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Ultima_Reality

Ultima_Reality

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  • DarkVoid
    Sorry to bother you, but I have a question: What is the Tier of the Inaccessible cardinals and Berkeley cardinals under the new system?
    Elyartaker
    Hello!
    Sorry for bothering, I know you are busy right now.
    But wanted to ask will there be QnA thread about the changes or we can just ask them here?
    since I have a lot of questions not just from myself, but many others that can't speak English hahaha kinda representing them
    Thanks
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    Elyartaker
    Elyartaker
    oh I see thanks so I might bother you again haha sorry.



    First of all about quantity, can inaccessible amount of baseline outerversal reach high outerversal? or would it still be baseline outerversal since it is still the same quality?

    I was thinking to myself about EMR (extended model realism) and apophatic theology. Can these reach above low outerversal?
    I don't know about the former but the latter might have solid arguments for Tier 0.

    Well it's clear mathematical differences are low outerversal at best.
    so how about math differences in higher qualities? is it possible to have math on a higher quality? For example a character 7 layers into outerversal that scales to inaccessible cardinal on that level of quality (which should be superior to even Mahlo or absolute Infinity of someone 6 layers into outerversal)
    in short, higher quality of math ON that level of quality.
    or are these nonsense and can't be applied?

    we know BDE can reach baseline outerversal, so I assume we can have higher levels of BDE thus higher levels of quality yeah?

    other than BDE, what other hax or existence type can reach outerversal? NEP? also being above dimensionality should be baseline yeah? How about being above concept of dimensionality?

    Finally about nonduality and transduality and plurality or just overall duality since it's confusing for me, how high can it scale? Like can being above it be Tier 0? (this one from a nasuverse fan, mostly for ryougi shiki, asking if anyone or being can reach tier 0 in nasuverse)

    I'm so sorry for asking this much and it's okay if you decide to answer them later.
    Thanks
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    First of all about quantity, can inaccessible amount of baseline outerversal reach high outerversal? or would it still be baseline outerversal since it is still the same quality?

    It would remain baseline, yeah.

    I was thinking to myself about EMR (extended model realism) and apophatic theology. Can these reach above low outerversal?
    I don't know about the former but the latter might have solid arguments for Tier 0.

    Extended Modal Realism is High 1-A+. Though if you take it fully seriously, it's probably not tierable. Not any more than, say, trivialism is.

    As for Apophatic Theology: It's already built into Tier 0, since Tier 0 by necessity entails being so transcendent that you are totally incommensurate with any concept or ontological feature whatsoever, insofar as those exist in a framework of differences, divisions, inequalities, etc. The end result of this is:

    1) Any language applied to it is, at best, analogical in nature. Since our intellection is used to apprehend things that are "such-and-such" and exist inside a system of divisions and differences and whatnot. It doesn't really translate fully when you move beyond this system and into a thing beyond divisions entirely.

    2) It can only be defined in terms of itself. There cannot be a numerical multitude of Tier 0s, and much less can there be something above a Tier 0. So, combined with the above (They're mutually causing in a sense, even), there's no prior, more fundamental thing which you can define a Tier 0 being in relation to. In that vein, it's like, the ultimate primitive notion, pretty much.

    So, yeah, it basically is a form of apophaticism. It just doesn't necessarily enter into the more radical forms of it, where you can't even refer to the thing at all, and every statement about it is an equivocation, and yada yada. Not every form of apophatic theology boils down to that. It's a linguistic method, first and foremost, and the actual concept that it was developed to make sense of is more important. Though usage of apophaticism, of course, generally points to said concept.

    so how about math differences in higher qualities? is it possible to have math on a higher quality? For example a character 7 layers into outerversal that scales to inaccessible cardinal on that level of quality (which should be superior to even Mahlo or absolute Infinity of someone 6 layers into outerversal)
    in short, higher quality of math ON that level of quality.

    Yeah, that can happen.

    we know BDE can reach baseline outerversal, so I assume we can have higher levels of BDE thus higher levels of quality yeah?

    Yeah.

    other than BDE, what other hax or existence type can reach outerversal? NEP?

    I suppose you can describe NEP in a way that nets you 1-A. But that goes for a lot of things, so, not exactly a very meaningful statement.

    also being above dimensionality should be baseline yeah? How about being above concept of dimensionality?

    Depends on how elaborate the statement is. Being described as "above dimensions" even in the correct sense can be Low 1-A, too.

    Finally about nonduality and transduality and plurality or just overall duality since it's confusing for me, how high can it scale? Like can being above it be Tier 0? (this one from a nasuverse fan, mostly for ryougi shiki, asking if anyone or being can reach tier 0 in nasuverse)

    The Root seems very much Tier 0 to me, for what's worth.

    As for the question: Transduality as we currently define it is honestly god-awful. I don't think the power is even inherently quantifiable going by the current treatment of it.
    Elyartaker
    Elyartaker
    Thank you so much
    Everything12
    Hey Ultima, I've got something I want clarifying. How knowledgeable are you on Hilbert Spaces?
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Depends entirely on the content of the actual question. Shoot.
    Everything12
    Everything12
    So am I wrong in thinking that the "infinite dimensions" of Hilbert Space are not Tierable dimensions but instead more properties an objects possesses; including things like velocity, spin, etc. With Hilbert Space not actually being a theoretical physical space but instead a purely mathematical concept, as usable in cosmology scaling as a graph on a piece of paper.

    Speaking of course entirely based on the real life theory and not any additional spin that depends on a specific writers interpretations.
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    I mean, generally speaking, infinite-dimensional hilbert spaces are going to be just mathematical models. They're really just convenient tools to do algebra with; so, in quantum mechanics you'll always see a system of x-many possible states being modelled as a space of x-many dimensions, each state of it corresponding to a vector in that space.

    But they can be actual things, too. I think Max Tegmark, for example, has described a Type III Multiverse as being one where timelines indeed are embedded inside an actual infinite-dimensional space. Those cases are where my knowledge of the topic mostly ceases, though.
    Arianninc
    Ultima can you give input on this?

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    Jibaku Shounen - CRT

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    And

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    Jibaku Shounen - CRT#2

    This thread will discuss or upgrade the abilities possessed by the characters in this fiction, a continuation of Thread 2-A that I made yesterday. 4th Mystery 4th Mystery is placed by Shijima Mei from the Art Room; she is someone assigned to draw something, and the drawing she creates will...
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    Excellence616
    Need your input here please

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    Marvel Comics: Hell-Lords Lifting Strength Upgrade

    In this thread, Hell-Lord were accepted as Higher Dimensional beings within their realms and Hell Lords share[11] a level of existence[12] with their realms[13], with netherworlds being pan-dimensional realities[14] infinitely transcendent of the universe[15] and Hell-Lords when not in Hell...
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    Astral_Trinity439
    Hello, Ultima. I have a question regarding this post of yours, which was used to counter a comment of mine

    Da question : If there are different Space-time continuums with different flows of time and unsynchronized time axes, and than there's a Space those 4D space-times [that is not insignificant], that Space itself would be 4D, than if lets say that 4D space is the spatiality of a higher space-time that contains the prior mentioned Space-times, with the higher space-time having its own Time axis, would that higher space-time be 5D, or still 4D?

    Regards.
    RigelBR7
    Salve Ultima, eu sou aquele rigelbr7 do servidor da dbw. Por quê tem me bloqueou? Poderia me responder só umas duas dúvidas que tenho?
    Yuhady123
    Hello Ultima, do you think Uatu High 1-A is justified? although the word multiverse can be used for Low 1-A universe, There's still an arguments can be made which I can present, Hope you can help.
    LuffyRuffy46307
    If you have some time, could you take a look?
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    Dragon Ball Conceptual Manipulation End Closing

    Nothing about the scans proves that time/space is conceptual in general, Daishinkhan could get Type 3 for creating space and time in the WoV though, pending the validity of the statements about it lacking the concepts. That just sounds like pocket reality creation. Also, I’m sure there are...
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    TheGenghistKhan
    Furudo_Erika
    I read the sandbox for the new tiering system and read High 1-A+ is "on the scale of the highest forms of Modal realism and Type IV Multiverses, corresponding to the space of all logically possible worlds ("Logical space")."

    But what about EMR? Which is an extended version of MR that includes all logically possible worlds, as well as all impossible worlds, and High 1-A+ only ever mentions logical worlds; not illogical ones.

    Is EMR "above" High 1-A+ then, if it is "greater" than MR?
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    Ultima_Reality
    Extended Modal Realism is pretty problematic because it's basically just fancy trivialism in its acceptance of all contradictory things as corresponding to "valid" states-of-affairs. I wouldn't tier it at all, myself, at least not in its full glory. If you water it down a bit it's probably just also High 1-A+, though.
    Furudo_Erika
    Furudo_Erika
    So, would it be an "Unknown" tier?
    Or High 1-A+?

    Or "At least High 1-A+"? As even watered down, EMR should still "embed" MR (possible worlds) in it, alongside the impossible worlds.
    Excellence616
    Your answer will be appreciated

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    Tiering System Question

    What qualifies as a higher dimensional bulk space in the context of the Low 2-C definition on the tiering system page? Like say you have this all encompassing “astral sea” and within it are these spheres that represent entire universes. Presupposing they aren’t compactified, would this “astral...
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    Animus-sama
    Hello sir, I heard you are interested in Rick and Morty.

    Would you look at these

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    Rick Sanchez (C-137) & Evil Morty upgrade part 1

    Introduction Greetings, first of all, the reason why I opened this profile was a little delayed because there were a lot of errors in the profiles and no one noticed and I was too lazy, but when I found out that we have a few administrators who are interested in Rick and Morty, I thought they...
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    Rick sanchez biggest upgrade for hax

    Greetings, my purpose for opening this revision is an event that no one has probably noticed, but that suddenly caught my eye. There is no reason why Rick shouldn't have NEP 3 to NEP 3 negation, and there is a reason why he should have type 5 of NEP avatars. I even think he has acausality 4 or...
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    Gendolfgg1
    Hi. Could you rate the Harry Potter updates that are listed? Thanks

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    The Great upgrade a level of wizards

    Partially bypassed, and as we have discussed before, I think this is probably (mostly) unique to this curse, as we don't see any other spells with the same effect. I don't think this spell is designed for Hax, because after Harry was hit by a spell under a protective counter spell, he felt the...
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    Lloydblitzed
    Hey Ultima, could you check out this CRT?
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    Simplest Ninjago Upgrades in the Universe

    So, I'd go straight to the point cuz this CRT is simple: Here are sum simple stuff that should be added/upgraded on sum Ninjago pages, cuz they really need it Ice Emperor An Ice Emperor key should be added to Zane, and he should scale to 4-C using his fight with Lloyd via: Physically harming...
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    Yuhady123
    In marvel cosmology, the outside is a place where its the complete absence of time,space or being. Does this grant someone who came from the outside like Black Winter have ACA 4?
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    Eseseso
    Eseseso
    The Outside transcends the multiverse, so he absolutely gets Aca 4.

    Even universal abstracts have that, nevermind a multiversal being like the Black Winter.
    TyphonEX
    I have a quick question on dimensionality: is it possible for multiple, universe-sized 4D spacetime continuums to be contained by a larger, 4D spacetime continuum? Sort of like 3D bubbles inside a 3D ocean, I suppose.
    Jagiastaga
    Hi ultima,i wanna ask Something.
    YHVH(smt) is State to be Omnipotent,Like YHVH in the Abrahamic religion,so..If we using the revision version of tieirng system,Will YHVH reach Boundless?,or The axiom Will be the One that reach Boundless?
    Astral_Trinity439
    This thread involves BDE, and I was wondering if you, a BDE specialist, could give input here!
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    NEP2 and possibly more for Rimuru Tempest [WN TenSura]

    Hello there, this will be my first thread related to TenSura directly on this wiki, so let's start. First of all, the definition of NEP2: Idealistic Nonexistence: The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence. In terms of binary, this would be something that...
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    Of course, if you're free that is, and it would be much appreciated! Thanks!
    Astral_Trinity439
    This thread involves BDE, and I was wondering if you, a BDE specialist, could give input here!
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    NEP2 and possibly more for Rimuru Tempest [WN TenSura]

    Hello there, this will be my first thread related to TenSura directly on this wiki, so let's start. First of all, the definition of NEP2: Idealistic Nonexistence: The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence. In terms of binary, this would be something that...
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    MarkGoldbridge
    Hello there! Could you take a look at this thread? Other staff is kinda neutral so a solid vote would be nice.
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    The Walking Dead TV Show P&A Additions + Small Change In The Scaling Chain

    Summary Just a few things that caught my eye while I was rewatching the show. All Characters Resistance to Disease Manipulation (Characters in the show are all infected with the Wildfire virus but none of them turn until death. Dr. Edwin Jenner told this thing to Rick privately and later on in...
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    Hi Ultima,

    Do you think it's possible for Lucifer to have Acausality type 5? It was he had escaped from an all-encompassing plan and the resulting dualities, the cause-effect relationship and his own function. He had completely escaped from what Yahweh had imposed on him, yet he still holds all the cards, do you think that's an obstacle to that?
    Hirotoswnn1x
    Please allow me. I want you to check out this upgrade. I would like you to give your opinion on whether it should be possible or not.

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    Jean grey base form upgrade

    Hello everyone, I have some suggestions regarding the jean gray base form profile. I think it's very laggy with no upgrades. Today I've compiled all of her scans that show off her greatest strength. You should have a total of 3 new keys as changes for 2019 - 2023. She attacks Nightmare...
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    Excellence616
    Your Input 🙏 🙏


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    Ability Addition For Banner/Hulk and Gamma Mutates

    For Banner Extrasensory Perception: Bruce Banner Can See Astral Projections | The Incredible Hulk #82 (Banner has the same ability. Here he is seeing the astral projection of a sorceres who was murdered and Bruce/Hulk are helping her find her killer) For Hulk After the acceptance of The Nature...
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