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MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread

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Btw talking about Thor what are your expectations for what if s2?
Here some what if i Think should be made
What if Wanda got killed by the stark missle (ultron isn't created, vision isn't created, cw Doesn't happen so avengers don't split)
What if the other half was erased
Don't have any other idea now outside of maybe what if star lord joined ego or cap killed stark in cw
 
chosen said:
Btw talking about Thor what are your expectations for what if s2?
Here some what if i Think should be made
What if Wanda got killed by the stark missle (ultron isn't created, vision isn't created, cw Doesn't happen so avengers don't split)
What if the other half was erased
Don't have any other idea now outside of maybe what if star lord joined ego or cap killed stark in cw
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For Season 2:
  • What if Hydra won during WW2
  • What if Ultron was a hero
  • What if Quicksilver survived instead of Wanda in AoU
  • What if the heroes were villains and the villains were heroes
  • What if Thanos attacked Earth instead of Loki in the Avengers
  • What if Hela and Odin were still conquerors
  • What if Ronan killed Thanos (With the power stone?)
 
Just finished watching "What If...?" episode 7. Pretty good episode overall, and better than I was expecting.


Party Thor should be comparable to his main timeline self, as he seems the same powerwise, just with a different personality. I'm not sure if his storm feats are more impressive than the ones from his main counterpart that have already been calced. Thor and Captain Marvel send each other flying considerable distances across the globe, though I'm not sure what results those would get. Thor also uses his lightning to restore power to a large area that was in a blackout. Also worth noting that the Watcher's montage at the beginning showing events from the main universe showed that Thor withstood getting frozen by the Casket of Ancient Winters as a child by Loki.

Captain Marvel was compared to 10 nuclear bombs by Nick Fury, which is a decent supporting statement. She also gets to demonstrate her energy absorption powers against Thor. She specifically states she was holding back from using her full power against Thor, and seemed more annoyed by his attacks than anything, so the pre existing scaling is preserved.

Unless we give Party Thor a profile, there aren't really any profiles that I could see being made from this episode, as Captain Marvel essentially is the same as her main timeline counterpart. Frost Giant Loki was neat, but has no actual combat feats.

Infinity Ultron has arrived. And even the Watcher is shocked.
 
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Colonel_Krukov said:
For Season 2:
  • What if Hydra won during WW2
  • What if Ultron was a hero
  • What if Quicksilver survived instead of Wanda in AoU
  • What if the heroes were villains and the villains were heroes
  • What if Thanos attacked Earth instead of Loki in the Avengers
  • What if Hela and Odin were still conquerors
  • What if Ronan killed Thanos
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Thanos one will end Like thanos wins but with less blood
I would love to see thanos bodying the avengers by himself again
 
Dinobot1996 said:
I just want to see a battle between Iron Man and Wenwu. To me, that would be one of the biggest missed opportunities if the series never includes it in a future season, considering we'll never see that matchup in the main universe.
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What if Iron Man was on the warpath for the 10 rings? Seems plausible. Maybe he stumbles across Shang-Chi and he becomes a teenage Iron-Man?
 
Party Thor episode seen. It was...fun. Simple as that

Two really interesting things:
  • Carol arrives to clean up the mess caused by Thor's giant party over the planet and they end up fighting. They're roughly equal, Thor takes more of a beating than Carol but he endures her strikes pretty well and gives her brutal punches that cause her to fly, scream in pain and phaze her more than once. He defeats her by putting Mjolnir on her and she can't get it away.
  • At the end of the episode, Uatu (would is clearly visible in human form), says Thor and Jane will live happily ever after...and then is surprised when a portal opens before Thor, revealing red Ultron Sentries and the final shot of the episode is their leader. Ultron with five Infinity Stones who takes off his mechanical helmet and reveals Vision's face with the Mind Stone on it. So yeah. He won.
 
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Colonel_Krukov said:
For Season 2:
  • What if Hydra won during WW2
  • What if Ultron was a hero
  • What if Quicksilver survived instead of Wanda in AoU
  • What if the heroes were villains and the villains were heroes
  • What if Thanos attacked Earth instead of Loki in the Avengers
  • What if Hela and Odin were still conquerors
  • What if Ronan killed Thanos (With the power stone?)
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I want the Hydra, Ronan and above all Hela and Odin episode. I also want a Tony vs Wenwu episode
 
Colonel_Krukov said:
For Season 2:
  • What if Hydra won during WW2
  • What if Ultron was a hero
  • What if Quicksilver survived instead of Wanda in AoU
  • What if the heroes were villains and the villains were heroes
  • What if Thanos attacked Earth instead of Loki in the Avengers
  • What if Hela and Odin were still conquerors
  • What if Ronan killed Thanos (With the power stone?)
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For me i want the scenario where Thanos killed off Thor instead Loki in the beginning of IW
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Party Thor episode seen. It was...fun. Simple as that

Two really interesting things:
  • Carol arrives to clean up the mess caused by Thor's giant party over the planet and they end up fighting. They're roughly equal, Thor takes more of a beating than Carol but he endures her strikes pretty well and gives her brutal punches that cause her to fly, scream in pain and phaze her more than once. He defeats her by putting Mjolnir on her and she can't get it away.
  • At the end of the episode, Uatu (would is clearly visible in human form), says Thor and Jane will live happily ever after...and then is surprised when a portal opens before Thor, revealing red Ultron Sentries and the final shot of the episode is their leader. Ultron with five Infinity Stones who takes off his mechanical helmet and reveals Vision's face with the Mind Stone on it. So yeah. He won.
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Interesting that Thor doesn't find any of her strikes to actually be painful (at least beyond low level pain) until both of them are getting serious about fighting near the end of the whole party shtick.

Left the whole Party Thor vs Captain Marvel scaling a bit up in the air.
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
I don't think Party Thor should get a profile honestly, aside from his personnality, he's basically like his main timeline version

Good thing though, we can already give Portal Creation and Dimensional Travel to Ultron/Vision
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Not really....
This is bassically ultron with The infinite stones remember
Space Stone already had portal creation
It also had dimensional travel based on a ig guide
 
Arent we going to talk abt the fact that Carol's punch is equal to 10Nuclear bombs? That's a massive upgrade, and thor was tanking the punches even though she was not using her full powers that's neatly above baseline island level

Also they were literally punching eachother from one continent to another, even both bfr'd eachother to space with a single punch, Thor effortlessly powered a city or is it a continent.
The calc for those punches need to calculated.
Also Surtur was in his giant form and was afraid of Frigga which means Frigga Scales to maintimeline Odin who defeated prime Surtur.
 
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Not really....
This is bassically ultron with The infinite stones remember
Space Stone already had portal creation
It also had dimensional travel based on a ig guide
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Um not really. He has the Stones (and hopefully he will demonstrate new powers of the Stones we've never seen before), he has Vision body, he's an entirely different character. Obviously, he will get his own profile when the time comes
 
chosen said:
How it is an massive upgrade then?
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Maybe not a massive upgrade
chosen said:
Base thanos was already baseline
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I think he is slightly above baseline
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AT Best would be something for ap if something appears and make cm overpowering outlier Like her losing to thor or something Like giving context to that
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She didn't lose to thor because she was weaker they both were holding back but fury comparing her punches to 10 nuclear bombs confirmed was also confirmed when she said if she went all out she could blow a crater on the planet which wasnt worth the casualities.
 
MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer said:
Btw, how does The Watcher not see Infinite Ultron coming?
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He said he spoke too soon
One thing we should note is that he is watching and speaking to us simultaneously from literally infinite universes narrating stories as though he already knew the end, so there was no way Ultron appearance could've surprised him, that was just some kind of unnecessary reaction to thicken the intensity of the situation.
 
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