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Did y’all se the mech avengers the ep was crazy
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MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread
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I finished watching episode 1 of What If...? season 3.
- The Apex Hulk is a gamma being unrestrained by Banner's conscience
- The Apex quickly grew larger and produced additional gamma monsters from itself, eventually resulting in an army of thousands that threatens the world
- The rest of the original Avengers lineup had to resort to using "bigger, meaner" Hulkbuster suits to fight the monsters, but all were defeated, including Thor
- The Apex causes large shockwaves just by roaring
- The Mighty Avenger easily defeats a large number of gamma monsters, but is largely overwhelmed by Apex, only getting a decent hit in with a rocket fist attack
- Bruce Banner uses a nuke upgraded with a gamma core to become the fire-breathing Mega-Hulk, who fights and defeats Apex
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so does that mean every monster in the army is above nuke level for taking it point blank or no
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I think an argument could be made for gamma monsters getting tier 6 scaling, considering that all of the original Avengers needed to use mechs to fight them, and were still eventually defeated, suggesting that the monsters, and by extension the mechs, are stronger than a pre-awakening Thor.
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Okay frick me so they directly confirmed that these are just timelines within the Multiverse. And based on the links they provided from looking at the Marvel.com website, it linked directly to the MCU version of Captain Carter, indicating it's the same one. Yeah, um, I have nothing to say. It's like they rectified every possible way to refute this.
according to the description of the comic the comic characters are just other characters in the multiverse from different universes/timelines
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Interesting that khonshu didn’t intervene despite being there
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This was a wild episode... 
Shame What If is ending after this… they should keep it indefinitely, just letting a new Showrunner take over after every 3 seasons. It can’t be that expensive to produce.
Shame What If is ending after this… they should keep it indefinitely, just letting a new Showrunner take over after every 3 seasons. It can’t be that expensive to produce.
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Also, it’s really a shame we’re not getting the, “What If Surtur invaded New York”, episode… 
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I feel like this episode weirdly got reworked from that one. Both involved different heroes from all over working together, mechas, and a giant HulkAlso, it’s really a shame we’re not getting the, “What If Surtur invaded New York”, episode…
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Btw, Odin’s power nullification isn’t restricted to “just” Asgardians, is it?
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Surtur is to weak honestly episode wouldn’t workAlso, it’s really a shame we’re not getting the, “What If Surtur invaded New York”, episode…
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Based on those leaked drafts, that was NOT how they were looking at it.
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that’s why they were nothing but drafts and scrapped or no they realized surtur couldn’t hang with hulk or ThorBased on those leaked drafts, that was NOT how they were looking at it.
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arishem fodder confirmed its also confirmed most celestials scale to each other even him besides the ones talking to the watcher at the end also arishrem isn’t some nexus being there exists one in every universe as he died
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I finished watching episode 2 of What If...? season 3.
- By the start of the episode, Agatha has taken the power of all the Eternals except for Kingo, who was made the new Prime Eternal
- With preparation (involving a ritual and the power of all Earth Eternals), Agatha can absorb the power of Tiamut
- The plot hinges on the fact that the power of another Celestial (in this case, Tiamut's power as used by Agatha) could potentially stop Arishem, indicating 3-A scaling for all Celestials
- Celestial Agatha is able to trade blows with Arishem, and after tricking him is able to absorb all his energy, leaving her with the power of two Celestials
- Arishem's death gets the attention of three other Celestials
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It didn’t kingo was talking about the celestials in that universe the ones with the watcher doesn’t seem to be related
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Not comparable at all she could only absorb celestials when she had all the eternals powers meaning her absorption is pretty mid
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Yeah, and she absorbed all the other eternals' powers, and defeated them all (likely through trickery)
I dont know why that means her absorption is 'mid' when she was able to handle all of Wanda's chaos magic for a moment, unless you just want to throw about ragebait terms
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I don't understand why you would rather insult a character who uses magic or a character who uses power more. physicality of fighting
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Arishem not being a nexus being makes sense; it seems the non-nexus beings are likely the one's with statues at Eternity's Gate (one of the Celestials resembled the "One Above All" of the same species in the comics, so it's possible Arishem is only a Celestial judge of the lower realms.)
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I’m interested in the ones that were with the watcher at the end
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If all celestials are relative, then this supports 3-A scaling for anyone who reasonably scales to a Celestial - Afaik that would be Thor, Zeus, Thanos, Wanda, and pretty much anyone else who has statements of being “the most powerful one in the universe” or the likes.
Doubt it would ever get accepted, but certainly something to think about
Doubt it would ever get accepted, but certainly something to think about
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Best not say reasonably when it looks like characters such as Thor, Captain Marvel, and Hulk are going to be treated like planetary threats at best, with the Emergence episode supporting one or the other.
That is unless my dream of a Chaos War Rune King Thor Ragnarok Thor 5 does happen. That way Thor can shoot up for a moment (before being reborn) and we can get Baldur.
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This excerpt says that the TVA is outside of time and reality, and Gwen going from Earth-65 (from the comics multiverse) to the TVA is a 'fall between the cracks of reality'. Stated after "welcoming all timelines and people, including those who fall between the cracks of reality."
Isn't this a blatant statement that Gwen was just timeline-hopping? The excerpt could've said "from another reality or multiverse", but didn't do that.
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Yeah, I wish this wasn't the case, would have been much cooler if he was something special but meh. Guess all Celestials are 3-A
I wouldn't call Arishem fodder though, he still ranks pretty high, just not supremely. Calling him fodder because Agatha had to absorb the power of several Eternals, one Celestial and his own would be like calling Superman fodder after Luthor would have poisoned him with kryptonite, exposed to a red sun and used Magic to weaken him to defeat him. It's not fodder, at all.
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Yeah why is that even a thing? Like, why?
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would agatha being able to absorb the powers of celestials make lady death/rio vidal possibly at least celestial tier since agatha cant absorb death’s powers bc it would kill her or is that just hax
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I think it's more likely to be about Death's hax not really about power level
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Same idea. It's just Death being...well, Death. So beyond everything that Agatha's powers simply can't do that.
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Yes it seems marvel comics is just apart of the multiverse in different timelines it fits with Spiderverse showing comics as one of the timelines to and this would fit with Kevin world seeing both as fiction there’s also the crossover with avengers campus spidey who is also stated to be a variant in multiverse and he showed up in the comics to
This excerpt says that the TVA is outside of time and reality, and Gwen going from Earth-65 (from the comics multiverse) to the TVA is a 'fall between the cracks of reality'. Stated after "welcoming all timelines and people, including those who fall between the cracks of reality."
Isn't this a blatant statement that Gwen was just timeline-hopping? The excerpt could've said "from another reality or multiverse", but didn't do that.
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I feel like there's 100% confirmation for all of this. I wonder when a CRT will be made.
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I finished watching episode 3 of What If...? season 3.
- Red Guardian is capable of evenly fighting with the
Winter FoxWinter Soldier, backing up the statements from the Character Encyclopedia - Goliath is capable of keeping up with a speeding car, breaking through the side of a barn, and using a windmill as a weapon. He's also unaffected by gunfire and deflects a shot from a grenade launcher
- Red Guardian is able to stagger Goliath with a shield throw and knock him down after jumping on him, and later uses his shield to block a punch from him
- Winter Soldier's bionic arm is able to hurt Goliath, knocking him down with a jumping strike to the face
- I guess implies that Obadiah Stane arranged the assassinations of Howard and Maria Stark in the main timeline too?
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