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One Piece Chapter 1003: "Night on the board" (Official Release)
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Once again tho, I don't like that at all, it doesn't feel like Zoro has earned being equal to Luffy Post-Timeskip, he hasn't gotten a serious fight and we haven't seen him get to this point satisfyingly, so I feel cheated and that Zoro was able to reach this level far easier than Luffy did
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I'm sure people will still be saying "It's still Oden, though." even when my man Zoro turns Enma into a Black Blade lol.
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Well, I would've definitely loved to see Zoro in more serious fights throughout the Post-TS era. Like I said, I'm a massive Zoro fan, so naturally waiting for years on end irl without any meaningful Zoro content was painful for me.
Still though, I don't find his current portrayal to be contrived or unwarranted, so I guess it's just one of those things we'll have to agree to disagree on. I fully respect and understand your opinion though.
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@Eminiteable you're familiar with the concept of new information right?
Big Mom: That's no ordinary sword"
Kaido: Why is Oden's aura, That is Oden's sword,
Not a single mention of Zoro. . . .
Big Mom: That's no ordinary sword"
Kaido: Why is Oden's aura, That is Oden's sword,
Not a single mention of Zoro. . . .
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Same, I wish we would have seen Zoro in more serious fights. Watching him utilize all his capabilities to his maximum potential is one of the best things I could ask for as a Zoro fan.
Kind of makes me wish he was more involved in the Whole Cake Island arc when they were dealing with Big Mom and all.
A guy can dream, can't he?
Kind of makes me wish he was more involved in the Whole Cake Island arc when they were dealing with Big Mom and all.
A guy can dream, can't he?
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Plus, in my mind, it was always hyped up as the weapon being the one thing to harm Kaido, and Zoro would just wield it. Basically, Kaido is Ganon, Oden's Sword is the Master Sword, and Zoro is Link. That's how I saw it, anyways. Plus, it's a fitting power-up for Zoro given that it plays into his specialty of swordfighting.
So personally, Zoro being on a Yonko level with that sword doesn't seem so bad to me. It doesn't really break the narrative, and it's about time Zoro's done something super significant, imho.
So personally, Zoro being on a Yonko level with that sword doesn't seem so bad to me. It doesn't really break the narrative, and it's about time Zoro's done something super significant, imho.
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I do agree that Enma is drawing out Zoros maximum potential when he attacks with it but as of right now he can only reach that level with the use if Enma, but it does act as a sort of precursor to what Zoro may be like towards the end.
Id wait to say that the Sword is straight up Yonko level with Zoro till we get more feats but its definitely a possibility, he can at least legitimately penetrate Kaido scales.
Id wait to say that the Sword is straight up Yonko level with Zoro till we get more feats but its definitely a possibility, he can at least legitimately penetrate Kaido scales.
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How's that new information or information that contradicts what we know?
We already knew it wasn't an ordinary sword and we already knew it was Oden's sword.
Big Mom and Kaido don't know how the sword functions and only now has Kaido finally figured out why he could sense Oden's presence; the fact it was Oden's sword.
In the end it's still just doing as Tenguyama described.
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Agreed. This is making me really want to see a Zoro VS Mihawk rematch in the near future.
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It doesn't, so stop bringing the old up like it invalidates what is new.
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Either way - Zoro's ordinary AP isn't going to scale to Kaido just yet.
He literally tried slicing open his throat while Kaido was in human form and he couldn't cut through his skin, just a couple chapters ago.
He literally tried slicing open his throat while Kaido was in human form and he couldn't cut through his skin, just a couple chapters ago.
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That was killer who aimed for the throat.
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It seems to me that it could have been either or both of them responsible for that mark. Especially since it immediately focused on Zoro in the panel afterwards.
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"The new" doesn't contradict what was previously told and instead reinforces it. What old info am I bringing up to invalidate "new info"???
Killer used decapitation blade or something and aimed for the neck (which is why we see him in that area).
Meanwhile Zoro used onigiri and like it's always been it was a bodyblow. The sound effect on screen was one that of cutting into something (not the throbbing) thus Zoro cut into Kaido.
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How does that invalidate new info fix???
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I don't even care if Zoro deserves or not to be there, but he surely does not deserve to do better than Luffy, who not only fought and defeated many more big names post TS than Zoro, but also had a very specific training meant to deal damage to Kaido and bypass all of his defenses, while Zoro is like:
"he fights for his dead rival and trained with Mihawk, why wouldn't he defeat an Yonkou?"
That's so boring.
"he fights for his dead rival and trained with Mihawk, why wouldn't he defeat an Yonkou?"
That's so boring.
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Makes sense since Zoro is like the second strongest of the Straw Hats.
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So was Kaido really about to eat Luffy if it wasn’t for Zoro? Because if Kaido did indeed eat him, wouldn’t he have die. I mean, I recall that Big Mom got her Devil Fruit by eating Mother Carmel alongside the orphans, so if Kaido did eat Luffy he would have two DF and then die since it is impossible for anyone to possess two DF unless you’re Blackbeard.
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Probably would've vaporized him inside of his mouth with Boro Breath
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I mean..kaido wants to die a memorable death right? Imagine a huge dragon Like that exploding. He would literally go with a bang!
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It's still Zoro who is regulating the power level of Enma. Two chapters ago he was unable to cut Kaido with his Purgatory OniGiri and had a mental dialogue along the lines of "I need to release more power with Emma"/"this much is not enough" ... And then he started raising the power level of Enma and could cut Kaido in the latest chapter
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Perhaps they have different functionalities and abilities?
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Other swords don't pull out as much Haki as enma.
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I don't think that's how it works. IIRC, the soul of the devil fruit goes an rests in the nearest fruit when the user dies (according to Doffy). Big Mom's case is a bit unclear, but there could have been fruits among what she ate alongside Mother Carramel which would explain what happened better
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Yes that's fine. That power was not enough. Once Enma's/Oden's aura was brought to the service Big Mom and Kaido commented on how powerful it was unlike Zoro or the other supernova. Nothing wrong with using a powerful weapon especially when you're up agaisnt the strongest in the world.
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Agreed.
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That's probably because Zoro is letting more power later on. Which is why they comment on it's power. Zoro literally says "I need to release more of Enma's power" ...
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I mean, there is one half saying Enma is increasing his power while the other saying Enma has nothing to do with that, i am just confused.
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Quick question, shouldn’t kaido have invulnerability?
The power’s description seems to match perfectly with kaido since the only way to damage him is thorough the use of ryuo or other forms of durability negation. And is clearly not just exceptional durability like what big mom Showcased.
The power’s description seems to match perfectly with kaido since the only way to damage him is thorough the use of ryuo or other forms of durability negation. And is clearly not just exceptional durability like what big mom Showcased.
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Only characters whose invulnerability is clearly more than simply being exceptionally durable for the verse's setting qualify.
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So this like being able to to survive a supernova in your face type of thing. I see kkkk, my mistake then.
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No, it is more like not being affected by conventional damage at all, not something related to tier..
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