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Hate to break it to you but whoever you consulted isn't thinking about the bigger picture.

Im well aware of how metal fears work, ripping a metal pole? 9-B, but can very well enter Class K, if not M.

In the case of Silver, the same applies, 800,000,000 tons of force, it's tier 7 "but the object destroyed wouldn't get-" no, that's because of surface area, the reason why Silver's TK is so ******* high is not because of the steel, though Mpa of steel is pretty high, but because of the area effected, when you combine the area effected with the Mpa, you get cracked LS.

So ok neat cool, but now imagine that 800,000,000 tons applied to a human body, and not a building, the force applied over a specific surface increases, resulting in a far higher pressure, and more energy at that. If you want to argue that he can crush people with 800,000,000 tons of force, that shit is tier 7, full stop. Actually, the only way around it is if you divide the pressure applied onto the machine's area by a human's area, if we assume that it's more of a range thing on Silver's end that's fine, you just divide the machine by whatever else he's effecting to get the force applied onto that object. But the moment you go and say he can apply that force onto whatever the ****, regardless of size, you're gonna enter tier 7.

Besides, you know you get joules from force as long as you know the distance it's applied over, 800m over 1m is 1.8 kilotons, for example, it increases and decreases accordingly with distance (and time frame but you're not gonna be able to get that from a comic without assuming shit).

Also why is the value doubled anyway, he did it with one doesn't really work for mind powers, he gestured with one hand, it's not literally done with his fist.

Ignore typos or whatever, on mobile.

Edit: Also whoever told you it wouldn't get high results, did they actually check? Taking your found area, and eyeballing the cave in, (in a vain similar to the Talon calc) and using your Mpa value gets ridiculous yields.

It's doubled because we came to the consensus that Silver while telekinetic/psychokinetic, channels the telekinetic abilities through his hands as he's consistently shown to use hands to do anything telekinetic related. It's also been shown that when a threat is serious, Silver uses two hands instead of 1 in order to strengthen his psychokinetic powers (Such as when he created a barrier to save them from being killed). We went over it in a recent CRT.

If this can be calc'd into AP, could you make a blog calculating it? I think it would be interesting since we could definitely upgrade several people in the verse with this feat if what you say is true.

That's fair, gotcha.

And can I? Yeah, you've actually done most of the work already, pretty sure all that's left is getting the depth of the cave in but given your work done thus far, that's simple.

Ill take a look at it in a bit, though some rough numbering right now already gets some insane shit, using your 400mpa value anyway.

Thanks! I wasn't 100% sure how to do it myself. This should be interesting, and if the calc gets accepted, I'll definitely make a CRT regarding it. Should give us a nice upgrade (Assuming it scales to the Durability of characters who have shown to tank it).

Fyi, flat out destruction of the machine is nearly 3kt.

Sounds good. Can't wait for an upgrade.

Ok so an issue, you might not be looking at an upgrade, you used the ultimate tensile strength of steel, which is different then the yield strength of steel, yield strength is used for when a metal gets deformed beyond the point of return, aka, permanent deformation, while tensile strength is used for for when the steel gets torn apart.

Yield is for bending, dents and whatever, tensile is for complete breakage, unless Silver actually broke it into pieces? But the scan shows him crushing it, so you use yield, this might halve the result.

Doesn't yield strength have a value on the calculation page? I can't remember what, but I believe one of the destruction values on the page uses yield strength.

It might, but the value you used, and even linked to in that article, claims it's the ultimate tensile strength.

Ah, thanks for telling me. Just realized I can actually upgrade the feat further because of this. I'll have to edit the blog.

The opposite actually, tensile strength is the higher one, the thing you use when something is torn to bits. Silver crushes it, permanent deformation, the value for that is a bit lower. It'd actually decrease the yield, unless he crushes it to bits? In which case yeah that's fine but I don't have the scans to the comic and the scan linked on the blog only shows crush.