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I honestly don’t think that is how it works.
Tensura magic is conceptual in nature as well as 5D so there is no resistance for him. Also she passively purifies things around Her.
Also she can summon spirits like I said
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Hinata vs Reinhard (again???)
Also she can summon spirits like I said
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Nothing, he "fights" (dodge to not get one tapped) them. Hinata prepares disintegration, traps him and erase him.
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how would she stall when she isnt even close to being comparable to Reinhard in skill?
Not to downplay but aside from her analytical precog she isnt even on the level of Theresia Van Astrea who Reinhard one swipe killed with barely any effort
again, what powers? his blessings dont need mana and he himself cant even use magic
cause he can? Elsa level characters can dodge a room blowing up without exiting the room, and she is so below Theresia in skill that not even an eternity of training would get her on the same level
Before that, what would she do to stop Reinhard from instantly getting to cqc and cutting her head off
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Tensura magic, is fundamentally different from normal magic... It is actually 5D with lots of hax... like CM 1.
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What is stopping her from gaining the abilities and then being able to stall long enough to use her stronger ones
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idk, maybe the 10x perception speed advantage she has over Reinhart. and having analyzed him fully.
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spirits are made up of magicules though right? Reinhard can absorb that and disable them then
what stops reinhard from just...moving out of the area where disintegration takes place (obviously ignoring how he could probably just dodge it even if it was in an enclosed area)
because they cancel each other out and Hinata cant exactly stall Reinhard because of the MAJOR skill gap??? what are you not getting
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Usuper, only works on stronger opponents, so we need to know what "stronger opponents" entails.
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perception speed advantage doesnt do anything aside from give her a little more time than Reinhard has to think, which wouldnt close the skill gap between them.
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You read the magic and Spiritual life form page for Tensura?...
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It would give her more then enough time, to analyze him, and decide the best option to defeat him. Also, what makes you think Reinhart would go for the kill directly?
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I did...a while ago
lemme check if anything has changed
okay yeah not much has changed although i suppose he cant passively disable them now, he would need to take out their physical form which wouldnt be that hard since he can one shot them
Although again, what is stopping Reinhard from instantly closing the distance and one shotting her
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his godly intuition which automatically tells him the best move to do in any given scenario
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They are conceptual in nature…
Him getting stalled. And no he isn’t dodging existence eraser.
She would have all his abilities as well as analyzing them.literally everything he can do,she can as well. (She should also just straight up be able to use his mind acceleration as well and be like 100x faster) and then she can activate her skills. Her spirits can stall (he can’t do anything at all to them) and she just sneaks up behind him and kills him ) (cause he shouldn’t even be able to sense her as even rimuru couldn’t.
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So we are in the situation again, where Hinata has fully analyzed Reinhart's abilities and Reinhart's intuition is telling him to finish this of as quickly as possible?
So we can assume they both go for their best option, which for Hinata would be Either melt slash or summoning.
For Reinhart, to get as close as possible, and "outskill" her.
The biggest problem for me here is that, Even though Reinhart may be more skilled, then Hinata the perception difference, will still allow her to dodge, and avoid attacks.
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Also, since the difference is so large in perception speed, I find it likely that Hinata is capable of summoning spirits, before Reinhart can do anything.
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Would she be able to stack his mind amp if she stole his abilities? So her 1000x speed amp + his 100.
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How fast would he regain his powers if they were stolen
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Yep.
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Yeah.
Anyway i think the fight will go like this:
- Reinhard directly attacks for the kill.
- Hinata perception speed hallow her to steal his abilities and summon the spirits.
- Reinhard goes back to not get one tapped by the spirits.
- Reinhard starts doding the spirits' attacks while Hinata prepare Disintegration.
- Hinata cast the spell, Reinhard is trapped and gets erased (or Hinata directly use Meltslash and stomps him)
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Hinata FRA
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It's just hard to picture how stealing a martial art or DP would work.
Does the target forget how to swing a sword? How to throw a punch? How does this interact with the existence of the talent ceiling and limits of the flesh?
If someone is is being made 2x stronger by an ally using magic on them, can she steal the buff from the buffed person and make their ally buff her instead?
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They entirely lose the ability. But I don’t remember her actually stealing a technique. Only copying them.(I honestly don’t recall her having many fights) tho it kinda works like gluttony (from re:zero)
She would steal the power that is granting the buff
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Didn't Hinata steal all of Granbell's techniques so he was surprised that he could still use them?
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I don’t recall. I will have to check.
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Pretty sure I have already answered this question.
her usurper Skill, allows her to steal or copy Skills, magic, arts (sword techniques and martial arts for example), and summons.
If she copies it, their skills remain, if she steals it, they will lose that skill. It should also be noted, that she doesn't have proficiency with the skills automatically, but would instead rely on her own "talent/experience"
Her mathematician skill, allows her to fully analyze her target, including their mana, technique physical capability, and other aspects.
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So she's stealing memories?
Then this whole part is moot, no? She'd just be stealing the ability to give someone a Divine Protection, which is useless for her. Stealing abilities from the world itself is also hard to picture, I don't believe she has the appropriate range to do so.
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Unique Skills are also granted by the World to reward them, so there's no point in arguing about that.
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No, Unique skills are heavily integrated into the target soul as pure information. The moment they have been granted a skill, from the Voice of the world, it is never taken back by it.
No, I answered what she steals above.
Pretty sure I also already answered this above.
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If the Unique Skill becomes a permanent part of the user after being granted it, I don't see how Usurper could work on Divine Protections when the existence granting the DPs is outside her range.
Sword Techniques and Martial Arts would be within the memories, so then she's stealing memories no? If she isn't then what exactly is she even stealing in this situation, and why wouldn't Reinhard remain able to use said techniques if he remembers them?
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As mentioned, skills are a bit unique in tensura I would recommend reading this page. But I see no reason why she wouldn't be able to analyze their blessing. As mentioned, she has the option to steal or copy. But first, she has to fully analyze her opponent. S I guess you could say she completely "mimics" the opponent's abilities.
She doesn't read their memories, but the "information" about the user. I have already mentioned what she can copy/steal. Also what she can analyze.
Since Their blessings would be nothing new to the table, I fail to see any reason why she couldn't copy or steal it.
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Did I miss something or wouldn't Reinhard not be able to interact with her due to being made of Type 2 information?
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Actually if i am not wrong, when you talk about sword skill, dont they get like literal sword "skills" (like extra skills or whatever) in which case she wouldnt be able to steal Reinhard's skill at all?
also we still havent discussed the imp part about usurper only working on stronger foes
but before all of that i would like to see a scan of her being able to steal/copy people's physical martial art skill
also we still havent discussed the imp part about usurper only working on stronger foes
but before all of that i would like to see a scan of her being able to steal/copy people's physical martial art skill
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thats her saint key, here she is just a human in transition to become a saint
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Isn't Hinata's hax 5-D in this key
