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Chariot190

Chariot190

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  • Bedroombedrock
    Aye wassup baby girl, it's been a while. By the way, what did you think of the recent Alucard vs DIO video Death Battle did? Im not really familiar with the Hellsing Universe so I can't speak on it, but I will say, the AP gap they listed between Alucard and DIO is incredibly sus. Overall though I think I agree with DIO winning. At least they finally got their heads out of their asses and actually properly scaled him and other chars to a MFTL Silver Chariot
    DaReaperMan
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Maybe later, about to go to bed very soon but I'll at least give it a look over or maybe mention some of Kars potential saving graces (though, venom do be kinda op...).

    I'll look it over at least, though just for future reference, not sure how much this matters but that LS shit is "almost" done (******* finally, only took like 3 months), and it's straightforward enough to where I doubt we'd see any controversy, so Kars might be getting a nice hefty LS upgrade sooner or later, if that even helps at all.
    DaReaperMan
    DaReaperMan
    Nice, though I doubt it will, cause they can both pretty easily touch the other to win lol
    KLOL506
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I can maybe help in like, a day or two? Assuming it isn't settled by then. But I'll check it out now at least.

    Though, you'd think Ganon would be a prime example of why that shit is universal.
    KLOL506
    KLOL506
    ABSOLUTELY BASED.

    Also, mind giving a review on my reply to Hellbeast's draft in page 2 here when you get the time? Granted, the draft itself is not complete and there's more we could add but this covers just the bare minimum basics.
    CBslayeR
    I think Jotaro is missing Lifting Strength on his profile straight up
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    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    He is, why, I do not know, given he had one. And not even that long ago, no idea where it went but it was Athletic Human (Could lift Kak casually), At least Class K, possibly Class M with SP (Could hold up a giant tooth, stronger than Tarkus, etc).

    Dont know where it went or why, but it's not a huge deal, the next CRT we doing is LS thus he'll be getting it back soon enough anyway with a **** ton more feats under his belt, hopefully very soon actually.
    Gohanblanco217
    Hey just wanna ask someone told me that MIH from Jorge Joestar can only reset the planet and the entire universe because "the reset only happen to the Earth and it happened 37 times that's why there's 37 Kars on Mars and why Mars and Kars was ultimately unaffected by events of the time acceleration."

    Is this true??
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    Gohanblanco217
    Gohanblanco217
    Kars is stated dozens of times to have been unaffected because he's the ultimate thing, that's it.
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    Eh..... What does that mean exactly?
    Gohanblanco217
    Gohanblanco217
    I also heard that in the novels there aren't just infinite amount of funny Valentines but also infinite amount of D4C meaning in order to kill him you need to kill every valentine across the multiverse.

    Is that true as well?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Yes, kinda, but that leaves out a **** ton of context.

    There is infinite D4C's, but only via technicality, or more like, an exploitable loophole via the Stand Rule.

    Funny, in the novel only has one D4C, no matter how many universes he goes to he will NEVER find another Funny with D4C.

    Funny's grandson also has D4C, (kinda like how Diego inherited Scary Monsters, his grandson inherited D4C).
    No matter how much he looks, he will NEVER find another The with D4C. 9Yes, The, his name is ******* "The").

    But there's a loophole, they'll never find themselves with a D4C, but they CAN find the other with D4C.

    So what they do is Funny goes through universes finding his grandson who has D4C, and The goes through universes finding Funny with D4C.
    So it ends up with a handful of Funny's and The's all with their own D4C.

    It's a weird loophole Stand rule for Novel D4C that they managed exploitation.

    But this doesn't grant them any actual benefits because while there's multiple D4C's, they're technically separate entities and don't have the weird immortality thing going on, or well, they do but it's weird. But no ya don't need to kill every D4C in existence to kill the host of a single Novel D4C (Though if you leave said single D4C alive, he'll always just go body hop to an alternate host ad infinitum).
    KingTempest
    Hey Chariot!

    Sorry to bother you, I know you're extremely busy.

    Just found this


    Jojo 6251 pdf in HD

    Didn't know if you needed it or not
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    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Appreciate it mate though I've known about that for awhile, own a copy myself.

    Though you did remind me so I went through it collecting fate relevant scans (Mostly Tonpetty and Will given it covers Part 1-2, unlike every other guide).
    There's definitely some interesting info in there overall though, notable one includes this scan (second one), and a few other tidbits here and there.

    In case you're interested, it's coming out in english soon too.
    KingTempest
    KingTempest
    Gotcha, nice to know!

    And that's cool to hear btw. Support for his AP rating, though there might be conflicting scans below (which might just be contradicted by the manga, but w/e)

    And if it's coming out in english that'd be dope. Wouldn't have to translate every 5 seconds lol.

    This thread here (Spacebattles) had some translations for Crazy Diamond from a different databook.

    スタープラチナを上回るほどの強大パワーを秘めている
    It hides mighty power exceeding that of Star Platinum.

    パワー&スピードは射程距離に正比例するルール通り、クレイジーダイヤモンドもスタープラチナに迫るスピードをもつ。
    Following the rule that power and speed are proportional to attack range, Crazy Diamond also possesses speed approaching that of Star Platinum.
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    So basically superior in AP but slightly inferior in speed.

    Maybe the "hides mighty power" could be for his enraged state?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I've had some lads take a look at that, we'd probably use that if it wasn't retconned by JoJoveller which states that enraged CD is only coming close to SP and not yet surpasses him. (Actually it's kinda annoying, first guide states they're about equal in power, second guide (JoJoaGoGo) states that while CD isn't as strong as SP he does hide power that surpasses him and then the third guide backpedals and is like nah, he's almost as strong while enraged which boosts him drastically. CD's stance on the tier list keeps getting changed and it's entirely on Araki being wish-washy with it).

    Also that speed line is referring to when CD is right up next to Josuke (Specifically when RHCP asks him to get as close as possible so he could try and punch as fast as SP, which is clarified in JoJoveller a bit more to be CD hits FTL and surpasses RHCP's speed as his speed increases the closer he is to Josuke though only in that circumstances can CD surpass RHCP in speed and blitz him, but the further he strays, the slower he gets to where the opposite happens and RHCP blitzes him instead).

    That applies to all power-types fyi, CD isn't even the main example, The World is, most power types should have statistic amp/reduction based on how close or far they are from the main body (plan on doing a quick crt for that eventually), as the difference in output can be drastic, we're talking dozens of times in some cases for speed and power output (Plus a few others like Whitesnake who's not a power-type but is stated to follow that rule too).
    TauanVictor
    Hi Chariot, how are you?

    Well, I recently performed a matchup involving two characters from JoJo, who just joined Grace. However, I think your opinion would be very much needed, not only because you are well versed in the verse, but it would also be interesting to add something more to the debate.

    Here is the matchup. Could you contribute?

    Thank you very much in advance.
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Sorry was busy and still am. But for what it's worth, while I don't exactly agree with how the conclusion came to be, I do think the end result is accurate, even if for the wrong reasons.
    Shey
    Hey, Question do you have the JoJoVeller scan for GER that says Future actions won’t come to pass
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    It doesn't say that exactly but yeah, i do, I'll post the handful of them on break later.
    Chariot190
    Chariot190


    Well here's King Crimson at least, had that saved, gonna need to wait on GER till I'm home, unless I can find my album of it in the DMs.

    Here. The last bit could be taken as that or part of the RTZ nullification, I'll see if I can get Redgrave to translate it for me accurately.
    Shey
    Shey
    Oksy
    Thanks a lot
    DaReaperMan
    414,373,656 is my FGO friend code.

    My zerkalot is only level 60 so don't expect miracles or anything lol
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    DaReaperMan
    DaReaperMan
    He's one of those 3 stars that's just really damn good, F/SN Cu is another. Though I wonder why you wanted to friend me just because I have Zerkalot...
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Because I felt like adding you. It had nothing to do with Zerkalot, I have him too, I use him and Raikou to do hands.
    DaReaperMan
    DaReaperMan
    Well, I've grabbed Gilgamesh!
    Gohanblanco217
    I heard that GER causality hax only works against actions that can harm Giorno..... Is this true?
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    Gohanblanco217
    Gohanblanco217
    But then why GER didn't negate Diavolo Time erasure right of the bat? Especially when RTZ has infinite speed
    Gohanblanco217
    Gohanblanco217
    There is also someone who told me this in a debate :

    "It is not stated that GER manipulate the cause of and effects . The manipulation of causality is deciding how, when and where it happens, GER's is more limited to manipulating time to a degree of that specific users action to where it never occurred, it's manipulating actions to a smaller degree than what you can consider causality manipulation. We are only told he reverts actions, not him manipulating how, when and where the cause and effect manipulation occurs. What would supplement him having true causality manipulation is him changing his future, when/where and how."
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Because GER couldn't take action? That automatic part had to come into play there.

    Whoever told you that is kind of full of it. Especially because we know he can change his future, JoJoveller outright says that future actions will never come to pass against GER, which is why Epitaph was giving false readings.
    And it most certainly isn't time manip, I mean, the very fact GER RTZ'd King Crimson and time skip literally proves it has **** all to do with time manip, you can't manipulate time when it doesn't exist. Let alone the completely lack of time. This should be obvious tbh.

    Also that isn't even true, you can still have causality manip and only effect cause and effect in a certain way in the same way you can have time manip and not control and have literally every single time based power ever.
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    Kisaragi_Megumi
    Question: Does Act 4 Johnny have a chance against an opponents who are higher than him AP-Wise? (Tier 7 and 6)
    Gohanblanco217
    I heard someone saying that Kira bombs were stated to work on a cellular level Can you send me a scan for where Kira bombs (killer queen) was stated to destroy you on a cellular/molecular level?
    Kisaragi_Megumi
    Hey man, are you alright now after went throught the drama you got? Sorry if this is outta nowhere?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    What? Yeah I'm fine.
    h̶o̶n̶e̶s̶t̶l̶y̶ ̶I̶'̶m̶ ̶s̶u̶r̶p̶r̶i̶s̶e̶d̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶e̶v̶o̶l̶v̶e̶d̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶d̶i̶d̶,̶ ̶n̶e̶v̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶o̶u̶g̶h̶t̶ ̶i̶t̶'̶d̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶ ̶
    But yeah, I'm fine, not much different than how I normally am 🤷‍♂️
    Thanks for asking though.
    Kisaragi_Megumi
    Kisaragi_Megumi
    Good to heard that

    An unexpected consequence, isn't it?

    I'm planned to have session with you but seeing you're fine now made me feels relief, but still i wanted to say: be careful next time
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Tbh didn't even think people thought that word is as bad it allegedly is, comparable to "****" imo, and given I use that even in normal convos...
    But if people feel strongly about that one in particular, obviously gonna have to make note not to use it again.

    Don't know what you mean by "session" but yeah I'm fine, that's over and done with, no real hard feelings for anything involved at that, shit happens, it's done and there's more important things to do.
    BOEGVELD
    I heard you're a knoweldgable JoJo fan, so I thought I'd ask you. But is GE's Age Manipulation accepted to work on humans on this Wiki?
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    BOEGVELD
    BOEGVELD
    Yeah, which guide are they from? And where can I read/look into it?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    JoJoveller, which is one of three guides, and that's the thing, ya don't. It cost me like 150$ to import a copy because nobody has bothered scanning them, let alone translating them. Which is something I'm working on. I sent the GER and King Crimson bios in full to get translated by a mod (redgrave I think?) the other day, King Crimson is done, just needs to be put in a blog. GER is also done, but nothing of value was in it except obligatory "he's strong" "he can set deaths to zero" "ultimate stand" etc. so nothing we dont already know.
    BOEGVELD
    BOEGVELD
    Oh. It sucks that they don't officially translate a lot of manga & anime guidebooks. Thanks though.
    Gohanblanco217
    Why doesn't The Infinite Rotation have 2-A AP? Wasn't it able to hit a force that contains infinite amount of universes?
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    Gohanblanco217
    Gohanblanco217
    Shouldn't this be enough for a possibly/likely High 3-A?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    You'd think but eh.
    Maybe figure that out later, the AP CRT should be very soon, just finishing up the last bit and then writing things out with some help. Honestly hoping to finish the last bit today actually. If all goes well, maybe we could look into at least a likely/possibly if enough info is gathered and a compelling and solid argument can be made that is also legit, hell you reminded that I never actually bothered to check Tusk in the guide, maybe something neat is in there.
    Gohanblanco217
    Gohanblanco217
    Well what about that :





    It clearly say the Ball Breaker (which should scale to the Infinite Rotation) does increase it's rotational energy (Kinetic energy) to infinte if we go by context it's clearly not talking about the ability of IR to follow you forever and it's more like talking about destructive force so this is something that should scale to AP, no ? , it clearly says that the rotation energy would be infinitely increased, so don't know if this is enough evidence
    Gohanblanco217
    Your input would be great
    Gohanblanco217
    Gohanblanco217
    Bump
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I can't really debate in a vs match for the time being, busy with other things. But, if there's anything in particular that needs to be answered, if anyone has any specific questions or things along those lines, I can do that at least. But actively debate? Not right now.
    Zencha9
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Literally working on a verse wide range CRT as we speak. I have it done up to around part 6.

    A good chunk of the profiles are vague in range clarification. A good chunk just list the Stand's manifestation range and calls it day, which is super ******* vague all things considered.
    Zencha9
    Zencha9
    It's just a minor justification change but it's fine if you're worked up
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    It's more along the lines, I'm already covering detailing his range in the CRT, along with the rest of the verse more or less. A few are fine though but like 90% aren't.
    Shit like "Hundreds of Kilometers with Harvest" with zero specification on why, where that's from, is that attack range, what about the user himself, is this only for a specific ability, what's the conditions if so, etc is abundant through the profiles.
    Gohanblanco217
    Are we going to make a profile for Wonder of U?
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    Alphaapexnep00
    Alphaapexnep00
    Ok
    Gohanblanco217
    Gohanblanco217
    Eh Does Josuke new ability ignore durability or something?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    From what I can tell, yeah. I'm going to simplify it, but it's kinda being treated as some sort of mini Cream in function. Basically annihilates whatever it touches and exists and doesn't exist at the same time, can pass through "anything", almost as if deleting the things it passed through.

    Though we're still learning the specifics, hell he can't even use it properly, some of his bubbles just so happen to be of that type and he doesn't quite know how to use them at a whim, he only knows they exist and wants to learn how to use them. He can also fire bubbles like Johnny does with his bullets, as if the callbacks to Part 7 weren't enough.
    Arcker123
    Hey, could you comment here?
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    Arcker123
    Arcker123
    Noted, thanks for the help.

    Edit: Actually, how does BTD work with type 1 acausality?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Type 1? Who knows, it never interacted with that in canon. Though iirc, isnt that time paradox immunity?
    It should be fine, BTD doesn't kill you in the past, it kills you in the present then just rewinds time, and when the time you'd have died normally happens again (after a hour passes given it rewinds time that much), you just explode regardless of if he interacted with you that time because you're now fated to die.

    It has nothing to do with the past, it's actually fate manip and technically killing you in the future. So you'd need to resist fate manip to ignore BTD.
    The novel version works a tad differently but that's off topic.
    Arcker123
    Arcker123
    Thanks for the help.
    Gohanblanco217
    Hi chariot I have a question for you :

    While johnny Joestar first needs to build momentum to achieve golden rotation The principle behind Tusk ACT4 derives from the use of the Golden Spin, which requires Johnny to make his horse run in its "natural state". By doing so, the horse produces rotational energy in the form of the Golden Rectangle and by combining it with Tusk Act 4 so he can create the infinite rotation ability, however is there any way for Johnny do it instantly? (a shortcut for his ability?) or it just takes this long?
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    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Who knows, some time had passed since. All I know is he can manifest Act 4 without a horse.
    If I had to guess, it'd have something to do with the Steel Ball. And it did display an aspect of the IR in this scene with spinning the box (Much like the cart against Valentine).

    it other words he can bring out his stand but it wouldn't have infinite force since he first needs to create it first. No?
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    That's the thing, Act 4 is technically the IR manifested physically, Act 4 shouldn't be able to be manifested without being summoned while in the form of the Infinite Spin.

    Honestly I don't have a answer to this because there is none. But for shortcuts, yes he can instantly activate Act 4 and the IR via the use of a steel ball on his horse kickstarting it, it's what he did against Valentine as his horse was bleeding out and couldn't move itself to generate the natural energy.
    Though I'm making note of the fact he can do so without his horse, how, we don't know, so if you'd prefer to ignore that I suppose that's fine due to it being vague.
    Gohanblanco217
    Gohanblanco217
    Okay thanks, are you gonna make a profile for the novel characters (like novel for example) or it still too early for that ?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I have some drafts done for a handful already. Though not all are from Jorge (There's a few though).
    There's two from Genesis of the Universe, one from GioGio 2 and one from Another Day.
    I could probably honestly post Satanic Coupler now given he has his own feats he can scale off and doesn't need to scale off anything, he's a pretty solid standalone 8-C with supersonic movement and abilities.

    I'm just finishing up Part 1 of the revisions (straightforward, just range changes or clarification on characters and some missing abilities), would have been posted last week if ******** didnt decide to die for the foreseeable future, also spent all of yesterday doing some calcs and recalcs, notably for HG to fall back on.
    GiornoGiovannaF
    heard that there was some big jojo crt thats gonna happen soon, whats it gonna be about iff you can tell me
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    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    But regarding your question, the IR made contact with some leaves upon his death and due to the nature of the energy, it never ceased, the leaves took that energy and became a whole Stand colony with the power of moving things as Johnny used the IR in that moment to transfer and move something from his son over to himself.
    That's an extremely simplified version of what happened but more or less, do with that information as you will.
    Gohanblanco217
    Gohanblanco217
    And can this new stand do? Did it keep it's old abilities? (IR abilities)
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Just the ability Johnny used at the time.
    Gohanblanco217
    Can you tell me where did Rayquaza (Pokémon) got his MFTL+ feat? Like do you have any scan for it?
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    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    They open a wormhole into Ultra Space.
    Ultra Space being a dimension that connects to innumerable alternate universes via warpholes.

    UB's fly through Ultra Space to reach these warpholes, with the warpholes being light-years apart.

    When it says you arrived ____ly from your starting point, it isn't talking about the place you exited into (Which is an alternate reality) but rather the warphole itself.

    "You arrived at a warphole ____ light-years from where you were".
    Is the exact quote.

    Note, it's not saying the place you arrived at is light-years away, but rather the warphole itself you arrived at was light-years away.

    And this scales linearly as well, if you fly for ten seconds and say you enter a wormhole 100ly away, but if you fly for 20 seconds then enter one, it'll say 200ly away. It's scaling the distance flown, hence why it specifies the warphole was that far, not the exit, which tends to be completely different realities (For example, Guzzlords warphole leads into a post apocalyptic future where humanity is long gone and civilization collapsed. You find Guzzlord itself eating at a collapsed building which is the equivalent to the bustling mall near the starting town, albeit destroyed and decayed, in contrast to the main reality.

    Put simply, the UB's just fly through a big ass dimension to reach portals that are light-years apart.

    I'm not sure if I can explain it any better then that from mobile, maybe I can find a player's guide or something that goes into more detail, no promises tho.
    Gohanblanco217
    Gohanblanco217
    Thanks, is there any other impressive speed feats that you you didn't mention yet?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Probably. I know there's sol solar beams and FTL based on that. Some seismic toss bullshit. The Dark Matter beams (MFTL+, was canon but now isn't canon atm), Deoxys as a whole (came from deep space), Elgyem spaceships (came from a different galaxy), Ultra Necrozma lighting up all of Ultra Space (Insane atk speed), Arceus galaxy sized shockwaves, etc.

    Off the top of my head, that's all I can think of that's noteworthy, there's more but I'd have to dig into my pc to see what I got saved.
    Greenshifter
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Didn't we already do this thread like two months ago?
    Greenshifter
    Greenshifter
    Eh pretty sure it was Prof Paradox vs Dio. But it does ring a bell that AX fought Dio before.
    It_is_i_wyatt
    wasn't your 8-A planet waves calc accepted? are you waiting on something to make the crt?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Yes and no, kinda hard to explain here, though there will be a CRT, it's getting real close to done, so there's that. Should be good overall.
    It_is_i_wyatt
    It_is_i_wyatt
    nice
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