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It was agreed upon in the DB general that a new thread should be made once the hyper-timeline shit is done, which it now is. @ProfectusInfinity made the original thread here , ive just decide to revise it a lil bit, as the old one relied too heavily on DT and ultimas comments, which made an otherwise logically sound argument hard to follow. Fluff is good, but its exactly that, fluff.
This is answered on the tiering system faq:
Picture space and time as a series of frames in a movie, all lined up in a row. Each frame captures a snapshot of the cosmos at a particular moment, frozen in time. And that line that extends infinitely? That's time, encompassing everything from the past to the present to the future.
Time is a continuum, a never-ending flow that can't be measured in distinct chunks. It's not just that time contains infinite seconds, days, and years; it also holds every possible infinitesimal value in between. That's why a timeline is like an uncountable number of snapshots of the 3D universe, each one corresponding to a unique moment in time.
But here's where things get really mind-bending: time can be infinitely subdivided into the tiniest of moments, each one capturing a distinct snapshot of the universe. And when you add up all those moments, you get a scope that's beyond human comprehension. That's why destroying the fabric of space-time is a feat that's infinitely greater than destroying matter on a universal scale. It's like erasing an entire universe, over and over and over again, for every single moment of its existence.
Imagine a universe where time is not just a linear progression, but a multi-dimensional concept. This means that instead of just moving forward along a singular timeline, there are multiple timelines that exist alongside each other. In such a universe, the concept of space-time becomes even more complex, as each timeline has its own unique set of coordinates in a three-dimensional space.
But what happens when we introduce an overarching timeline that spans across all these different timelines? How does this affect the nature of space-time and our understanding of the universe as we know it?
One possibility is that this overarching timeline dislocates space-time over an uncountably infinite number of moments. Essentially, this means that we end up with an infinite number of snapshots of 4-dimensional space, each corresponding to a different moment in time.
In this scenario, we end up with a continuum that encompasses two temporal dimensions, resulting in snapshots that correspond to an entire 4-dimensional space-time. This continuum would then propagate a standard timeline through continuous change in an additional time direction.
However, it's worth noting that an overarching timeline doesn't always qualify for Low 1-C status. It's possible to model a cosmology where an overarching timeline is simply a larger hypervolume rather than a greater infinity. This is because what determines spatiotemporal separation is the capacity for space-times to exist in parallel and never intersect in space and time. Therefore, multiple space-time continuums can be serviced by a single time axis, without introducing new time dimensions. The model we've described takes advantage of this fact, assuming that a single time axis services all of space-time.
To establish a cosmology as Low 1-C, it's crucial to demonstrate the presence of two temporal dimensions. This requires evidence indicating that each of the smaller space-times has its own unique time dimension. Without such evidence, it's impossible to prove the existence of an overarching timeline that would qualify a cosmology as Low 1-C.
However, such evidence was already accepted. And an overarching timeline does exist.
The 12 Universes also already have their own time dimension.
Technically speaking, our cosmology has been approved for Low 1-C. This means that we now have the same justifications as the hypertimelines that have already been accepted. In other words, the DB cosmology has been given the green light for Low 1-C. The purpose of this thread is to make Tier 1 official.
However, there still are issues.
The question of whether destroying a 5-dimensional object would be a Low 1-C feat depends on the relationship between higher-dimensional and lower-dimensional spaces in cosmology. If an uncountable number of 4-dimensional spacetimes are stacked up to form a small subset of a 5-dimensional universe, destroying the latter would be a Low 1-C feat. However, destroying a random 5-dimensional object with finite mass would not be.
Temporal dimensions are different because they always form a structure that embeds an uncountable number of states of a universe's spatial volume within itself. We already consider time dimensions to be significant in size, which is why the 4th dimension of a Low 2-C construct is considered to hold qualitative superiority even if we know nothing about the time dimension besides that it forms a continuum. This is because time is infinite by default and bijects with a dimensional space to form an uncountable number of elements.
Agree: 6 (@LordGriffin1000 ,@Planck69) @Qawsedf234 @Firestorm808 @EliminatorVenom @Elizhaa
Neutral:
Disagree:
Let the war begin.
How do temporal dimensions impact dimensional tiering?
This is answered on the tiering system faq:
Picture space and time as a series of frames in a movie, all lined up in a row. Each frame captures a snapshot of the cosmos at a particular moment, frozen in time. And that line that extends infinitely? That's time, encompassing everything from the past to the present to the future.
Time is a continuum, a never-ending flow that can't be measured in distinct chunks. It's not just that time contains infinite seconds, days, and years; it also holds every possible infinitesimal value in between. That's why a timeline is like an uncountable number of snapshots of the 3D universe, each one corresponding to a unique moment in time.
But here's where things get really mind-bending: time can be infinitely subdivided into the tiniest of moments, each one capturing a distinct snapshot of the universe. And when you add up all those moments, you get a scope that's beyond human comprehension. That's why destroying the fabric of space-time is a feat that's infinitely greater than destroying matter on a universal scale. It's like erasing an entire universe, over and over and over again, for every single moment of its existence.
Imagine a universe where time is not just a linear progression, but a multi-dimensional concept. This means that instead of just moving forward along a singular timeline, there are multiple timelines that exist alongside each other. In such a universe, the concept of space-time becomes even more complex, as each timeline has its own unique set of coordinates in a three-dimensional space.
But what happens when we introduce an overarching timeline that spans across all these different timelines? How does this affect the nature of space-time and our understanding of the universe as we know it?
One possibility is that this overarching timeline dislocates space-time over an uncountably infinite number of moments. Essentially, this means that we end up with an infinite number of snapshots of 4-dimensional space, each corresponding to a different moment in time.
In this scenario, we end up with a continuum that encompasses two temporal dimensions, resulting in snapshots that correspond to an entire 4-dimensional space-time. This continuum would then propagate a standard timeline through continuous change in an additional time direction.
However, it's worth noting that an overarching timeline doesn't always qualify for Low 1-C status. It's possible to model a cosmology where an overarching timeline is simply a larger hypervolume rather than a greater infinity. This is because what determines spatiotemporal separation is the capacity for space-times to exist in parallel and never intersect in space and time. Therefore, multiple space-time continuums can be serviced by a single time axis, without introducing new time dimensions. The model we've described takes advantage of this fact, assuming that a single time axis services all of space-time.
To establish a cosmology as Low 1-C, it's crucial to demonstrate the presence of two temporal dimensions. This requires evidence indicating that each of the smaller space-times has its own unique time dimension. Without such evidence, it's impossible to prove the existence of an overarching timeline that would qualify a cosmology as Low 1-C.
However, such evidence was already accepted. And an overarching timeline does exist.
The 12 Universes also already have their own time dimension.
Technically speaking, our cosmology has been approved for Low 1-C. This means that we now have the same justifications as the hypertimelines that have already been accepted. In other words, the DB cosmology has been given the green light for Low 1-C. The purpose of this thread is to make Tier 1 official.
However, there still are issues.
In a higher time dimension, time needs to flow in a different direction like backwards or diagonally.
Lmao,no. As of the thread linked, that is no longer the case. Just the existence of a higher time dimension/hypertimeline is enough. Any argument made about time moving in the same direction here would be dishonest, and should immediately be disregarded.Higher dimensions still need to be of significant size.
The question of whether destroying a 5-dimensional object would be a Low 1-C feat depends on the relationship between higher-dimensional and lower-dimensional spaces in cosmology. If an uncountable number of 4-dimensional spacetimes are stacked up to form a small subset of a 5-dimensional universe, destroying the latter would be a Low 1-C feat. However, destroying a random 5-dimensional object with finite mass would not be.
Temporal dimensions are different because they always form a structure that embeds an uncountable number of states of a universe's spatial volume within itself. We already consider time dimensions to be significant in size, which is why the 4th dimension of a Low 2-C construct is considered to hold qualitative superiority even if we know nothing about the time dimension besides that it forms a continuum. This is because time is infinite by default and bijects with a dimensional space to form an uncountable number of elements.
Conclusion
The Dragon Ball multiverse is made up of 12 Macrocosms, each of which is 2-C. These Macrocosms are encompassed by a greater timeline, which was previously rejected for Low 1-C status because cosmologies don't necessarily require multiple temporal dimensions. However, the Dragon Ball space-times are now accepted as having their own time dimensions, which makes the overarching timeline Low 1-C qualified.Agree: 6 (@LordGriffin1000 ,@Planck69) @Qawsedf234 @Firestorm808 @EliminatorVenom @Elizhaa
Neutral:
Disagree:
Let the war begin.
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