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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

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I honestly wouldn't mind SCP not being on the wiki but for completely unrelated reasons
 
Everyone trying to get their characters and verses high into Tiers 2, 1, and 0, meanwhile there's me who will commit warcrimes to keep my Tier 4 verse from being wanked into Tier 1 by smoothbrains offsite

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IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
That's not automatically a disqualifier.
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It disqualified animations vs animator for the very same reason. Keep in mind, references to other verses does not disqualify the verse but if it directly uses those characters in the form of an unofficial crossover, we can wipe it off from the face of the wiki.
 
Greatsage13th said:
It disqualified animations vs animator for the very same reason.
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I said "it's not automatically a disqualifier." I'm sick and tired of explaining over and over again why SCP doesn't violate our fanfic rules.
 
I usually don’t like to chat about tiers in threads like this one, but I’m super curious what the elder scrolls is going to look like after this.
 
IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
I said "it's not automatically a disqualifier." I'm sick and tired of explaining over and over again why SCP doesn't violate our fanfic rules.
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This was never explained before my guy.

Also, something along the lines of that is a very serious violation. Where even something as minor as using a very minor asset from steam filmmaker workshop is enough to ban the verse altogether.
 
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Greatsage13th said:
This was never explained before my guy.

Also, something along the lines of that is a very serious violation. Where even something as minor as using a very minor asset from steam filmmaker workshop is enough to ban the verse altogether.
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Sigh
@Sir_Ovens @Saikou_The_Lewd_King Could you help me here? I'm tired.
 
Lol why @ them over a minor conversation like that?

If he thinks that he can make a thread, otherwise it's not worth making a staff and retired staff debate.

Though, personally, I think SCP should be removed as well. Whether you want to admit it or not, I think the verse's extended canon and material has become littered with powerscaling. I mean, even those QnAs you provide seem very focused on it, which makes me believe it's a huge part of the community even more.

I've also read some of the extended canon stories and a lot of them are laughable with how on the nose they are in powerscaling the characters. INCLUDING those we currently use for scaling on profiles. Particularly SCP-682's stuff.


If you disagree, that's fine. I'm not going to take action against SCP or anything.
 
Phoenks said:
Lol why @ them over a minor conversation like that?

If he thinks that he can make a thread, otherwise it's not worth making a staff and retired staff debate.
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I'm trying to quash common misconceptions here that cause trouble, which I'd say is perfectly worthy of involving staff. The "SCP is fanfiction" argument has already been refuted a bunch of times, often in threads not even about SCP because people engage in whataboutism over it when their verses are in danger of being rejected due to potential fanfiction in them:
  1. https://vsbattles.com/threads/make-scp-great-again-call-to-action.33918/
  2. https://vsbattles.com/threads/scp-should-not-be-allowed-on-this-site.39421/
  3. https://vsbattles.com/threads/the-thread-everyone-wanted-deleting-scp.139470/
  4. https://vsbattles.com/threads/world-of-darkness-cosmology-1-5-tm-inc-llc-cr.146488/post-5428298
  5. https://vsbattles.com/threads/pacheco-cara-floja-deletion.150882/
  6. https://vsbattles.com/threads/dragon-talisman-high-1a-and-0-upgrade.149707/
  7. https://vsbattles.com/threads/fully-embedding-wikidot-backrooms-into-vs-battles-wiki.153997/
Phoenks said:
Though, personally, I think SCP should be removed as well. Whether you want to admit it or not, I think the verse's extended canon and material has become littered with powerscaling. I mean, even those QnAs you provide seem very focused on it, which makes me believe it's a huge part of the community even more.

I've also read some of the extended canon stories and a lot of them are laughable with how on the nose they are in powerscaling the characters. INCLUDING those we currently use for scaling on profiles. Particularly SCP-682's stuff.
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There is no direct evidence for this at all. The only place where they've even recognized that powerscaling is a thing is in the most recent FAQ they've given, and there, it was meant to directly dissuade people from asking them about such things.
 
BasedNecoScaler69 said:
I know one thing. proving nasuverse dimensions have r>f layers is gonna be a war
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On the other hand, if Realm X is stated to be a higher-dimensional space and is described in ways analogous to a Reality-Fiction Transcendence, while otherwise behaving exactly as a higher-dimensional space would be expected to (E.g. The difference between it and the lower realms is demonstrated as a physical one), then it would be tiered as a quantitative superiority.
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mf prob gonna try and argue that 8-D moon cell = 5 layers into outer
BasedNecoScaler69 said:
the moon cell covers this just fine
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And no it doesn't really since it's an analogy and not literally seeing the lower reality as if it was unreal but instead past present and future are all displayed in front of the person like it was a book and seeing lower dimension as if it was "a flat scroll".
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
Anyone else feel like tier 1 is getting more difficult to obtain?
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It’s not just you. I feel like any “higher plane beyond space-time” could grant you tier 1 with a few extra statements before, but now there’s a lot of stipulations about an uncountably infinite gap, to the point where even viewing space-time as specks or something akin won’t cut it for supporting evidence.
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
mf prob gonna try and argue that 8-D moon cell = 5 layers into outer

And no it doesn't really since it's an analogy and not literally seeing the lower reality as if it was unreal but instead past present and future are all displayed in front of the person like it was a book and seeing lower dimension as if it was "a flat scroll".
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the moon cell records them as simulations.
 
1-A is definitely easier to obtain.

High 1-A, it depends what Ultima defines the exact gap between 1-A and High 1-A as. If a series has to actually depict and explain a "meta" quality, then it will be harder. If it can just be the same as how 1-A and High 1A are right now, then it will be equally hard to obtain.

0 will be impossible ASF.
 
ProfectusInfinity said:
It’s not just you. I feel like any “higher plane beyond space-time” could grant you tier 1 with a few extra statements before, but now there’s a lot of stipulations about an uncountably infinite gap, to the point where even viewing space-time as specks or something akin won’t cut it for supporting evidence.
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It almost feels like its getting to a point of absolutely nothing can get you tier 1 anymore aside from RFD.

Unless, a series straight up states an uncountably infinity without using it fot any hyperbolic reasons.

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Like almost every single method used in the past to get 5D at the minimum is now obsolete

Infinite multiverses/uncountably infinite universes? Nah no longer works

Using sizes of universes (specks, stars, galaxies, atoms, etc)? Nah no longer works

Being infinitely larger than the multiverse? Nah no longer works (though I always found this one a bit odd and disagreed with it being a 5D thingy)

Physically being the Gao between worlds? Nope, won't work.

Hypertimeline logic? That's like trying to pull a healthy tooth out and requires a novel to prove and get passed.

Calling something or someone 5th dimensional and then saying their "infinitely beyond the multiverse?" Nah by current standards that wouldn't even work.

Like..... is there actually any legitimate way to get 5D anymore? Without using RFD?
 
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TheUnshakableOne said:
It almost feels like its getting to a point of absolutely nothing can get you tier 1 anymore aside from RFD.

Unless, a series straight up states an uncountably infinity without using it fot any hyperbolic reasons.

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Like almost every single method used in the past to get 5D at the minimum is now obsolete

Infinite multiverses/uncountably infinite universes? Nah no longer works

Using sizes of universes (specks, stars, galaxies, atoms, etc)? Nah no longer works

Being infinitely larger than the multiverse? Nah no longer works (though I always found this one a bit odd and disagreed with it being a 5D thingy)

Physically being the Gao between worlds? Nope, won't work.

Hypertimeline logic? That's like trying to pull a healthy tooth out and requires a novel to prove and get passed.

Calling something or someone 5th dimensional and then saying their "infinitely beyond the multiverse?" Nah by current standards that wouldn't even work.

Like..... is there actually any legitimate way to get 5D anymore? Without using RFD?
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I am pretty sure the bolded will still work.

Dimensional scaling still exists. Its just that qualitive superiority won't work any more. But quantitative superiority will.
 
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