MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread

[PsychoWarper]

I watched this video and I think it manages to sum up my problem with recent MCU villains that I had but couldn't explain properly before. In Phase 1 and 2 MCU villains were criticized for being boring, and while the newer ones are an improvement, the newer MCU villain seem to all fit this trope of "politically sympathetic goals". Vulture, Killmonger, Flag Smashers, maybe even Thanos to an extent.

The problem is that they make these villains too sympathetic on the ideology side and don't actually explore those beliefs, challenge the hero on what's right and wrong and almost every time the story ends with the villain doing some over-the-top villainous shit to tell the audience that they're the bad guys and then the hero being like "I agree with your ideas but violence bad!" and then proceed to use violence to beat the shit out of them which is a very weak message.

I can see this as well I think its worst with Killmonger and the Flag Smashers especially since we almost got right but they couldn't quite go all the way with them.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

btw cinemas are closed here until at least April 20 so no Batman for me until online release

idk if Dr Strange will make it either since it could be extended

 

[PsychoWarper]

btw cinemas are closed here until at least April 20 so no Batman for me until online release

idk if Dr Strange will make it either since it could be extended

Oof... sorry man

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

My favorite Phase 1 Villain is either Red Skull or Obadiah Stane, i actually like these dudes better than some recent villains

Iron Monger is great and quotable
"Collateral damage Tony!"

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Iron Monger approaching at frightening speeds

 

[Dalesean027]

Iron Monger approaching at frightening speeds

The title versus the actual result

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

The title versus the actual result

it's frightening for his size

 

[Dalesean027]

it's frightening for his size

I'd handle it if he was running at me

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

I'd handle it if he was running at me

He doesn't tire
you do

 

[Dalesean027]

He doesn't tire
you do

Smh I'd handle it

All it takes is me simply extending my arm

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

This actually sounds like a pretty fun idea
How long one could survive against MCU Villains

 

[Dalesean027]

This actually sounds like a pretty fun idea
How long one could survive against MCU Villains

Better yet how long can Ned Survive with his sling ring, laptop, and some wifi going through the area's of the final battles in these movies

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Imagine if the Three Wombats had a Team Profile

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Better yet how long can Ned Survive with his sling ring, laptop, and some wifi going through the area's of the final battles in these movies

Assuming that is just him as a bystander
Iron Man 1: Would most likely die due to COLLATERAL DAMAGE once Tony and Stane take the fight to the road
Incredible Hulk: Might actually have a good chance at lasting this one out since Hulk was mostly centered on Abomination during the fight (unless he does the cop car trick with him)
Iron Man 2: Would die once Iron Man uses his spinny laser attack
Avengers: Gets crushed to death by rubble during the begining of the fight
Ned has regular human reaction speeds so he wouldn't be able to react to most of these things in enough time to use his ring

 

[Dalesean027]

Aren't team profiles a thing that was in discussion or something

 

[Dalesean027]

Assuming that is just him as a bystander
Iron Man 1: Would most likely die due to COLLATERAL DAMAGE once Tony and Stane take the fight to the road
Incredible Hulk: Might actually have a good chance at lasting this one out since Hulk was mostly centered on Abomination during the fight (unless he does the cop car trick with him)
Iron Man 2: Would die once Iron Man uses his spinny laser attack
Avengers: Gets crushed to death by rubble during the begining of the fight
Ned has regular human reaction speeds so he wouldn't be able to react to most of these things in enough time to use his ring

The moment when you have to speed equalize Ned to get him through the plots but yeah without it he'd be blitzed in the areas of the battles

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Just wait and see as Sorcerer Ned Supreme becomes a thing in (ur) MoM

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Alternate version of Ned where he becomes a supervillain and tries to kill Peter

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Alternate version of Ned where he becomes a supervillain and tries to kill Peter

A Ned so powerful he doesn't even need to be connected to the Dark Dimension or be in the Mirror Dimension to do stuff like this:

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

I want "Ned thinks" to be a valid argument for vs debates

 

[Dalesean027]

I want "Ned thinks" to be a valid argument for vs debates

...could Ned hack Stains suits, he hacked Peter's suit which is clearly more advanced sooo?


Ned thinks so my vote goes to him lol

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I want "Ned thinks" to be a valid argument for vs debates

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

...could Ned hack Stains suits, he hacked Peter's suit which is clearly more advanced sooo?

Maybe he could, but is anything stopping Stane from hopping out and using his funny sound thingy?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

...could Ned hack Stains suits, he hacked Peter's suit which is clearly more advanced sooo?

Did he do it wirelessly?

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Did he do it wirelessly?

he plugged his laptop to the suit irrc

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

he plugged his laptop to the suit irrc
edit: he didn't

So Ned just has to find a port on Stane's suit or find a computer connected to it (Like with Natasha and the War Machine suit in IM2)?

 

[Dalesean027]

Hear me out he pretends to be Stain's guy in the chair and when he doesn't suspect it uploads some sort of malware that give him control of the suit either to the suit directly or a server directly connected to it

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

So Ned just has to find a port on Stane's suit or find a computer connected to it (Like with Natasha and the War Machine suit in IM2)?

Yeah i guess (although the suit is very crude i don't see why it would have a port)

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Hear me out he pretends to be Stain's guy in the chair and when he doesn't suspect it uploads some sort of malware that give him control of the suit

No Ned would never do this i'm shaking and crying rn

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Yeah i guess (although the suit is very crude i don't see why it would have a port)

Duh, isn't it obvious

Spoiler

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Stane just really wanted the suit to have a USB port for some reason
it has no practical use he just really likes USB's

 

[Dalesean027]

I was going to send a senator armstrong meme to explain why but that works lol

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Since Iron Monger is 3 meters tall (qualifies for Large Size) could KE be used to calculate his AP?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Since Iron Monger is 3 meters tall (qualifies for Large Size) could KE be used to calculate his AP?

Eh, no. We don't use KE for people running otherwise we'd be getting 9-B humans, that and I doubt it'll get higher than his current rating. I don't think KE is applicable here.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Eh, no. We don't use KE for people running otherwise we'd be getting 9-B humans, that and I doubt it'll get higher than his current rating. I don't think KE is applicable here.

Doesn't the large size calculations page say KE is good for large sized characters?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Doesn't the large size calculations page say KE is good for large sized characters?
I was also thinking about using his flight speed

I'm pretty sure we don't use KE for large size characters anymore.

Also he needs to impact something in order to even use KE, he doesn't do anything like that.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

I'm pretty sure we don't use KE for large size characters anymore.

Also he needs to impact something in order to even use KE, he doesn't do anything like that.

Also i just checked and running speed is used for KE
He does impact the door in his run btw
Tho the KE of that is 9-C

 

[TypeOU]

I watched this video and I think it manages to sum up my problem with recent MCU villains that I had but couldn't explain properly before. In Phase 1 and 2 MCU villains were criticized for being boring, and while the newer ones are an improvement, the newer MCU villain seem to all fit this trope of "politically sympathetic goals". Vulture, Killmonger, Flag Smashers, maybe even Thanos to an extent.

The problem is that they make these villains too sympathetic on the ideology side and don't actually explore those beliefs, challenge the hero on what's right and wrong and almost every time the story ends with the villain doing some over-the-top villainous shit to tell the audience that they're the bad guys and then the hero being like "I agree with your ideas but violence bad!" and then proceed to use violence to beat the shit out of them which is a very weak message.

since you mentioned FATWS, I'm contractually obligated to remind everyone here that john walker did nothing wrong.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

What are the Eternals feats that need calculating btw?

Also regarding the Morbius bullet feat in the new trailer it might not be as impressive as expected since Morbius isn't moving at normal speed relative to the slow motion either. Although considering his hand seemed to move at a similar speed with the bullet it might still get like supersonic or hypersonic.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

What if John Walker met John Runner

Also regarding the Morbius bullet feat in the new trailer it might not be as impressive as expected since Morbius isn't moving at normal speed relative to the slow motion either. Although considering his hand seemed to move at a similar speed with the bullet it might still get like supersonic or hypersonic.

Neat