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And Sonic, Shadow, and Silver didn’t gain higher dimensional existence from Super Forms, but were able to fight Solaris.
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I think it's up in the air at the moment.Can someone summarize what exactly are the qualifications for Immeasurable speed or is that discussed up in the air?
The OP said statements like these aren't reliable anymore. Not like it directly states he transcends time, more like an implication.Solaris is a "transcendent life form that exists in the past, present and future".
Solaris isn't Omnipresent through space."A being that is not only omnipresent throughout space,
Solaris doesn't have one body that exists throughout time. Here it's outright stated that affecting him in the present won't do anything to the other points in time. He doesn't even exist in every point in time only a part of the past, a part of the present and a part of the future. Here Shadow says it might've been possible if Sonic was still there. They can't destroy them all at once unless there's three of them, which further implies he's just part of three points in time not all of it.but also time, would also be able to react to every attack from a being with normal speed before the opponent would even begin to throw the attack. This is the case because such a being would exist throughout all of time, experiencing past, presence and future at once while not being bound to the normal flow of time."
As I see itCan someone summarize what exactly are the qualifications for Immeasurable speed or is that still up in the air?
That is pretty much it, yes, but it seems to cause an enormous amount of confusion, even though it is pretty straightforward. Likely due to that different fictions use entirely different rules for this.As I see it
Being unbound by linear time
Time-travelling via sheer speed alone (case by case basis)
Yea, also the description on the speed page is confusing tbh first time I saw it I did not understand anything it saidThat is pretty much it, yes, but it seems to cause an enormous amount of confusion, even though it is pretty straightforward. Likely due to that different fictions use entirely different rules for this.
From previous thread, cases like:Can someone summarize what exactly are the qualifications for Immeasurable speed or is that still up in the air?
I did not plan to discuss this here since this thread was created for a different purpose but since you asked, the main problem I have with it is that Immeasurable speed rating is often treated as something that is beyond infinite. And that's not true. It simply means what it means, that is, something that cannot be measured. It doesn't have to be beyond infinite for being unquantifiable. It could be literally any value.Would this be acceptable, or do you still prefer to delete the speed level?
Does being able to exist in several dimensions (and move in them) that are separated by space and time grant immeasurable speed if you're there at the same time?Transcending space & time yourself, independent of any realm or location
Yes, the cases I mentioned prior are examples of something that is beyond infinite. That's why I am not proposing to change how people treat immeasurable.I believe that Immeasurable has good reason to be treated as above Infinite. Infinite can move a finite distance in zero time, while immeasurable could do that and more, by being able to move a finite distance into the past.
Well, then we simply don't agree on this notion. We have a standard that should be applied to all verses equally to remain consistent. For example, if you can destroy a universe with town level AP in one piece of fiction for whatever reason, we don't rate those characters as universal. We just assume that their supposed universe is smaller and keep them as town level. This is similar. If it's not outright immeasurable speed and just comes from time traveling via speed, we have no reason to assume they are beyond infinite.This is all a lengthy way to say, I don't think FTL being treated as immeasurable in some series means that immeasurable can't be above infinite. It just means that different pieces of fiction define their "infinite" speed at different levels, some accurate to reality, most inaccurate.
Well, then we simply don't agree on this notion. We have a standard that should be applied to all verses equally to remain consistent. For example, if you can destroy a universe with town level AP in one piece of fiction for whatever reason, we don't rate those characters as universal. We just assume that their supposed universe is smaller and keep them as town level.
I worded things badly there. In a series where FTL characters can time travel, I don't think they should be given Immeasurable.
If it's not outright immeasurable speed and just comes from time traveling via speed, we have no reason to assume they are beyond infinite.
Immeasurable involves time traveling via speed, that's pretty much how it's defined. As long as they're not implied to have it merely by being FTL, or implied to still have a finite speed, then I think characters who time travel via speed should get immeasurable.
This and this. Treat it as a case by case basis and the issue ends.So is like I said about time travel via speed
Case by case basis
From what I heard, it sounds like a thread about this didn't happen too long ago. Ant also doesn't want another one since relevant knowledgeable members have since stopped posting.At this point, we need to have a thread to discuss what Immeasurable Speed in general should be considered as and what the requirements for said speed should be.
With everyone having various different confusions, issues and definitions of what the speed is and how to get it, this has moved beyond simply defining the requirements but now defining the speed itself.
Should we close the thread then? Or continue with the characters that are in doubt here?From what I heard, it sounds like a thread about this didn't happen too long ago. Ant also doesn't want another one since relevant knowledgeable methods have since stopped posting.
I was just askingChill out. Slow down. We should not unilaterally be making decisions like that. Just relax and we'll wait for other people to comment.
A lot of shit was brought up recently. We don't need to go from "Please give a consistent list of requirements" to "OKAY ARE WE CLOSING THIS THREAD OR ARE WE DISCUSSING THE CHARACTERS?" within 30 minutes after input from only 3 people.