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One Piece Chapter 1001: "Onigashima's Decisive Monster Battle" (Official Release)

I don't think Zoro used Power Mimicry. He did have ever since Punk Hazard to learn how to cut fire, and could have easily taken time to practice the technique up until the end of Act 2 Wano.

He simply learned the technique by watching Kin'emon. We don't take every case of a character learning an attack or style over time from their "mentor" and refer it as Power Mimicry.

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(Now to talk about this chapter :3 which felt very fast)

In regards to the shadows Kaido saw, we all know for a fact he has seen or battled those 5 individuals in the past (Rocks being his captain, Roger having fought Rocks, Whitebeard being a Yonko and legend at the level of Roger, Oden nearly defeating Kaido, and Shanks for unknown reasons--presuming they didn't fight prior to the Paramount war).
  • It makes no sense for Garp NOT to be among the shadows since he defeated Rocks alongside Roger... But this can easily be dismissed as "Kaido only counting Pirate Legends... not Marines", otherwise we'd definitely see Garp and Sengoku.
  • We also don't see Shiki or other notable pirates from that era most likely due to them not having an in-canon appearance (Episode 0 is still a mixed bag).
  • There's also Big Mom, but that can be dismissed as "She's literally right there".
It's totally likely that Kaido refers to those 5 specifically because they are people who most likely "defeated him". After all, if you look at Oden, he was supposed to have killed Kaido and WOULD HAVE if not for cheap tactics. If anything I think this panel is specifically hyping up Shanks since his appearance is the most "recent" looking one since 4 of those characters looked as they are shown literal decades ago (3 of those mentioned died decades ago as well), if that makes sense. Maybe Shanks truly did force Kaido to retreat from combat 2 years prior.

Luffy seemed to definitely dodge the Thunder Bagua, but still got grazed (or the attack just hit his nose and nothing else). Either way, he should not scale fully to that attack. His Kong Gun was ineffective against Kaido, but this is simply because he wasn't using his special Ryuo/Goken attack.

I'm still calling it: Law will absolutely give his life for Luffy. He's so flustered. This chapter just confirms it to me.

Luffy, Law, and Kid are definitely the top 3 Supernova in the ladder, prove me wrong tbh. Zoro's #4 tho :)

Kaido is definitely dismissing Zoro and Killer. While Zoro will obviously prove to get stronger in this particular fight, idk what Killer is going to do since he's never been hinted to have a special ability of any kind.

Law made a reference to "killing Kaido from the inside", so perhaps we'll see him use Gamma Knife one more time? I wonder how Kaido would recover from that since unlike Doflamingo, he doesn't have any known restoration potential.

Also, all 3 attacks at the end didn't seem to affect Kaido, even Luffy's Kong Gun. Red Roc used fire + Ryuo, so I suppose this means Ryuo amps Gear 3rd > normal Gear 4th.

I disagree about Kaido dismissing Zoro and Killer. At the end he said it was a shame had to kill all of them. Seems like Kaido is impressed with the strength of all 5 Supernovas, not just Luffy, Kid, and Law. But everything else, I fully agree with.
 
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1) HANDful refers to a maximum of 5 of something (Referencing the fingers) OR a literal amount which fill the hand. Do enlighten me how Kaido can hold Roger, Oden, Rocks, Shanks, AND whitebeard in his hand.

2) That OR those 5 really are the only ones and you're just upset Garp et al are not as powerful as you beleived. Were you like this when people pointed out Garp wasn't WSM many years ago?

Also this is kind of ridiculous. You're twisting yourself into knots over Garp MAYBE not being top 6!? We still need more translations at this point and your making up stuff for what Kaido meant but didn't say. I don't care, it was still an enjoyable chapter for me even if the translations come out different.
Why are you getting so defensive over this...? wtf?? I never hyped Garp up in my time here (or Roger for that matter).
  • Nor am I even insinuating that there should be any profile changes. I'm merely discussing my thoughts on the chapter. Calm down, jeez.

Handful only refers to a small quantity. Not specifically "5". I can not believe this is being argued so seriously.

The only thing that's ridiculous is you coming out of nowhere with such aggression over someone's initial thoughts on the chapter that wasn't even directed towards you.
 
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Never thought I could say that, but I agree with Cin about this chapter.
The chapter has really cool panels, the first being Luffy with the shadows, that hypes Shanks even more, the second being the combination of the captain supernova trio, they're just so cool and I love their rivalry.
I think that this chapter confirms that Law and Kidd are stronger than Zoro, that Oden is a top tier (because some people still didn't think so) and that we have to prepare ourselves to Shanks.
 
Why are you getting so defensive over this...? wtf?? I never hyped Garp up in my time here (or Roger for that matter).
  • Nor am I even insinuating that there should be any profile changes. I'm merely discussing my thoughts on the chapter. Calm down, jeez.

Handful only refers to a small quantity. Not specifically "5". I can not believe this is being argued so seriously.

The only thing that's ridiculous is you coming out of nowhere with such aggression over someone's initial thoughts on the chapter that wasn't even directed towards you.
Way to try and turn it around on me but okay. Long as this means we can stop the conspiracies of what you think Kaido meant I'm down.

FYI a small quantity would be defined as a few, handful is more specific. Look it up.

Also curious what rating you would give the chap as a whole?
 
Does anyone think we should add a poll to these threads for a general concensus of how people rate the chapters?
 
FYI a small quantity would be defined as a few, handful is more specific. Look it up.
This from Merriam Webster :

Definition of handful


1: as much or as many as the hand will grasp
2: a small quantity or number i.e. a handful of people
3: as much as one can manage i.e. the kids are quite a handful

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There is no shame in admitting an honest mistake, but doubling down on it (multiple times) only makes you look stupid
 
As far as Garp is concerned, there are two possibilities :

A : The list shown is just representative, we know that Garp + Roger beat Rocks, Big Mom, Whitebeard and Kaido (+ Shiki) at a time when basically all of them except Kaido were in their prime (Kaido was just a rookie at the time)
B : Garp isn't a God Tier threat and Roger was just that much more impressive vs Rocks' crew
 
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Im assuming we will be seeing the God Valley incident soon after Wano so then would should at least see who did what.
 
Handful means a small quantity, period. Only place where i've seen it is ever referred to as "5" is "Yourdictionary", a website where people can put their own definitions down. And it's not even being used in the official translation... just a "Scant Few".

Pointless argument: over.

@RoyGundam - It's weird that Kaido is using present-tense when 4 of the 5 shadows are currently dead. Also, even if we consider the idea "Kaido doesn't view Garp or Sengoku as notable threats", Roger certainly does considering his encounters with Garp are referred to as him being "cornered many times", and when we see him in the most recent flashback, he is disappointed with the force sent to attack him, and suggests they send someone more worth his time like "Garp or Sengoku".

I thought of "B" as well, and Garp was possibly carried by Roger through that battle, but it's just an assumption and we can only go by what the Marines have told us (the irony, considering how many lies they spill, possibly including "Garp defeating Rocks").
 
@CinCameron20 Why are you still discussing this?

I have to give @PsychoWarper credit. I don't agree with them, but at least they are sound enough to both look up facts and not take this stuff too seriously.

Viz changes several things from the early translations. Still need to see the raws and more translations to see what is the truth. That said, the differences are minimal and don't change much about this epic chapter.
 
Do we consider Foxfire style to be hax? Either way, Zoro gets Fire Manipulation if his usage is similar to Kin'emon's, since this means he should easily be capable of lighting his blades on fire, and can obviously cut (and "wound") fire.
 
Do we consider Foxfire style to be hax? Either way, Zoro gets Fire Manipulation if his usage is similar to Kin'emon's, since this means he should easily be capable of lighting his blades on fire, and can obviously cut (and "wound") fire.
When he used it against Kaido (Kin'emon) it sent a slash, so it just seems like a slash through fire
 
Prometheus is pure fire that can't even be hurt using Haki. I doubt it would be possible to hurt it without hax. Limited NPI is probably most accurate
It doesn't even look like he got hurt. All he said was arghhh
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Neither are hax or magic, just physical power ups, that is what i meant.

Btw, what are Prometheus' best feats?
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Yeah limited fire manipulation is pretty solid for Zoro (For cutting, I don't know about starting them yet). I'd stop short of NPI until we get the raws analyzed for word choice.
 
Yeah limited fire manipulation is pretty solid for Zoro (For cutting, I don't know about starting them yet). I'd stop short of NPI until we get the raws analyzed for word choice.
He already has standard fire manipulation (when he cut down Ryuma).
 
Same reason he got a minor before. He probably doesn't if he can create and cut now.

Btw that technique isn't listed on him.
Create only after cutting his opponent and cutting fire are still limited applications, Ace and Sabo have full fire manipulation for example
 
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Well, Prometheus should scale to Big Mom when she is wielding him no? At least i don't think her punches are whole tiers above her fire. Also, did anyone ever try to upgrade Big Mom to tier 4 for wielding "Sun itself"? I would really like to see someone trying to do that.
 
Well, Prometheus should scale to Big Mom when she is wielding him no? At least i don't think her punches are whole tiers above her fire. Also, did anyone ever try to upgrade Big Mom to tier 4 for wielding "Sun itself"? I would really like to see someone trying to do that.
The only homie that scales to big mom is Napoleon.

Prometheus got hurt by Brook, countered by Luffy and Sanji, and started bitching from hits from Prometheus. He would scale above reiju who scales to mountain level vinsmokes, or to any calcs or feats that put him higher.
 
The only homie that scales to big mom is Napoleon.

Prometheus got hurt by Brook, countered by Luffy and Sanji,
Why? Was it ever said that Napoleon is stronger than the others? She has named attacks with Prometheus, but yeah i think it makes more sense for his giant form to scale.

Being hurt means his durability isn't good, but it has nothing to do with AP.
 
Why? Was it ever said that Napoleon is stronger than the others? She has named attacks with Prometheus, but yeah i think it makes more sense for his giant form to scale.
Napoleon clashed with Kaido.
Prometheus clashed with Luffy and Sanji, who Kaido one shot, who Napoleon matched.
Being hurt means his durability isn't good, but it has nothing to do with AP.
His dura and AP is one and the same, since he literally attacks with himself.
That was Soul Manip Hax on the part of Brook
They were immune to his soul manip.

With the point about the giant form, if someone could calc it, I'd take it.

Or if someone could calc any feats done by Zeus or Prometheus or both (the storm that covered whole cake island got calced by Calaca and got Low 7-B for some trash reason, every feat in OP gets either 8-C or low 7-B).
 
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