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MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread

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For what we know, there was no "self-destruction" involved, Thanos just used their individual power against one another
If the stone’s max AP when used by Thanos is 6-B, then how were they destroyed? Did Thanos just use the stones to their max power against one another until they were “gone, reduced to atoms”?
 
If the stone’s max AP when used by Thanos is 6-B, then how were they destroyed? Did Thanos just use the stones to their max power against one another until they were “gone, reduced to atoms”?
Maybe, I mean this is basically what I assumed actually happened since he said "I used to Stones to destroy the Stones", not "I made the Stones destroy themselves" in a way implying he "ordered" them to self-destruct individually
 
Maybe, I mean this is basically what I assumed actually happened since he said "I used to Stones to destroy the Stones", not "I made the Stones destroy themselves" in a way implying he "ordered" them to self-destruct individually
I always assumed that Thanos just did what he said, "reduced them to atoms", and that they more or less still "exist" in a non-tangible form with no current method of reconcentrating/recombining them.

Going off of what the Collector said:

"Before creation itself, there were six singularities. Then the universe exploded into existence, and the remnants of these systems were forged into concentrated ingots... Infinity Stones."

What the Eternals intro text said:

"In the beginning... before the six Singularities and the dawn of creation, came the CELESTIALS. Arishem, the Prime Celestial, created the first sun and brought light into the universe. Life began, and thrived. All was in balance."

What Wong said:

"At the dawn of the universe, there was nothing. Then... Boom. The Big Bang sent six elemental crystals hurtling across the virgin universe. These Infinity Stones each control an essential aspect of existence."

And this page from the GotG Art book:

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It's either the "Big Bang concentrated the Six Singularities, created by the Cosmic Entities, into the Six Infinity Stones, and sent them out across the new universe" or the "Cosmic Entities concentrated the Six Singularities and the Big Bang sent them across into the new universe"
 
I always assumed that Thanos just did what he said, "reduced them to atoms", and that they more or less still "exist" in a non-tangible form with no current method of reconcentrating/recombining them.

Going off of what the Collector said:

"Before creation itself, there were six singularities. Then the universe exploded into existence, and the remnants of these systems were forged into concentrated ingots... Infinity Stones."

What the Eternals intro text said:

"In the beginning... before the six Singularities and the dawn of creation, came the CELESTIALS. Arishem, the Prime Celestial, created the first sun and brought light into the universe. Life began, and thrived. All was in balance."

What Wong said:

"At the dawn of the universe, there was nothing. Then... Boom. The Big Bang sent six elemental crystals hurtling across the virgin universe. These Infinity Stones each control an essential aspect of existence."

And this page from the GotG Art book:

images


It's either the "Big Bang concentrated the Six Singularities, created by the Cosmic Entities, into the Six Infinity Stones, and sent them out across the new universe" or the "Cosmic Entities concentrated the Six Singularities and the Big Bang sent them across into the new universe"

This basically is my thoughts on the matter as well, thr stones certainly still exist just not in a form tangible enough to used since they're literally reduced to atoms
 
Still kinda funny that, along with the Celestials and Cosmic Entities, the Dark Elves are one of the oldest civilizations that predates the current MC-Universe, and one of the first to find and use an Infinity Stone.

Then got beaten by Space Vikings, who I assume also found and used another Infinity Stone (I assume they used the Space Stone to power the Bifrost cannon thing instead of using just Magic since it seems draining to use).

Time went to Humans, Mind to the Chitauri, and Soul to Vormir, while Power exchanged hands multiple times.
 
Still kinda funny that, along with the Celestials and Cosmic Entities, the Dark Elves are one of the oldest civilizations that predates the current MC-Universe, and one of the first to find and use an Infinity Stone.

Then got beaten by Space Vikings, who I assume also found and used another Infinity Stone (I assume they used the Space Stone to power the Bifrost cannon thing instead of using just Magic since it seems draining to use).

Time went to Humans, Mind to the Chitauri, and Soul to Vormir, while Power exchanged hands multiple times.
Considering the Soul Stone is more than implied to be sentient (more than the others), it's possible it kind of decided to land on Vormir
 

I wonder what kind of Magic people would choose (aside from the obvious Chaos Magic but for the sake of it let's behave like if it won't be the general answer)
 
• Learn Eldritch Magic, Mirror Dimension Magic and Martial Arts from the Masters of the Mystic Arts.

• Get access to the Book of Cagliostro or somehow go to the Lost Library of Cagliostro.

• Learn Dark Dimension Magic and stack it on top of your Eldritch Magic.

• Locate and acquire the Dark Hold.

• Learn Dark Hold Magic and Dark Magic from the Dark Hold, and stack them on top of your Eldritch, Mirror Dimension, and Dark Dimension Magic.

• Profit
 
Reminds me that Gorr and L&T Thor should get some kind of resistance for enduring the Bifrost, which pulls beings apart on a cellular, molecular and atomic level
 
On a second glance, Dark Elf Particle Rifle particle bolts specify tearing apart "Living Tissue" at a molecular level.

Does this mean that it does nothing to nonorganic material other than generic energy blast? If so, then there wouldn't be any Resistance nor Resistance scaling from it.

IIRC stuff like this is usually indexed as Limited Durability Negation.
 
Okay so rewatching this scene even Helas necrosword only scrapes off Einherjar shields, I guess Asgardian weaponry and defences are just really strong? One of the soldiers even manages to stab through Helas chest so wouldn't that make their weapons 6-B?
 
Because the Particle Rifle's couldn't pierce Einherjar shields and (maybe iirc) Hela can
How does that make her scale to its Hax though?

A Dark Elf's Rifle's Particle Bolt is both AP (Enough to pierce through Einherjar Armor and the Einherjar) and Hax (Molecular Tearing Apart of Living Tissue)

Einherjar Shields are just more Durability than the Armor to the point of Deflecting the Particle Bolts, while being unaffected by the Hax because the Hax is specified to target Living Tissue.

Hela and her weapons would just have higher AP than the Shields could withstand if she could pierce them, and would nothing to do with the Bolt's Hax Portion
 
Okay so rewatching this scene even Helas necrosword only scrapes off Einherjar shields, I guess Asgardian weaponry and defences are just really strong? One of the soldiers even manages to stab through Helas chest so wouldn't that make their weapons 6-B?

Asgardian weapons, from knives to swords, have always seemed to be able to harm or threaten opponents leagues above the wielder.

Thor, Kurse, Hela, and potentially Thanos were either harmed or threatened by Asgardian weapons.
 
How does that make her scale to its Hax though?

A Dark Elf's Rifle's Particle Bolt is both AP (Enough to pierce through Einherjar Armor and the Einherjar) and Hax (Molecular Tearing Apart of Living Tissue)

Einherjar Shields are just more Durability than the Armor to the point of Deflecting the Particle Bolts, while being unaffected by the Hax because the Hax is specified to target Living Tissue.

Hela and her weapons would just have higher AP than the Shields could withstand if she could pierce them, and would nothing to do with the Bolt's Hax Portion
Oh right I missed the living tissue part
 
Asgardian weapons, from knives to swords, have always seemed to be able to harm or threaten opponents leagues above the wielder.

Thor, Kurse, Hela, and potentially Thanos were either harmed or threatened by Asgardian weapons.
An Asgard civilisation page would be interesting to make knowing that, with them being at most 8-A normally and 6-B with their weapons and defenses
 
Earth Eternals should be a key in their group profile since it gets split up by the end of the movie. The time we'll see them, it'll be Makkari, Druig, Thena, and Trash.
 
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