullifier.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mister_Fantastic

Comic book Kyle Rayner is listed as 2-C because he has a GL ring.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Green_Lantern_(Kyle_Rayner)_(Post-Crisis)

MCU War Machine is listed as High 6-B because he has armor, which he definitely did not build.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/War_Machine_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)

MCU Thanos is listed as 3-A to 2-C for the stones, which he simply took from people.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thanos_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)
like we literally know Thor doesn’t scale to the axe tho
 
We also know Mister Fantastic's rubbery body doesn't scale to an Ultimate Nullifer, and that Rhodey's human body doesn't scale to Iron Man armor. Same concept.
It’s not 1 is literally a suit of armor that someone wears around their entire body the other is an axe in their hand like Thor actual strength/durability would logically not scale to Stormbreaker since that defeats the point of Stormbreaker
 
It’s not 1 is literally a suit of armor that someone wears around their entire body the other is an axe in their hand like Thor actual strength/durability would logically not scale to Stormbreaker since that defeats the point of Stormbreaker
Same concept applies to Mister Fantastic's Ultimate Nullifer and Thanos with the Gauntlet. They are hand-used weapons. VSB gives the characters the upgrade.
 
Same concept applies to Mister Fantastic's Ultimate Nullifer and Thanos with the Gauntlet. They are hand-used weapons. VSB gives the characters the upgrade.
Hmmm base thanos also logically wouldn’t scale unless he uses the stones to amp himself

But I don’t see how this counts for thor only Stormbreaker was stated to be the ultimate weapon / stronger then the gauntlet
 
Hmmm base thanos also logically wouldn’t scale unless he uses the stones to amp himself

But I don’t see how this counts for thor only Stormbreaker was stated to be the ultimate weapon / stronger then the gauntlet
Actually the full quote here is:

"But some additional costume changes were in order when Thor finally obtains the ultimate weapon. 'When he gets Stormbreaker and becomes fully powered again at the end of the film' "

So WoG is that Stormbreaker empowers Thor, fully.

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"But some additional costume changes were in order when Thor finally obtains the ultimate weapon. 'When he gets Stormbreaker and becomes fully powered again at the end of the film' "

So WoG is that Stormbreaker empowers Thor, fully.
Interesting so at least we can prove IW Thor did get amped by Stormbreaker and didn’t just recover his injury

But the amp obviously isn’t to the level of Stormbreaker itself because again that defeats the point of the axe it makes no sense he would be as strong or stronger then it especially when in endgame he struggled to defeat base thanos even with this supposed amp and the fact that another endgame thanos killed Thor
 
Interesting so at least we can prove IW Thor did get amped by Stormbreaker and didn’t just recover his injury

But the amp obviously isn’t to the level of Stormbreaker itself because again that defeats the point of the axe it makes no sense he would be as strong or stronger then it especially when in endgame he struggled to defeat base thanos even with this supposed amp and the fact that another endgame thanos killed Thor

Serious question. Do you think VSB should downgrade all Green Lanterns because they all wear a ring that highly empowers their otherwise much weaker bodies?
 
Serious question. Do you think VSB should downgrade all Green Lanterns because they all wear a ring that highly empowers their otherwise much weaker bodies?
But how big is the Stormbreaker amp it’s an unquantifiable amp that when combined with awakened mode and mjolnir only allowed him to stalemate a tired and fatigued base thanos who was only using 1 arm meaning the amp wouldn’t be as big as your thinking
 
But how big is the Stormbreaker amp it’s an unquantifiable amp that when combined with awakened mode and mjolnir only allowed him to stalemate a tired and fatigued base thanos who was only using 1 arm meaning the amp wouldn’t be as big as your thinking
None of that changes the fact that Thor did this. Stormbreaker did not act independently of Thor here. Thor threw the axe. Thor pushed the axe. Thor possesses the axe. Thor wields it in battle. This happened. This scene is a feat for Thor. Full stop.

 
None of that changes the fact that Thor did this. Stormbreaker did not act independently of Thor here. Thor threw the axe. Thor pushed the axe. Thor possesses the axe. Thor wields it in battle. This happened. This scene is a feat for Thor. Full stop.
Stormbreaker did that Thor just tossed it why Stormbreaker is what negged the stones

Also doesn’t current Thor use mjolnir now why the kid has Stormbreaker
 
Stormbreaker did that Thor just tossed it why Stormbreaker is what negged the stones

Also doesn’t current Thor use mjolnir now why the kid has Stormbreaker
Tossing an axe at an enemy to impale that enemy is a feat of attack potency for the wielder.

Thor summoned the axe and handed it to Love for one fight. He clearly can take it away from her. Gorr told Thor to protect Love. He's clearly raising the child and teaching her. There is no evidence that Love can keep Stormbreaker from Thor, and no evidence that she even wants to. To imply that Thor does not currently possess Stormbreaker is headcanon.

But I'll leave the rest of this thread to actual VSB deciders.
 
Stormbreaker did that Thor just tossed it why Stormbreaker is what negged the stones

Also doesn’t current Thor use mjolnir now why the kid has Stormbreaker
This isn’t an argument against what Namey is saying. If this CRT is accepted, the most your stance would bring about is “X tier physically, 2-B with Stormbreaker” but since Thor only ever fights with Stormbreaker once he gets it, it makes no functional difference. Give a person a sword or gun and their tier will be 9-C regardless of their physical stats being tier 10. That’s just how it works on the site.
 
We would have to scale the Abilisk to this, as it has greater dura than Thanos. We’d also be scaling Nebula to 2-C, because Thanos stated that she almost killed him. Also Spider-Man characters, as Iron Spider took hits from him.
 
We would have to scale the Abilisk to this, as it has greater dura than Thanos. We’d also be scaling Nebula to 2-C, because Thanos stated that she almost killed him. Also Spider-Man characters, as Iron Spider took hits from him.
Nebula didn’t almost do anything and it would be an outlier as thanos is far to durable for her

Also just because you took a hit from thanos means nothing did you even watch the film? IW thanos was not trying to kill anyone he didn’t have to
 
We would have to scale the Abilisk to this, as it has greater dura than Thanos. We’d also be scaling Nebula to 2-C, because Thanos stated that she almost killed him. Also Spider-Man characters, as Iron Spider took hits from him.
WoG "the most powerful villain in the entire MCU" statement refers to Thanos with the full Gauntlet, because in GotG 1 Ronan with the Power Stone was clearly more powerful than Thanos, based on Ronan with Power Stone challenging Thanos and Thanos logging off in silence.
 
Nebula didn’t almost do anything and it would be an outlier as thanos is far to durable for her

Also just because you took a hit from thanos means nothing did you even watch the film? IW thanos was not trying to kill anyone
He stabbed Tony through the chest, it looked pretty fatal to me.
Seriously though, I was just being sarcastic with that whole thing, because I find the upgrade very incorrect.
WoG "the most powerful villain in the entire MCU" statement refers to Thanos with the full Gauntlet, because in GotG 1 Ronan with the Power Stone was clearly more powerful than Thanos, based on Ronan with Power Stone challenging Thanos and Thanos logging off in silence.
But if you were to scale Stormbreaker to the IG, you would also have to scale Gorr and other characters to 2-C, as the Stormbreaker profile scales it to Thor’s power.
 
He stabbed Tony through the chest, it looked pretty fatal to me.
Seriously though, I was just being sarcastic with that whole thing, because I find the upgrade very incorrect.
Because 1 tony was apart of the exceptions which is stated and 2 he still wasn’t trying to instantly kill him which he very obviously could’ve done considering he had 4 infinity stones and the fact his base stats already scale above

What upgrade if you talking about this crt it doesn’t matter as at the very least Stormbreaker durability should be upgraded since it’s stated numerous times by the Russo bros that it is stronger then the infinity gauntlet

But if you were to scale Stormbreaker to the IG, you would also have to scale Gorr and other characters to 2-C, as the Stormbreaker profile scales it to Thor’s power.
1 no you wouldn’t as just because Stormbreaker is that strong doesn’t mean Thor actually swings that hard with it you do realize the power coming from a weapon still depends on the guy striking with it

And 2 If you wanted to you actually could wank gorr and co that strong because of a wog statement saying they tried to make gorr as big as of a threat as of IG thanos but anyway irrelevant as only Stormbreaker should be upgraded
 
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Even if y’all don’t agree with Thor getting upgraded at the very least Stormbreaker durability scales above the IG and should be upgraded like the fact Stormbreaker is literally the same tier as Thor durability on this site is wack
 
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