Reinhard Van Astrea vs Pre demon lord Rimuru

[PhantomØ4]

Oh, then no reason he would blitz then. He’s only like 4 times faster than Rimuru and coming from 2 km away. That’s like a car at 70 km/h coming straight at you… but from 2 km away.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Oh, then no reason he would blitz then. He’s only like 4 times faster than Rimuru and coming from 2 km away. That’s like a car at 70 km/h coming straight at you… but from 2 km away.

yeah thats why i dont think this is a blitzstomp in the first place

 

[Fezzih_007]

Does Rimuru have a calc to his speed?

 

[Catpija]

Does Rimuru have a calc to his speed?

for the MHS+ one? none. The feat was calculated to be supersonic, just waiting for a CRT to be created.

 

[Zabazab]

yeah thats why i dont think this is a blitzstomp in the first place

Yeah if Reinhard approaches then Rimuru would ofc be able to percieve him, but if he decides to attack from kms away with matter nuke due to intuition, then the attack would cross the distance at FTL speed.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Yeah if Reinhard approaches then Rimuru would ofc be able to percieve him, but if he decides to attack from kms away with matter nuke due to intuition, then the attack would cross the distance at FTL speed.

Reinhard is baseline FTL Though so its not that big of a difference due to Rimuru being relavistic+

 

[Peak]

let's equalize the speed, it seems this is an inconsistency as no one knows how Reinhard would start in this circumstance

Although I'm not sure how Rimuru would lose with equalized speed

 

[Zabazab]

Reinhard is baseline FTL Though so its not that big of a difference due to Rimuru being relavistic+

Is PDL Rimuru not MHS+?

 

[CodeCCLL]

Reinhard is baseline FTL Though so its not that big of a difference due to Rimuru being relavistic+

Slime Rimuru :
Reaction/Combat speed only Mhs.
Attack speed Mhs+ with Black Lightning.
Attack Speed Sol with Megiddo.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Demon Slime Rimuru's Relavistic+ calculation scales to about 5/100 of the speed of light.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Ok so, Reinhard does really stomp with unequal speed.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Alright then i will equalize speed
Does that change reinhards wincon though?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Alright then i will equalize speed
Does that change reinhards wincon though?

No, but now Rimuru can answer with absorption i guess.

But Slime Supports can say more.

 

[DeusExMachine001]

Rimuru's first move is always is Information Analysis and As much as I can see Reinhardts Resistance against it is not not the same level as Rimuru's Information Analysis


Reinhardts Information Analysis Resistance

• Information Analysis (Theresia's ability to intuitively grasp her opponents most vulnerable point, had no effect on Wilhelm[3] who is far inferior to Reinhard)

Rimuru 's

(Can analyze and assesses[1] his targets. Great Sage will give warnings and strategy to Rimuru based on the analysis. If the target is something that's beyond measurement, Great Sage can still give a partial or lowest estimate of the analysis result)

While rimuru can analyze his enemies powers which resides in the Nucleic Heart which is Covered by Sould , Astral Body , Spiritual Body , Material Body and Info [ Type 2 ] , [ Which give him Unconventional Resistance Against Power Null , Analysis, Mimicry , Modification ] and His Sword has a Resistance against Information Analysis while

And Rimuru can easily shot down every ability that reinhard have in on glance

• Power Nullification (After completely analyzing his opponents with one look, Rimuru can neutralize their abilities. Can manipulate other's magic with Control Magic),

And the last one is Analytical Prediction

• Analytical Prediction (Could predict an Orc’s movements through experience and also with Great Sage's computations),

Extraordinary Genius Intellect and with superior intellect it wouldn't be wrong to assume that everything that rimuru would do after all of this basically would show him the way of victory

And Rimuru can basically hide his aura via Mask or Lower it if he asks to Great Sage so you dont need to Equalize the speed reinhard wont have any reason to start with the Matter Maniplation after all rimuru could just shut down Reinhard Abilities and kill him via Dark Thunder or Aura.

Alright then i will equalize speed
Does that change reinhards wincon though?

 

[Zabazab]

Rimuru's first move is always is Information Analysis and As much as I can see Reinhardts Resistance against it is not not the same level as Rimuru's Information Analysis

I pretty much agree- Reinhard's info analysis resistance is mostly achieved through inhuman skill that makes the less-skilled Theresia unable to read his flaws (because he lacks any flaws in combat), and since Rimuru's is radically different in nature it should work.

And Rimuru can easily shot down every ability that reinhard have in on glance

Reinhard resists power nullification (both Beatrice's minor curse nullification and more significantly her E.M.T which totally negates all mana/magic techniques/abilities), so his abilities should only drop by 20%, but I am interested in this ability- does it just function as a universal anti-hax ability or is it more specific?

Reinhard himself also posseses a (slightly unconventional) form of power nullification: due to his physical biology, Reinhard acts as a beacon for mana/magical energy and it follows him blindly, rendering any magic or mana-based techniques useless if he is fighting.

And the last one is Analytical Prediction

Hm, Reinhard should resist analytical prediction scaling to Wilhelm's feat, unfortunate for him that it's not in the profiles.

And Rimuru can basically hide his aura via Mask or Lower it if he asks to Great Sage so you dont need to Equalize the speed reinhard wont have any reason to start with the Matter Maniplation after all rimuru could just shut down Reinhard Abilities and kill him via Dark Thunder or Aura.

I'm still not sure if that would let him avoid Reinhard, his intuition is even capable of detecting invisible surprise-attacks that are cut of from space-time and so exist on a different plane of existence. His First Sight, Second Sight, and Innitiative Blessings also fill in any potential blind-spots.

Blessing of Lightning means he cannot be struck by lightning, and 80% of lightning damage would be absorbed, but I think aura would probably put Reinhard out of commission.

 

[DeusExMachine001]

Reinhard resists power nullification (both Beatrice's minor curse nullification and more significantly her E.M.T which totally negates all mana/magic techniques/abilities), so his abilities should only drop by 20%, but I am interested in this ability- does it just function as a universal anti-hax ability or is it more specific?

Reinhard himself also posseses a (slightly unconventional) form of power nullification: due to his physical biology, Reinhard acts as a beacon for mana/magical energy and it follows him blindly, rendering any magic or mana-based techniques useless if he is fighting.

Rimuru's Power Nullification works on people who have Unconventional Power Null resistance and normal Resistance because when he Analyze his enemy he straight has a way to reach his abilities.

And I cant see Any Unconventional or Normal Resistance in his profile and as much as I know there is only small amount of character in the verse that had a Power Nullification and those are only works in magic. Rimuru's Power Null works on skills which inscribed to Soul [ Info type 2 ]

Extraordinary Genius Intellect

If Reinhard cant stop rimuru from analyzing him he practically doesn't stand a chance

this wiki ignores Intelligence staff too much

Hm, Reinhard should resist analytical prediction scaling to Wilhelm's feat, unfortunate for him that it's not in the profiles.

It's just Reinhard is superior to Wilhelm ,it's not resitance analytical Prediction, Its just Reinhard is In anathor realm when it comes to sword play.

I'm still not sure if that would let him avoid Reinhard, his intuition is even capable of detecting invisible surprise-attacks that are cut of from space-time and so exist on a different plane of existence. His First Sight, Second Sight, and Innitiative Blessings also fill in any potential blind-spots.

Is it on Info Type 2 because all of Rimuru's abilities are Resides in Nucleic Heart and Nucleic Heart is basically Abstract.

In his second key he have AE1 because of Raphael which with out body can still fight or utilize its powers, and Raphael is a skill that resides in Soul
[ Nucleic Heart ]

Extraordinary Genius Intellect

Like I said If there is any wincon , it practically goes to rimuru because of his superior Intelligence.

He can always run away if he thinks reinhard is too powerful , he can always spam spatial motion after all his perception speed should be Relativistic+ so he should be able to run.

But he doesn't need to because of Information Analysis.

 

[Zabazab]

And I cant see Any Unconventional or Normal Resistance in his profile and as much as I know there is only small amount of character in the verse that had a Power Nullification and those are only works in magic.

It seems Reinhard's resistences are being listed in the potential abilities section for some reason, but he does indeed have resistence (not that it seems like it should matter now).

If Rimuru can just turn off any ability Reinhard has then I don't think any wincons are actually possible, especially under equalised speed. Matter hax was his only way to kill Rimuru at all, so if that cannot work then he literally cannot win.

 

[DeusExMachine001]

It seems Reinhard's resistences are being listed in the potential abilities section for some reason, but he does indeed have resistence (not that it seems like it should matter now).

I found it

• Power Nullification (No curses, debuffs, or buffs can affect him, thus resists this ability from Beatrice)

I remember there was a CRT about this but you guys need to add a scan for this one ( because this is some serious Hax ) and this is not a Resistance.

 

[Zabazab]

Eh, that's as easy as just linking his Blessing of Darkness Immunity & Blessing of Magic Resistence along with Beatrice's profile that is already linked, but I don't see how it's not a resistence?

 

[DeusExMachine001]

Eh, that's as easy as just linking his Blessing of Darkness Immunity & Blessing of Magic Resistence along with Beatrice's profile that is already linked, but I don't see how it's not a resistence?

I dont know who did that but it seems like somebody forgat to put Resistance in front of it and didnt put any scans either way it's not going to work Rimuru's Power Null based on Information and works on skills.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Well, Reinhard don't exactly have feats for him doing It, but supposely he can resist this abilities from Beatrice.

E・M・M: An "absolute defense magic". Beatrice uses Yin Magic to interfere with the time and space around Subaru, and while he can't move during activation, he experiences no interference from outside the barrier. It is similar to the Authority of Greed but doesn't have the same risk, and can be used until mana runs out.

E・M・T: An "absolute negation magic". A spherical field several ten meters long with Subaru and Beatrice at the center is created which negates effects from mana within it. Julius remarks that it is useful against mages and those who use mana to assist their techniques. However, the magic only negates the use of mana, and so it has no effect on opponents who fight without it.

I think.

 

[Zabazab]

Well, Reinhard don't exactly have feats for him doing It, but supposely he can resist this abilities from Beatrice.


I think.

Yes, he is either immune to or resists 80% of all magic effects, so all magic-based hax in the series:

Divine Blessing of Magic Resistence: He is immune to all curses and debuffs.

Divine Blessing of Fire Avoidance: He is immune to 80% of fire damage.

Divine Blessing of Wind Absorption: He absorbs 80% of Wind Magic.

Divine Blessing of Earth Resistence: He takes 80% reduced damage from Earth Magic.

Divine Blessing of Water Reflection: He reflects 80% of Water Magic.

Divine Blessing of Light Sharing: He shares 80% of Yang Magic with another target.

Divine Blessing of Darkness Immunity: He nullifies 80% of Yin Magic.

 

[Peak]

What prevents Rimuru from absorbing any attack, analyzing, copying and acquiring resistance? Besides, it wouldn't be like Rimuru to approach and release his own aura like he already did during the season 2 war

 

[DeusExMachine001]

What prevents Rimuru from absorbing any attack, analyzing, copying and acquiring resistance? Besides, it wouldn't be like Rimuru to approach and release his own aura like he already did during the season 2 war

Reinhardt only way to defeat rimuru is his Matter Maniplation with out he cant and his combat speed is FTL that's why.

 

[Peak]

Reinhardt only way to defeat rimuru is his Matter Maniplation with out he cant and his combat speed is FTL that's why.

the speed has been equalized, Rimuru will simply absorb the attack

 

[DeusExMachine001]

the speed has been equalized, Rimuru will simply absorb the attack

Even if we dont equalize the speed rimuru can always nullify Reinhards powers

 

[Peak]

Even if we dont equalize the speed rimuru can always nullify Reinhards powers

he can't, Rimuru's powernull is based on magic, something Reinhard doesn't use, besides that with FTL speed, Rimuru would die before even noticing any attack

 

[DeusExMachine001]

he can't, Rimuru's powernull is based on magic, something Reinhard doesn't use, besides that with FTL speed, Rimuru would die before even noticing

Power Nullification (After completely analyzing his opponents with one look, Rimuru can neutralize their abilities. Can manipulate other's magic with Control Magic

Does this look like a Magic power null too you.

 

[Peak]

Power Nullification (After completely analyzing his opponents with one look, Rimuru can neutralize their abilities. Can manipulate other's magic with Control Magic

Does this look like a Magic power null too you.

I see, in that case, with equalized speed this is certainly an option

 

[Zabazab]

I do think if speed is unequal Reinhard can matter nuke Rimuru, but the speed gap would probably make it a speedblitz stomp.

On the other hand if Rimuru can just powernull any ability regardless of Rein's powernull resistence then under equal speed he literally cannot lose.

 

[Peak]

I do think if speed is unequal Reinhard can matter nuke Rimuru, but the speed gap would probably make it a speedblitz stomp.

On the other hand if Rimuru can just powernull any ability then under equal speed he literally cannot lose.

This seems to be the case

 

[DeusExMachine001]

I do think if speed is unequal Reinhard can matter nuke Rimuru, but the speed gap would probably make it a speedblitz stomp.

On the other hand if Rimuru can just powernull any ability then under equal speed he literally cannot lose.

That's what I am saying Reinhards Travel speed is just 4 times greater then rimuru nothing special and he would not starts with the matter nuke.

I already explained why even in unequal speed Rimuru's first move is always information Analysis and shutting down reinhard abilities.

 

[DeusExMachine001]

He would lose his intuition too with his matter had so that's why I dont see why it's a big problem?

 

[Zabazab]

Frankly, in unequal speed Rimuru wouldn't even be able to move his body at all before he gets turned into a cloud of disembodied atoms.

Reinhard's intuition would inform him of Rimuru as a threat and there's no reason for him to hold back.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Frankly, in unequal speed Rimuru wouldn't even be able to move his body at all before he gets turned into a cloud of disembodied atoms.

Reinhard's intuition would inform him of Rimuru as a threat and there's no reason for him to hold back.

SBA already tell Rimuru is a threat to him, his intuition is kinda inrrelevant.

 

[DeusExMachine001]

Frankly, in unequal speed Rimuru wouldn't even be able to move his body at all before he gets turned into a cloud of disembodied atoms.

Reinhard's intuition would inform him of Rimuru as a threat and there's no reason for him to hold back.

If rimuru release his aura then reinhards intuition would work and If rimuru release his aura reinhard would die so his intuition is completely useless.

 

[Zabazab]

He doesn't just sense auras. His intuition informs him of threats to his self even if they are invisible, undetectable, and exist on a different plane of existence.

His intuition is broken, under unequal speed he would blitz and oneshot with matter nuke, which is probably a speed stomp- since Rimuru wouldn't be able to respond before getting hit with a FTL attack.

 

[DeusExMachine001]

He doesn't just sense auras. His intuition informs him of threats to his self even if they are invisible, undetectable, and exist on a different plane of existence.

His intuition is broken, under unequal speed he would blitz and oneshot with matter nuke, which is probably a speed stomp- since Rimuru wouldn't be able to respond before getting hit with a FTL attack.

Genius (His intelligence is stated to be average, but his intuition is incredible[19], so even while taking a test, he’ll get full marks from answering normally, even if it’s not multiple choice. With his intuition, he can tell the physical condition of his opponents in battle by how their bodies feel when he hits them with his sword. His natural talent is such that he can quickly learn things he was previously inexperienced in[8], and is mentioned to be perfect in the field of music[9], and even if he wasn't, a blessing would make him so. He is a natural genius[34] who is master of martial arts, swordsmanship, and countless other styles[34]. Reinhard’s sword technique captures every ounce of performance that can be extracted by any weapon he uses, even a throwaway sword at its end of life, sleeping away in a cellar, shines like some treasured sword passed on by legend across generations[20]. Reinhard's swordsmanship is unparalleled even when compared to past Sword Saints such as Thearesia van Astrea, who stood at the pinnacle of swordsmanship, and saw flaws in even the most polished fighting styles. Wilhelm van Astrea stated that despite being able to surpass Theresia in swordsmanship, which is ordinarily impossible even with a lifetime or eternity of training, Reinhard's skill is not even remotely in the realm of achievable[1], in a different world from everyone and everything else)

Here you go here his intuition level , I saw nothing like that

 

[Fezzih_007]

He doesn't just sense auras. His intuition informs him of threats to his self even if they are invisible, undetectable, and exist on a different plane of existence.

Thas't pretty basic actually, he basically can sense when he is about to be attacked, when is coming from is kinda whatever. Well, is atleast just above average i guess.

And also, sensing aura is the argument to why he would even start with matter manipulation, if he won't sense, so he dies i guess.

 

[DeusExMachine001]

Thas't pretty basic actually, he basically can sense when he is about to be attacked, when is coming from is kinda whatever. Well, is atleast just above average i guess.

And also, sensing aura is the argument to why he would even start with matter manipulation, if he won't sense, so he dies i guess.

If he senses aura he will die that's the problem =]

 

[Fezzih_007]

If he senses aura he will die that's the problem =]

Lol, i forgot how powerfull RImuru is.