One Piece Chapter 1078: Escape Limit (Fan Translations)

[Eminiteable]

When you get badly injured, you start running out of steam.

King didn't though, Oda expresses his characters showing fatigue with stuff like "huff, huff" or worse. King never reached that point.

I was trying to say that Asura may not have have energy drain like KoH does, or at least not to the same degree.

Idk why though, I'm just saying I think KOH will be used more often in the story than Asura was after it's reveal.

 

[Eseseso]

King didn't though, Oda expresses his characters showing fatigue with stuff like "huff, huff" or worse. King never reached that point.

Fair.

I think that King honestly just panicked.

Idk why though, I'm just saying I think KOH will be used more often in the story than Asura was after it's reveal.

That makes sense. I think I may have just misread your comment.

 

[Eseseso]

Turning the flames off gives them a massive boost in speed and power though

Speed, not power.

If it did give him a power boost that'd be cool but asides from Omori he never needed to lower his back-flames to use Imperial Fire.

 

[Sus]

reading the koh stuff above, i personally think it wouldnt do shit considering
1 flame off king took an attack and kept fighting, flame on should only get a small cut if not outright tank
2 zoro knew its useless
him dodging and getting scared.. i could say he was wary or running out of stamina but i admit its weak excuses

 

[Eseseso]

Btw, I just realized a dope feat for KoH Zoro was easily slicing King's suit to tatters when Marco's Bluebird + Kick (the latter of which matched Kuzan and Kizaru) couldn't even scratch it.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Speed, not power.

If it did give him a power boost that'd be cool but asides from Omori he never needed to lower his back-flames to use Imperial Fire.

Doesn't more speed mean more power?
Like if you slowly put your fist against a window, it'll stay completely intact.
But if you punch it faster it'll shatter.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

reading the koh stuff above, i personally think it wouldnt do shit considering
1 flame off king took an attack and kept fighting, flame on should only get a small cut if not outright tank
2 zoro knew its useless
him dodging and getting scared.. i could say he was wary or running out of stamina but i admit its weak excuses

I'm still not sure.
I personally think that it's a possibility it could hurt him, especially if he was avoiding the attack and has Observation strong enough to sense the power in an attack, but this is just a theory.

 

[Sus]

I'm still not sure.
I personally think that it's a possibility it could hurt him, especially if he was avoiding the attack and has Observation strong enough to sense the power in an attack, but this is just a theory.

i think a safer assumption is that it couldve hurt but no way it wouldve took him down

 

[DaMonkeMan]

i think a safer assumption is that it couldve hurt but no way it wouldve took him down

I'm not saying that, but it probably would have hurt bad.
Anyway this chapter will set the final consensus for King vs Sanji.

 

[Sus]

I'm not saying that, but it probably would have hurt bad.

king was running out of stamina too if the attack hurt bad but didnt take him down did it really hurt bad

Anyway this chapter will be the final consensus for King vs Sanji.

king negs
sanji can hurt him wow amazing now he gets vaporized by magma

 

[DaMonkeMan]

king negs
sanji can hurt him wow amazing now he gets vaporized by magma

He can't hurt him.
That's the point.

 

[Sus]

He can't hurt him.
That's the point.

tbf i doubt oda will make others hurt them if ifrit jambe cant unless oda hates sanji

 

[Eseseso]

king was running out of stamina too if the attack hurt bad but didnt take him down did it really hurt bad

king negs
sanji can hurt him wow amazing now he gets vaporized by magma

Unfortunately, IJ does have higher heat scaling than King's magma fire.

 

[Sus]

Unfortunately, IJ does have higher heat scaling than King's magma fire.

sanji cant tank the ap part of it

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Yeah King's fire was still enough to almost murder Zoro on the spot lol.

 

[Sus]

queens stronger attacks hurt sanji so kings also should

 

[RoyGundam]

Unfortunately, IJ does have higher heat scaling than King's magma fire.

What heat scaling is that?

 

[Eseseso]

What heat scaling is that?

https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-piece-heat-resistance-scaling.138572/

Asides from the plasma stuff for IJ (which was later rejected), nothing about the scaling has changed.

 

[Sus]

hold on base sanji cant resist ij and he doesnt defend with bosu often
where do his base scale

 

[RoyGundam]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-piece-heat-resistance-scaling.138572/

Asides from the plasma stuff for IJ (which was later rejected), nothing about the scaling has changed.

But why does Sanji scale higher than say, Akainu's magma? This thread only says that he does, but doesn't explain why

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

KoH is something that Zoro will definitely use more liberally compared to Asura.

Where as Asura can be a bit awkward to use in normal combat and is best suited as a finishing move, KoH is literally Santoryu but better in every way, so it's a far more fitting style for extended combat.

KoH is better for fighting where as Asura is better as the powerful finishing move (can't wait for Zoro to combine both).

Also, KoH is far easier to draw than Asura, so of course Oda would likely use it more often lol.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

So with the current information, how high does Zeus scale, in terms of AP?

And would it scale back to Wano Big Mom? She has much more control over Zeus then Nami does.

 

[Eseseso]

KoH is something that Zoro will definitely use more liberally compared to Asura.

Where as Asura can be a bit awkward to use in normal combat and is best suited as a finishing move, KoH is literally Santoryu but better in every way, so it's a far more fitting style for extended combat.

KoH is better for fighting where as Asura is better as the powerful finishing move (can't wait for Zoro to combine both).

Also, KoH is far easier to draw than Asura, so of course Oda would likely use it more often lol.

Doesn't using Enma too long risk killing Zoro tho?

 

[Eseseso]

So with the current information, how high does Zeus scale, in terms of AP?

And would it scale back to Wano Big Mom? She has much more control over Zeus then Nami does.

Honestly it seems like it might be dura neg considering he went right through the insides of S-Shark.

If not, then Zeus is indeed High 6-A, and yes BM would be above this.

This would of course improve the durability feats of Rooftop Zoro and Killer.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Doesn't using Enma too long risk killing Zoro tho?

For now, but I feel like if Zoro kept training with Enma, he'll better adapt to the drain.

And I was only talking about combat effectiveness, not stamina cost.

 

[Eminiteable]

Doesn't using Enma too long risk killing Zoro tho?

Only until he himself is strong enough to "wield it as light as a feather" like Oden did.

He's not going to get better with it if he puts off using it.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Honestly it seems like it might be dura neg considering he went right through the insides of S-Shark.

If not, then Zeus is indeed High 6-A, and yes BM would be above this.

This would of course improve the durability feats of Rooftop Zoro and Killer.

I honestly also think it's more akin to dura neg, since this would make Zeus > Gear 4th Luffy, who can harm Big Mom.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Only until he himself is strong enough to "wield it as light as a feather" like Oden did.

He's not going to get better with it if he puts off using it.

Exactly! If anything, Zoro should be using it more often so as to better adapt to it (Not against random fodder of course, but now would be a great time for it).

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Honestly it seems like it might be dura neg considering he went right through the insides of S-Shark.

If not, then Zeus is indeed High 6-A, and yes BM would be above this.

This would of course improve the durability feats of Rooftop Zoro and Killer.

Nami lightning attacks usually go through her opponents tho.

Thunder Lance Tempo does the same thing, and we still use it for scaling.

 

[SlendVeny]

But then Zoro kinda hyped their durability up. So wouldn't he be using his max power after last chapters realization if he knew it could pierce through their max defense.

He hasn't even consistently used 3 swords against them.

 

[Eminiteable]

Exactly! If anything, Zoro should be using it more often so as to better adapt to it (Not against random fodder of course, but now would be a great time for it).

Probably will see it next time he has a proper 1v1 against a strong for.

Nami lightning attacks usually go through her opponents tho.

Thunder Lance Tempo does the same thing, and we still use it for scaling.

Those are probably Dura neg as well then.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Tbf the Seraphim seem to have organs as durable as their outer parts, like S-Bear tanking a Rokougan ( though we don't have any official scaling for Rokougan yet but it's worth noting ).
And now SeraJimbe is seemingly tanking Ifrit Jambe which means Zeus > SeraJimbe > Ifrit Jambe > Diable Jambe

 

[Eminiteable]

And now SeraJimbe is seemingly tanking Ifrit Jambe which means Zeus > SeraJimbe > Ifrit Jambe > Diable Jambe

Seraphim/Lunarians are seemingly resistant to flames while the same can't be said for electricity.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Seraphim are seemingly resistant to flames while the same can't be said for electricity.

It stops people from saying Sanji has better heat though.

 

[Godernet]

Im ngl The Sanji > King agenda might have to be shelved for a bit if he really did 0 damage to S-Shark

Imma wait for that chapter to come out first tho

 

[Eseseso]

I mean, KT said something about how King's internal durability =/= Seraph Internal durability since they're robots and he isn't...

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I mean, KT said something about how King's internal durability =/= Seraph Internal durability since they're robots and he isn't...

They're cyborgs.

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

York was the traitor out of all the Vegapunks!? Well, I definitely didn't suspect her as the culprit (sorry Shaka lol), then again she does represent Greed. Hopefully her reason is as incredible as it was hyped to be.

Wait, if Snake and York got Atlas, does this also mean they got Robin and Chopper too!? Dammit! I mean I don't care all that much what happens to Chopper, but not Robin!

So IJ didn't damage to Flames On S-Shark? At all? I genuinely surprised. I thought it would've done a little.

And Kizaru and Saturn FINALLY appear the end! No wonder the leakers were hyping the chapter's ending.

 

[Godernet]

Honestly these Seraphim are a lot more impressive than I ever thought they could be. Might have to just hold off on making any more scalings assumption based on the Seraphim until we see what it takes to actually beat them.

 

[SlendVeny]

(sorry Shaka lol)

The real spoiler is that they're the same character, you just couldn't tell because of the mask.