Major Guilty Gear Revision (didn't expect this to be a thing again)

[Ikelaggan]

It's been a while since I made a thread like this, but I'll start with tackling stuff that should been added like forever ago Like Axl Low Getting approved for Acausality type 5 and Non-Physical Interaction for Bedman like almost 2-3 years ago. This would be not only be granted to Axl but should also be applied to at least I-No in her God form when the power she bestowed on humanity when they saw her Giant Astral projection. which included Freedom from old age, hunger, disease, power, status, appearance, Location, and even Time. which that on its own would be a Power Bestowal that grants Paraconsistent Physiology type 1 and Immeasurable Speed on top of I-No being stated to transcend time as a Concept. this would also apply Non-Physical Interaction as well as Immeasurable speed to everyone she fights in said God form which would be Nagoriyuki, Ky Kiske, Axl Low and Jack-O.



Now getting into stuff that should have been questioned the moment it was made. Anji Mito should not scale to anything of Geena from this calc Mostly due to the logic of it being a calc using the Escape Velocity of the whole ship coming down on to earth and scan used to scale Anji mito to this feat is actually a chunk of gear flesh Launched by geena that's nowhere close to the mass of Genna or close even to those 20 km long gears in the calc. 6-A and Class P Lifting Strength should be removed from all profiles that have it.

Sol fighting I-No in Accent core plus Causes Space-time to spilt open from their clashes which would make Sol and I-no Low 2-C, Sol in Guilty Gear 2 Overture would be Low 1-C for Destroying the Spell of "the cube" making it inaccessible from even inside the space of the cube. The space of the cube is carved from the core of Backyard. this would apply to everyone in the scaling chain of high to god tiers.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

"Sol and I-No Low 2-C" Ayyy Low 2-C Baiken let's gooo

Been getting into Guilty Gear recently so I'm looking forward to seeing how this goes, especially in regardless to Axl Low, don't really have an opinion rn though.

 

[Vietthai96]

Reason for Aca 5?

Also transcending time alone isn't Immeasurable speed

Reason for Paraconsistent Physiology Type 1?

 

[Ikelaggan]

Reason for Aca 5?

Bedman states axl low's existence transcends cause and effect,

Also transcending time alone isn't Immeasurable speed

Reason for Paraconsistent Physiology Type 1?

When I-No Grant's humanity Freedom from old age, hunger, disease, power, status, appearance, Location, and even Time their no longer bound by these concepts. So it's at least paraconsistent type 1 from the small handful of concepts mentioned and Immeasurable speed because of their state of existence no longer being shackled by time.

 

[TheHedgememe]

Agreed. Guilty Gear's higher-end scaling always seemed pretty cut and dry to me.

 

[Vietthai96]

Bedman states axl low's existence transcends cause and effect,

When I-No Grant's humanity Freedom from old age, hunger, disease, power, status, appearance, Location, and even Time their no longer bound by these concepts. So it's at least paraconsistent type 1 from the small handful of concepts mentioned and Immeasurable speed because of their state of existence no longer being shackled by time.

1. I can't see anything from the video

2. No, unbound by concept of time isn't immeasurable speed amd being free from old age and things isn't Paraconsistent Physiology either, your existence need to violate logical duality for PP

 

[Ikelaggan]

1. I can't see anything from the video

I had to fix the link in that.

2. No, unbound by concept of time isn't immeasurable speed amd being free from old age and things isn't Paraconsistent Physiology either, your existence need to violate logical duality for PP

In guilty Gear the backyard defines information that shapes the fundamental truth of the world as well as the rules of nature. All of these concepts would form a logical duality difference in age, difference between locations, difference in power, difference between which point in time your in. So can you explain to me why would transcending time not be Immeasurable speed when it contextualized around time as a aspect of reality that being transcended.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Bedman states axl low's existence transcends cause and effect,

When I-No Grant's humanity Freedom from old age, hunger, disease, power, status, appearance, Location, and even Time their no longer bound by these concepts. So it's at least paraconsistent type 1 from the small handful of concepts mentioned and Immeasurable speed because of their state of existence no longer being shackled by time.

For Immeasurable, you need explicit proof they can travel through time by sheer movement/combat speed, or showings that their attacks can affect the past/future to make them undodgeable, yet they do anyways.

Both can be disproven if the verse has context to make any of this possible without involving sheer speed, for the record. But those two are the most direct ways to show Immeasurable.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

So can you explain to me why would transcending time not be Immeasurable speed when it contextualized around time as a aspect of reality that being transcended.

Because we don't give such speeds through those statements anymore. Needs explicit proof.

 

[Vietthai96]

I had to fix the link in that.

Anyway, transcending the laws of cause and effect is just, at best, acausality type 4, which he already has on his profile. From what I could see in your discussion with Glass, he seems to be unaffected by the reality-altering ability, but that could also be attributed to his Aca 4, for Aca 5 he need to be an immutable, unchanging existence. Since unaffected by the reality warping ability, it could be simply resistance

In guilty Gear the backyard defines information that shapes the fundamental truth of the world as well as the rules of nature. All of these concepts would form a logical duality difference in age, difference between locations, difference in power, difference between which point in time your in. So can you explain to me why would transcending time not be Immeasurable speed when it contextualized around time as a aspect of reality that being transcended.

Lephyr already explained the thing with Immeasurable, so I will just talk about Paraconsistent Physiology part. No, fundamental truth of the world or rules of nature hardly have anything to do with logical duality, you need proof for that logic to work, not assumption or extrapolation

 

[Ikelaggan]

Anyway, transcending the laws of cause and effect is just, at best, acausality type 4, which he already has on his profile. From what I could see in your discussion with Glass, he seems to be unaffected by the reality-altering ability, but that could also be attributed to his Aca 4, for Aca 5 he need to be an immutable, unchanging existence. Since unaffected by the reality warping ability, it could be simply resistance


Lephyr already explained the thing with Immeasurable, so I will just talk about Paraconsistent Physiology part. No, fundamental truth of the world or rules of nature hardly have anything to do with logical duality, you need proof for that logic to work, not assumption or extrapolation

I'll concede on those points. Is there any contentions on the 6-A removal and other additions.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Now getting into stuff that should have been questioned the moment it was made. Anji Mito should not scale to anything of Geena from this calc Mostly due to the logic of it being a calc using the Escape Velocity of the whole ship coming down on to earth and scan used to scale Anji mito to this feat is actually a chunk of gear flesh Launched by geena that's nowhere close to the mass of Genna or close even to those 20 km long gears in the calc. 6-A and Class P Lifting Strength should be removed from all profiles that have it.

As the staff that accepted the thread where this was applied, I would appreciate your thoughts here:

@GrathOfLux @Planck69 @KingTempest @Catzlaflame

 

[Planck69]

As the staff that accepted the thread where this was applied, I would appreciate your thoughts here:

@GrathOfLux @Planck69 @KingTempest @Catzlaflame

Ah! Panty shot flashbang

Anyways, I'm fine with the removal. I didn't have much familiarity with the verse and mostly went with the accepted calculation. If no one offers a counter explanation, then they can go back to their original tiers.

As for the rest of the thread, yeah without further showcase of being truly immutable then it would just be Type 4 Acausality and maybe Resistance to Causality Manipulation.

I do not see why just warping space-time would be Low 2-C though. Low 1-C seems fine since it seems to be scaling to a Low 1-C structure.

 

[Ikelaggan]

I do not see why just warping space-time would be Low 2-C though.

I pretty much assumed it would be a 4D feat from the clashes causing space-time to spread open.

 

[KingTempest]

Ah! Panty shot flashbang

Anyways, I'm fine with the removal. I didn't have much familiarity with the verse and mostly went with the accepted calculation. If no one offers a counter explanation, then they can go back to their original tiers.

As for the rest of the thread, yeah without further showcase of being truly immutable then it would just be Type 4 Acausality and maybe Resistance to Causality Manipulation.

I do not see why just warping space-time would be Low 2-C though. Low 1-C seems fine since it seems to be scaling to a Low 1-C structure.

^

 

[Planck69]

I pretty much assumed it would be a 4D feat from the clashes causing space-time to spread open.

You need to significantly affect an at least universe sized space-time continuum to qualify for Low 2-C. As it stands, this is just Space-time Manipulation for both characters involved.

 

[Ikelaggan]

You need to significantly affect an at least universe sized space-time continuum to qualify for Low 2-C. As it stands, this is just Space-time Manipulation for both characters involved.

I can live it being just space-time manipulation for Sol and I-No

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I am also fine with Planck's and Vietthai's conclusions and don't really have anything else to add.

What has been accepted can be applied.

 

[Theglassman12]

Not really seeing Paraconsistent physiology from this. None of those things I-No is doing really talks about a logical negation. Immeasurable speed I'm also not really seeing since again, you need to prove that transcending time as a whole is implied to be about them literally moving through time, without it Immeasurable speed won't work.

The I-No and Sol stuff that would just be space-time hax and not exactly anything that's Low 2-C related.

Anji calc change should be fine and Acausality NPI might be ok but I'm not too knowledgeable on GG to verify if the type 5 acausality stuff has anything to do with him being uninteractable or something akin to that for Axl.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

The Sol and I-No stuff is weird, the text (unless it’s just Guilty Gear XX having a bad english translation, but we could talk about that) reads like because they are so powerful, space time split “wide open”, when they clashed, thus it’s a power thing. So it just being plain Space Time Manip (especially since to my knowledge, Sol doesn’t have something like that normally, I may be wrong) doesn’t sit right with me, so I’m more on the side of it being Low 2-C (definitely do not agree with that feat in particular being Low 1-C though cuz they aren’t in the Backyard when that happens)

Aside from that, I do at least agree with the Anji stuff being downgraded.

 

[Theglassman12]

For it to be Low 2-C, you need to affect an entire timeline with your power as opposed to a statement of just space and time being warped. That can be done at a localized area rather than something like an entire timeline

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

For it to be Low 2-C, you need to affect an entire timeline with your power as opposed to a statement of just space and time being warped. That can be done at a localized area rather than something like an entire timeline

Fair enough I suppose, I guess Limited Space Time Manip would work (more so for Sol because he doesn’t do that with his strikes normally from what I know)

Hopefully we’ll get 4-A from the Justice galaxy cluster statement but shhhh

I guess with the downgrade of the Anji stuff, wonder where the other characters would end up now.

 

[Kenny Mccormick 0v0]

guess with the downgrade of the Anji stuff, wonder where the other characters would end up now.

If 6-A got removed then the low tier character will return to 7-B based on potemkin instant kill. Bridget also have a feat where she throw opponent to the moon that I think it's worth calculation.

 

[Ikelaggan]

If 6-A got removed then the low tier character will return to 7-B based on potemkin instant kill. Bridget also have a feat where she throw opponent to the moon that I think it's worth calculation.

The Bridget one is a little dicey I've seen the speed reach into the 60% light speed range and get it's KE rejected

 

[God_of_perversion]

Bedman states axl low's existence transcends cause and effect,

When I-No Grant's humanity Freedom from old age, hunger, disease, power, status, appearance, Location, and even Time their no longer bound by these concepts. So it's at least paraconsistent type 1 from the small handful of concepts mentioned and Immeasurable speed because of their state of existence no longer being shackled by time.

Transcending cause and effect isn't enought for aca5,you need to prove he is completely immune and unbound from any change to his existence

 

[Ikelaggan]

I can Conclude most staff so far have agreed to 6-A removal, Class P Removal, Further Low 1-C additions, and Possible Spacetime Manipulation.