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Okay, that works. Whenever you get a chance, could you get the scans and citations justifying it?
I can get it later I guess
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Okay, that works. Whenever you get a chance, could you get the scans and citations justifying it?
please I don't want to watch a CM movie again
Captain Marvel+Gladiator=MCU Captain Marvel?Well to quote the page
For a clear logical basis we know the following:
So in my view her strength is confidence based and she was at her peak confidence with no guilt at the End of Marvels.
- Her strength depends on her self confidence. Which is why she was weaker for the majority of her superhero career
- Her binary form is her accessing her full strength, but this can be switched on or off and it does heavily effect her power
- The stronger she gets the more she glows
- The new movie was her dealing with personal guilt over what she did and it ends with her making up for her mistake. When doing so she does a feat she didn't know was possible for her before
I'll unlock them when I get to a computer
Iplease I don't want to watch a CM movie again
She had the full body shimmering effect without glowing eyes/hair when she fought Thanos, so yes, that does seem to indicate she was at level 5 on that scale.What level was she in endgame 5?
Interesting so if level 6 is star level what would 5 beShe had the full body shimmering effect without glowing eyes/hair when she fought Thanos, so yes, that does seem to indicate she was at level 5 on that scale.
Her sun reigniting feat involved an aura far larger than any previous one she created before, so I guess Low 4-C would probably be treated as something above the original six level scale.Interesting so if level 6 is star level what would 5 be
It is the source of Carol's powers, though Ronan also seemed to consider Carol to be a more impressive weapon than the Tesseract.Wouldn't the space stone scale?
My best try is: [note]@Qawsedf234 I believe you proposed the Varies tier for Captain Marvel, so could you explain what the canonical basis of that is or add the explanation here, so I can then apply it to her profile?
[note] <ref group="Note">Captain Marvel's powers are determinate on both her glow, which is an indication of power, along with her own self confidence in her abilities. Because of this her power is subject to change based on how she views herself. Even during Infinity War and Endgame Captain Marvel was struggling with her role as Kree's Annihilator and didn't have the confidence to face the people she knew on Earth until she dealt with those issues. As such it was determined in this thread that Captain Marvel would warrant a varies rating and her peak level of power is something no one at the times scales to, since she would never have been in a state of total confidence.</ref>
I've unlocked the following:Iron Man's page also needs to be unlocked too
While it's true that she got powers because of tesseract, it was never her power source.It is the source of Carol's powers, though Ronan also seemed to consider Carol to be a more impressive weapon than the Tesseract.
Alright, nice, thank you. I’ve updated the sandbox to include that, and if nobody has any issues with it, I’ll apply this to her page.My best try is: [note]
InterestingAccording to visual effects supervisor Christopher Townsend:
“Trying to find the aesthetic for her superpowers was incredibly difficult. We had lots of discussions about how, when she’s gone full binary, which is when she’s fully powered as it were, it should look. The visual challenge was to try and figure out how to create something that doesn’t look just like fire and doesn’t look just like electricity…that also had a familiarity so that from an audience point of view, you can accept it and not question it, but at the same time is spectacular and amazing.
According to visual effects supervisor Craig Hammack:
"I think my favorite shot has to be the first full binary shot we finaled. We see Captain Marvel stream by in the previous shot as an incredible glow and then she turns around and the glow recedes and she powers down."
According to the official Endgame script (page 131):
CAROL GLOWS BRIGHTER AS SHE GOES BINARY, ROCKETING AGAIN THROUGH THE HULL. BOOM! THE SHIP LISTS, ENGINES EXPLODING. CAROL EYES THE BATTLEFIELD, EXHAUSTED, LIGHT FADING.
I’m confused how anyone is getting star level results for restarting a star that’s so small. Carol is visible in the energy stream she creates as she’s about to hit the star. It’s 6 meters or so. It’s comparable in length to the star’s diameter. The diameter can’t be anymore than 100 meters. Also, what is the reasoning for using our sun’s data to calc this?
Literally have the video of the last part. And it’s blatantly obvious that star is tiny .You like have 0 clue what you're talm about huh
Firstly, even if you were right, they give us an example of the stream's luminosity making it appear far more massive right before she travels to Hala's sun.Carol is visible in the energy stream she creates as she’s about to hit the star. It’s 6 meters or so. It’s comparable in length to the star’s diameter. The diameter can’t be anymore than 100 meters.
I get the feeling you're trying to invalidate Thor's feat as well. In which case, it was a neutron star and designed to be miles wide.The star is smaller than the one in Infinity War, which was already pretty small.
Citation?Also, the Russos said that an explosion any bigger than the one we saw in Endgame would kill everyone.
NopeSo looking at the profiles, no one scales to Carol?
No… the perspectives you show make it look extremely close. It wouldn’t need to be very big to give off brightness at that level.
Her head is still visible. Getting brighter ≠ getting any larger, it’s clearly not.Secondly, it was half-formed, and proceeded to considerably brighten and occlude her entirely. We don't even get an idea of the full size because there's a change in perspective and a big jump cut while it's still brightening.
Less impressive feat on the same small star… yay?Plus, part of the whole plot was that Dar-Benn planned to waste the Earth's sun to reignite Hala's. She took a solar filament in the first ten seconds, continued until the sun massively decreased in luminosity, and then left the process going for a lot longer. Yet, that didn't even come close to reigniting Hala's sun.
The perspectives you’ve shown say otherwise.It's clearly not some ******* mosquito sun that a large nuke could reignite.
I’m not. He did do the feat. But the star is observably small. Every perspective shows this. I don’t even think the size changes the feat regardless.I get the feeling you're trying to invalidate Thor's feat as well. In which case, it was a neutron star and designed to be miles wide.
- THOR: You'll know when we're there. Nidavellir's forge harnesses the power of a blazing neutron star. It's the birth place of my hammer. It's truly awesome.
I’ll get it. I need to find the video again.Citation?
VFX Supervisor - Matt Aiken Discusses Creating the CraterFirstly, even if you were right, they give us an example of the stream's luminosity making it appear far more massive right before she travels to Hala's sun.
Secondly, it was half-formed, and proceeded to considerably brighten and occlude her entirely. We don't even get an idea of the full size because there's a change in perspective and a big jump cut while it's still brightening.
Plus, part of the whole plot was that Dar-Benn planned to waste the Earth's sun to reignite Hala's. She took a solar filament in the first ten seconds, continued until the sun massively decreased in luminosity, and then left the process going for a lot longer. Yet, that didn't even come close to reigniting Hala's sun.
It's clearly not some ******* mosquito sun that a large nuke could reignite.
I get the feeling you're trying to invalidate Thor's feat as well. In which case, it was a neutron star and designed to be miles wide.
- THOR: You'll know when we're there. Nidavellir's forge harnesses the power of a blazing neutron star. It's the birth place of my hammer. It's truly awesome.
Citation?
Firstly, even if you were right, they give us an example of the stream's luminosity making it appear far more massive right before she travels to Hala's sun.
Secondly, it was half-formed, and proceeded to considerably brighten and occlude her entirely. We don't even get an idea of the full size because there's a change in perspective and a big jump cut while it's still brightening.
Plus, part of the whole plot was that Dar-Benn planned to waste the Earth's sun to reignite Hala's. She took a solar filament in the first ten seconds, continued until the sun massively decreased in luminosity, and then left the process going for a lot longer. Yet, that didn't even come close to reigniting Hala's sun.
It's clearly not some ******* mosquito sun that a large nuke could reignite.
I get the feeling you're trying to invalidate Thor's feat as well. In which case, it was a neutron star and designed to be miles wide.
- THOR: You'll know when we're there. Nidavellir's forge harnesses the power of a blazing neutron star. It's the birth place of my hammer. It's truly awesome.
Citation?
Also, the Russos said that an explosion any bigger than the one we saw in Endgame would kill everyone. The most important person that’s used for scaling there is Thor. They’re essentially saying he can’t survive large nukes
Feats in the actual material would prioritized over director statements; going by how physics works, Thor’s Durability must be comparable to his Striking Strength in order for him to withstand his own attacks, so we know he can survive kiloton/megaton explosions.VFX Supervisor - Matt Aiken Discusses Creating the Crater
2:10-2:30. The Russos are the ones who said they can’t survive a much bigger explosion. I can’t remember what level the one in the movie is, but it’s in the kilotons, I think. Something in the megatons seems to be too powerful.
Firstly, why do you think I gave two images, one from space and one from the near (relatively speaking) the ground? It was specifically to account for the perspective of the first image.No… the perspectives you show make it look extremely close. It wouldn’t need to be very big to give off brightness at that level.
In the first 3 panels, yes. That's why I gave more than 3 panels.Her head is still visible.
You ******* see it get larger and brighter. I don't know how you can just look at visual evidence and deny it.Getting brighter ≠ getting any larger, it’s clearly not.
He's including people like Rocket Racoon, Star Lord, Spider-Man and Cap in the first statement. Thor has survived worse, and certainly done worse, than what we see in this video.VFX Supervisor - Matt Aiken Discusses Creating the Crater
2:10-2:30. The Russos are the ones who said they can’t survive a much bigger explosion. I can’t remember what level the one in the movie is, but it’s in the kilotons, I think. Something in the megatons seems to be too powerful.
This is just unimaginable cap. If the movie is telling us to believe something, I'm going to believe it well before I believe whatever goonery you're spouting.And her plan doesn’t mean she’s capable of doing it. It’s just talking
Firstly, those are Kree spaceships. IIRC, we don't even know how durable they are when they're fully operational/shielded in a combat situation.Captain Marvel Power Level - Question 15
I forgot I had a screenshot from this article yearsss ago that discussed captain marvel.The explosions we see are from her destroying the inter workings of the ship, like engines. The only thing we can attribute to her is flying through the ships. It seems to imply she couldn’t destroy the ships without those explosions.
Captain Marvel Power Level - Question 15
I forgot I had a screenshot from this article yearsss ago that discussed captain marvel.The explosions we see are from her destroying the inter workings of the ship, like engines. The only thing we can attribute to her is flying through the ships. It seems to imply she couldn’t destroy the ships without those explosions.
If something this imply that she could have destroyed the entire ship and the VFX team decided that was too "boring" to look at so they went with another option.How did you manage the destruction of Kree ships?
Malcolm Thomas-Gustavee Creature Supervisor // For the destruction, our biggest concern was always balancing how powerful Captain Marvel is with showing the proper scale and complexity of what she’s destroying. If it looked too easy and the ships too flimsy then its not impressive, but if nothing happens then it’s boring. We ended up finding our best results by treating her attacks as something that destroyed the internal working of whatever she hit and then they would subsequently explode. It’s subtle in some shots, but that’s the logic behind her flying through the Accuser like a hot knife through butter and still demolishing it.
Which pages havent be changed yet?No way this guy us still yapping... he's gonna keep derailing with very senseless arguments, let's just keep things on track and finish this up
I'm not seeing any that are still 4-C so I think we're goodWhich pages havent be changed yet?
But should make sure the high 6-A are changed too.I'm not seeing any that are still 4-C so I think we're good
Carol still needs to be changed to a Varies tier, I was hoping to get more input on my draft of that before I applied it to her page.Which pages havent be changed yet?
I think it looks good.Carol still needs to be changed to a Varies tier, I was hoping to get more input on my draft of that before I applied it to her page.