Tier High 6-A The Battle of the Beast Tournament (2023): Yami Ichika vs Heatblast (Omni-Enhanced)

[Arkenis]

What about her gravity manip? Says she can use it on others and she did it to Asta who’s got class P, to Heatblast’s class G he gets pulled in. Even with his rel flight speed it wouldn’t help if coming near her he just gets pulled in.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Does Ichika's katana have heat resistance? If it doesn't does her Zetten also increase speed by 24x like Asta's or just an unknown increase?

Speak of the devil.

I just went over this with clover.

Based on our current scaling, it will only boost attack speed and varies with multiple attacks up to 20-24x with a single attack (20x was accepted btw)

Let me explain how it works btw. Ichika and a few members of the Ryuzen 7 use Zetten with one strike. However they can decide to share it among several strikes. (For example, if one attack is 20x then 2 attacks are 10x and 5 attacks are 4x). I picked Ichika because she often uses one attack per Zetten and she spams Zetten against those inferior to her.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Does Ichika's katana have heat resistance? If it doesn't does her Zetten also increase speed by 24x like Asta's or just an unknown increase?
Also, Kachon did have some problems with HB's temperature the other thread, are the 6000 Kelvin or Supernova things officialy accepted?

She basically coats it in magic saying yoryoku each time is hard like mana skin which mages can utilize to withstand the heat of the yultim volcano (if that's it's name) that can instantly ignite humans that step into the magic region. Then cue the scaling chain based off of other mages and heat that can bypass weaker mages mana skin and it should have enough depending on how hot Heatblast's fire is

 

[Epiccheev]

Speak of the devil.

I just went over this with clover.

Based on our current scaling, it will only boost attack speed and varies with multiple attacks up to 20-24x with a single attack (20x was accepted btw)

Let me explain how it works btw. Ichika and a few members of the Ryuzen 7 use Zetten with one strike. However they can decide to share it among several strikes. (For example, if one attack is 20x then 2 attacks are 10x and 5 attacks are 4x). I picked Ichika because she often uses one attack per Zetten and she spams Zetten against those inferior to her.

So, 24x both speed and AP, right? Because it it increases speed too it might be able to pass through HB fast enough to ignore most heat transfer. Add that to Yorykruorku (wich seems to be the same as magic, but japanese and her blade can likely resist passing through him.

Just not sure how effective a lower AP slash will be against HB's lava physiology. Does her gravity manip scale to her Zetten AP too?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

She basically coats it in magic saying yoryoku each time is hard like mana skin which mages can utilize to withstand the heat of the yultim volcano (if that's it's name) that can instantly ignite humans that step into the magic region. Then cue the scaling chain based off of other mages and heat that can bypass weaker mages mana skin and it should have enough depending on how hot Heatblast's fire is

Yeah and Vetto can tank lightning mid air. Tanking the heat mid air and not grounded grants the full heat of lightning which is 5x hotter than the surface of the sun.

So… Ichika is way way way way way way way way way way way way superior to Vetto. So Heatblast needs to be as hot as that basically.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

So, 24x both speed and AP, right? Because it it increases speed too it might be able to pass through HB fast enough to ignore most heat transfer. Add that to Yorykruorku (wich seems to be the same as magic, but japanese and her blade can likely resist passing through him.

These are interesting point on the heat transfer. I’m definitely using that in the future. But I think she’s good considering she coats her sword with dark magic and she’s way above those capable of taking full heat of lightning (which is only possible mid air and not grounded)

Just not sure how effective a lower AP slash will be against HB's lava physiology. Does her gravity manip scale to her Zetten AP too?

She can just chip away at him anyway at least with Zetten she’s at least close enough to Heatblast hurt him. And with her insane skills. She’ll be good.

she can use yojutsu (magic spells) with Zetten like she did against the dragon, so yeah actually gravity manipulation does scale to Zetten however our scaling doesn’t scale magic boosts to lifting strength (yet? ) so idk. I doubt it.

 

[Epiccheev]

I guess unless we assume HB's really supernova temperatures (wich is most likely hyperbole) Ichika can take this.

 

[CloverDragon03]

however our scaling doesn’t scale magic boosts to lifting strength (yet? ) so idk. I doubt it.

Remove the yet before I break your ankles

 

[RandomGuy2345]

What Clover finna do to Arnold:

 

[DemonicDude]

Flight speed calc scales to all Jetpack alien users.

 

[DemonicDude]

What about her gravity manip? Says she can use it on others and she did it to Asta who’s got class P, to Heatblast’s class G he gets pulled in. Even with his rel flight speed it wouldn’t help if coming near her he just gets pulled in.

By the way Heatblast has all the OMNITRIX abilities and resistances.
That are mentioned on Ben's Profile page he has Supernatural Willpower.

• Stayed awake for 24 hours. To him justice never sleeps, and he saved the day numerous times, dubbing this as Ben 24.
• Defeated Vilgax and the Weatherheads at the same time.
• Defeated Alien V.
• Ben was not hypnotized from Zombobo's hypno machine.
• Broke free from the illusion world of Zombozo by concentrating enough.
• Resisted King Koil's Hypnosis.
• Defeated High Override and overcame his mind control (Who was amplified by the entire Fulmini army who came to invade Earth from their planet Fulmas yet Ben withstood an entire amplified attack from High Override who absorbed his army for power boost yet Ben defeated him by forcing his way through)

 

[Reiner04]

I guess unless we assume HB's really supernova temperatures (wich is most likely hyperbole) Ichika can take this.

I doubt a consistent statement in the series is hyperbole coming from reliable character but anyway.

After reading the whole thread, I'd go with incon.

 

[Tatsumi504]

I doubt a consistent statement in the series is hyperbole coming from reliable character but anyway.

After reading the whole thread, I'd go with incon.

What's the consistent heat statement?

 

[Reiner04]

What's the consistent heat statement?

Stated by gwen 2 times that HB can go supernova hot but the arguement against it poor execution via visuals and calc stuff.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Stated by gwen 2 times that HB can go supernova hot but the arguement against it poor execution via visuals and calc stuff.

As someone who refuses to watch this kid show of a reboot, the only supernova statement i recall is from the OG series where ben got turned into a child. Was that literal?

 

[Reiner04]

As someone who refuses to watch this kid show of a reboot, the only supernova statement i recall is from the OG series where ben got turned into a child. Was that literal?

2 times. Considering second time gwen actually told him to go supernova hot, should be.

 

[Noneless21]

So, since HB can go supernova and Ichika probably can't do anything against it, plus a good chance it may survive the first strike and just go play range game and go supernova anyway. But Ichika is more skilled and able to blitz, it's gonna be harr for HB to attack her without the AOE like the supernova

All in all, incon fra

 

[Tatsumi504]

2 times. Considering second time gwen actually told him to go supernova hot, should be.

Unfortunately arguments against the statements can easily be made like gwen and the rest not getting vapourized, hell, there wasn't even any signs lava/melted rock after he vapourised the fountain of youth

 

[Reiner04]

Unfortunately arguments against the statements can easily be made like gwen and the rest not getting vapourized, hell, there wasn't even any signs lava/melted rock after he vapourised the fountain of youth

Stated by gwen 2 times that HB can go supernova hot but the arguement against it poor execution via visuals and calc stuff.

Yeah, but considering that gwen is so set on that heatblast can go supernova hot and said it twice, it could be simply that he didn't go supernova hot while was in child form (weaker) but can go if he wants in his adult form or whatever.

 

[DemonicDude]

As someone who refuses to watch this kid show of a reboot, the only supernova statement i recall is from the OG series where ben got turned into a child. Was that literal?

Reboot and Classic aliens are same

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I don’t see why she doesn’t just Zetten this dude, over and over again while she evades every hit and uses Dark Star to suck him in.

 

[DemonicDude]

I don’t see why she doesn’t just Zetten this dude, over and over again while she evades every hit and uses Dark Star to suck him in.

How much is the potency value of her heat resistance ?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

How much is the potency value of her heat resistance ?

Scales far above Salamander, who’s claws can dry out an entire sea.

 

[DemonicDude]

Scales far above Salamander, who’s claws can dry out an entire sea.

Interesting,
Heatblast himself can generate Magma and has Electro + Fire Breath with decent AOE
(Plus he's dominant in arial combat with Omni-Directional blast from clips abve)

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Mana Skin allows even the average Magic Knights to run across the Yultim Volcano, a Grand Magic Region which can reduce a human into ashes, too, and that’s inferior to her base Armor.

 

[DemonicDude]

I guess that matches....Heatblast species lives on a burning hot Star tho and he's been in a volcano before (This is just base form)

 

[Reiner04]

I don’t see why she doesn’t just Zetten this dude, over and over again while she evades every hit and uses Dark Star to suck him in.

It seems that it took her considerable time in doing zetten.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Reboot and Classic aliens are same

I'm not questioning if the OG series statement should be applied here, I'm questioning if the statement should be taken literally

 

[Tatsumi504]

I guess that matches....Heatblast species lives on a burning hot Star tho and he's been in a volcano before (This is just base form)

Volcanoes don't instantly cremate or vaporize humans. The yultim volcano in BC can

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

This argument relies on a multiplier that's not even accepted yet, and she'd still be 4.5x weaker...

I don't buy this at all, Heatblast still stomps

I will only participate in the match when the Zetten revisions are done, Ichika can´t win without Zetten

You ruined her life Arnold, again

 

[Reiner04]

I'm not question if the OG series statement should be applied here, I'm questioning if the statement should be taken literally

I mean, a "supernova" is not really a word used as an hyperbole in any condition. Given that Gwen said she already knew that ben can go supernova hot and on second time just straight up told ben to go supernova hot. It really begs a doubt if the statement is not literal. And gwen is far better than giving a precise value of heat and temp stuff than us.

 

[Epsilon_R]

For heat resistance,

Ichika should be comparable to Mana Skin users like Luck, who had to use resist the ambient heat of the Volcano (which can reducea mage to ashes). Luck without Mana Skin no sold a cloud to ground Lightning strike for several seconds.

Mana Skin users can also tank Salamander's heat, stated to be able to dry an ocean (not just the sea) in an attack

 

[Epiccheev]

I mean, a "supernova" is not really a word used as an hyperbole in any condition. Given that Gwen said she already knew that ben can go supernova hot and on second time just straight up told ben to go supernova hot. It really begs a doubt if the statement is not literal. And gwen is far better than giving a precise value of heat and temp stuff than us.

Probably should make a CRT to add it to his fire manipulation justification

 

[Epsilon_R]

Now I'm gonna be real, unless HB is a ******* vegetable, I don’t see Ichika not get hit even a single time

Moreover, Ichika needs a Full Powered Zetten strike to even do anything to him, I could see her land about 5 to 10 of those at best, and let's not forget that her reserves are not endless either

 

[Arnoldstone18]

2 times. Considering second time gwen actually told him to go supernova hot, should be.

Um…

This isn’t the reboot.

 

[Arkenis]

I don’t see Ichika not get hit even a single time

I don't see Ichika really getting hit either, her gravity hax lets her move irregularly, allows her to move hb away.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

I don’t see why she doesn’t just Zetten this dude, over and over again while she evades every hit and uses Dark Star to suck him in.

Exactly.
She’s far more skilled at fighting, dodging and evading.
She’s literally has precognition.
She can literally use black star to avoid getting hit at all.

Anyone claiming that she gets hit is just arbitrarily claiming she does cuz “Heatblast should” with no reason.

Edit:
God dammit @Epsilon_R

 

[Epiccheev]

gravity hax does give her the ability to control the battle, such as stopping HB in his tracks or interrupting attacks. If he can do that AOE supernova heat thing here his chances are a lot better tho, but that needs a CRT

 

[Reiner04]

Um…

This isn’t the reboot.

Back off before I bring my friend @Greenshifter scaling and start arguing Low 2C heatblast.

Exactly.
She’s far more skilled at fighting, dodging and evading.
She’s literally has precognition.
She can literally use black star to avoid getting hit at all.

Anyone claiming that she gets hit is just arbitrarily claiming she does without a reason.

Edit:
God dammit @Epsilon_R

Omnitrix has hand to hand combat application pre installed which works as arsenal, so every alien who can fight will be comparable or greater than war Lord vilgax in hand to hand combat.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

gravity hax does give her the ability to control the battle, such as stopping HB in his tracks or interrupting attacks. If he can do that AOE supernova heat thing here his chances are a lot better tho, but that needs a CRT

I really thought there was a reboot version. Even if Ben can do it, it’s going to be soooooooooooo out of character for him to do so considering he probably had a shit ton of opportunities to do it in the reboot and the fact that it’s barely a move he considers in the original series too since he only does it once or twice?