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Tier High 6-A The Battle of the Beast Tournament (2023): Tatsumaki vs Yami Ichika

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The Black Crescent vs Terrible Tornado

SEMI FINAL -2


Yami heads into the Semi Final as the sole Black Clover character left in the tourney against the undefeated Tatsumaki ! The finale spot is on the line folks
Arnoldstone vs Noneless21
Rules:
  • All mentioned in the official Tournament thread
  • Speed: Equalized speed in all matches
  • Distance: 40 meters apart from each other
  • Win: Win via killing or Incap (No BFR allowed)
  • Knowledge: Random encounters no prior knowledge to anybody
  • Location: All matches will take place in the a Cyberpunk themed Arena size 25km squared wide with a Dom covering it. (Location picture below)

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Combatants:
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VS
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Result
Characters:Attack Potency:Votes:
Tatsumaki:3 oneshots above 5.68 Exatons6 (Kachon, Commander, That_moron, Random, Lynieryz, Dragonite007)
Yami Ichika:628.8 petatons, 12.58 exatons with Zetten18 (Arnoldstone, CloverDragon, Chosen, Popted2, CIC_SHARK, Epsilon_R, Nierre, Taun, Kazuma, Edutyn, 45saef, Superstar, Dareaperman, LordGin, Maxeez, DD, Epiccheev, Adem)
Inconclusive:
 
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Following.

Btw Tatsumaki scales 3 oneshots above 5.68 Exatons

Charging Gaia Cannon=5.68 Exatons<Orochi AP (Firing it)<<<<<Saitama casually destroying it and turning Orochi into goo<<Orochi thinking that after transforming into Psykorochi he had enough power to kill Saitama<<<<Tatsumaki one shotting Psykorochi once she could focus on the fight
 
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Ichika's is possibly Class P. Why is PDU Asta> Lucifero?
Base Ichika is possibly Class P
However, we're using BW Ichika here, who's full on Class P

PDU could physically block and deviate strikes from Lucius, who gained 100% Lucifero's strength. So he's at least superior to the 50% Lucifero who stopped Asta's sword while restraining himself

There's also the fact that Asta's PDU is likely stronger than even the TDU showcased during his battle against Lucifero, which could pretty easily overpower him
 
PDU= Partial devil union

TDU= True devil union

True devil union is the final form, but Partial is stronger than the final form because Asta trains and training means you are stronger than even your final form from
the past

BW is the form ichika use, Black Musha

Lucifero is an acronym from "Light Us Cigarrets Infamous For Existing Rip Onigashima"
 
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I'm voting for Tatsumaki.

Ichika may have slightly higher LS that Tatsumaki, but given how many times Tatsumaki scales over her class P value, I don't think it's a stretch that it would be extremely difficult for Ichika to break out of her TK restrictions.

The only issue here for Tatsumaki would be Ki and Zettten, with the latter probably being able to be stopped by Tatsumaki's TK.

Ki is very much an issue, but in Ichika's profile, it seems that she uses it more defensively and to find openings, but the issue is that Tatsumaki has no openings. She has a passive aura that scales 2 one shots values above her 5 exaton value, and she can still attack while using it and her barriers (which scale above said passive aura.)

Tatsumaki only needs one good hit to take out Ichika, which she can do by trapping her in a barrier, reversing the effects to deal internal damage, and crushing her until she dies.

Tatsumaki wins mid diff.
 
If Tatsumaki finds Ichika speed problematic she should be able to reduce the battlefield size with a barrier and start to thrash everything around her with psychic tornados that, assuming the objects in the battlefield are immune to friction, she could spin around her up to Relativistic+ speeds.
 
Ichika may have slightly higher LS that Tatsumaki, but given how many times Tatsumaki scales over her class P value, I don't think it's a stretch that it would be extremely difficult for Ichika to break out of her TK restrictions.

Did you not read the thread? Ichika scales well above her LS value too so your point is moot. Ichika is not going to struggle at all.

The only issue here for Tatsumaki would be Ki and Zettten, with the latter probably being able to be stopped by Tatsumaki's TK.

Bypassed via Ichika's LS advantage and she gets blitzed.

Ki is very much an issue, but in Ichika's profile, it seems that she uses it more defensively and to find openings, but the issue is that Tatsumaki has no openings. She has a passive aura that scales 2 one shots values above her 5 exaton value, and she can still attack while using it and her barriers (which scale above said passive aura.)

She uses Ki to perform Zetten and to use her Precog.

The finding openings is her fighting style; she definitely isn't defensive about it. Zetten bypasses the aura regardless since it's at a clear advantage irrespective of the few one-shots Tatsumaki is above the 5 exaton value.

Tatsumaki's defenses just gets eventually bypassed.

I'm not going to vote, but you do need flight to break out of TK, not just superior LS.

No problem for ichika with black star which she incorporates into her martial arts.





Ichika naturally goes for the head or neck areas, especially with her sword strikes, so given her <2.2x AP advantage with Zetten + slashing damage, it will only take a few hits for Ichika to win. Tatsumaki isn't resisting black star's pull as well which is the thing she actually uses to create openings. Zetten attacks also blitzes her.

So I vote Ichika.
 
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Everyone keep in mind that just because one scales over a value via one shot doesn't mean that they one shot their opponent's crossverse. The way one shotting works is different across all fiction. So Tatsumaki just scales higher into her value but won't trump Ichika here. (also in the vsthread rules here)

Same applies to LS although both characters scale a lot over their LS values so Ichika remains superior.
 
Dude, Ichika's advantage isn't that wide. It's a significant gap I know, but let's not act like she won't have any trouble to bypass it

And having higher LS mean she won't be pinned down by the TK but doesn't mean you cannot be TK'd to the sky
 
Dude, Ichika's advantage isn't that wide. It's a significant gap I know, but let's not act like she won't have any trouble to bypass it

I never said she won't have any trouble. It will only slow Ichika down a bit but she still blitzes. The advantage simply allows ichika to overcome.

And having higher TK mean she won't be pinned down but doesn't mean you cannot be TK'd to the sky

This is contradictory...

edit actually what does this even mean...
 
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Did you not read the thread? Ichika scales well above her LS value too so your point is moot. Ichika is not going to struggle at all.
A 1.3x gap isn' enough to "not struggle at all." Stop wanking.
Bypassed via Ichika's LS advantage
The 1.3x LS advantage? Stop wanking.
She uses Ki to perform Zetten and to use her Precog.
Precog means nothing when she can't deal substantial damage to her with it. Stop wanking.
Tatsumaki's defenses just gets eventually bypassed.
Proof? Stop wanking.
 
I never said she won't have any trouble. It will only slow Ichika down a bit but she still blitzes. The advantage simply allows ichika to overcome.



This is contradictory...

edit actually what does this even mean...
The reason being pinned can be countered with higher lifting strength is because the opponent can apply enough force to still stand and move despite the pressure trying to pin them down

(Ex: Yami resisting Dante's Gravity before using Black Moon in ch245)

However the opposite, being lifted up despite having a better LS, can still happen as Ichika herself doesn't weight 16 petatons.

(Ex: You trying to lift a 60kg Bodybuilder, he lifts more than you but you can still lift him)

You can apply force on the ground to counter being pinned to the ground, but in the air you have nowhere to apply force to get back down. That's why you need Flight or air walk to do that
 
The reason being pinned can be countered with higher lifting strength is because the opponent can apply enough force to still stand and move despite the pressure trying to pin them down

(Ex: Yami resisting Dante's Gravity before using Black Moon in ch245)

However the opposite, being lifted up despite having a better LS, can still happen as Ichika herself doesn't weight 16 petatons.

(Ex: You trying to lift a 60kg Bodybuilder, he lifts more than you but you can still lift him)

You can apply force on the ground to counter being pinned to the ground, but in the air you have nowhere to apply force to get back down. That's why you need Flight or air walk to do that


Yeah… We already went over this on discord. I even responses to @SuperStar as well in the same post you replied initially.

Ichika uses Black Star to fly therefore she resists via that.
 
1.3x gap isn' enough to "not struggle at all." Stop wanking.

She’s only going to be slowed down, I said she won’t struggle because she still has an advantage. However if you define “struggle” as literally any level of resistance then sure she “struggles”.


The 1.3x LS advantage?

Yeah as well as the speed advantage with Zetten. Tatsumaki can only slow it down but it’s still going to be too fast.

Can you stop with the “stop wanking” you’re the one who implied Tatsumaki at a disadvantage will completely TK stop her attack with that scan,


Precog means nothing when she can't deal substantial damage to her with it. Stop wanking.

I corrected you on what she uses Ki for and your response is… “it means nothing…stop wanking…”

sigh…

Proof? Stop wanking.

LS and Speed Advantage with Zetten.
 
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