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So, a few years ago, I kind of abandoned TES' profiles to the wolves. I've come to rectify that mistake, and fix up lots, and lots, and lots of issues that carried over from the first revisions. As you can probably already gather, this thread is pretty large, so, if you want a TL;DR of the proposals, scroll down to the end.
Jagar Tharn and the Eternal Champion
First things I need to address in this thread are the current ratings for both Jagar Tharn and The Eternal Champion. To be more specific, as it currently stands, they are both rated at High 4-C due to Tharn creating his own plane of oblivion, which, as shown by the intro of Arena, contained a star and multiple planets within itself.
The first issue that arises with this feat is the fact that it comes from this book, where a random historian off-handedly mentions that the aforementioned plane of oblivion was Tharn's own creation, with no real way of having possibly known or learned about that, as the book itself was written after the events of Arena, after which Jagar was long dead. Note, also, that this a verse where the Unreliable Narrator is one of the central pillars of the setting, and where regular people are frequently shown to be wrong and misinformed regarding several things about the cosmology. Given that, the feat is flimsy as is.
Furthermore, the current profile scales Tharn's general magical abilities to the Staff of Chaos as well, under the assumption that he absorbed its energy into himself. While it's true that he did drain the staff of all its magical power, it is explicitly noted that he suffused it into the Jewel of Fire, a completely separate artifact, and not into his own magical reserves:
In the interim between the start and end of Arena, where he no longer held the power of the Staff of Chaos, it's made blatantly clear that Jagar wasn't any more powerful than other Imperial Battlemages, either. For instance, we have this detail from the strategy guide for Battlespire, where he is said to have made a deal with Mehrunes Dagon to eliminate five powerful Battlemages in charge of administering a pocket reality of the same name. By the guide's own words, Tharn did so to eliminate competition, which implies they were at least capable of threatening him:
The Battlemages in charge of the Battlespire admitedly don't have enough feats for we to make an accurate comparision in scale to Tharn's, but purely for reference's sake, we can use Abnur Tharn as a benchmark. The reason being the fact Abnur is a Battlemage of the Second Era, a time period which far predates the decadent times of the main Elder Scrolls games, and where magic is far more powerful and abundant, meaning the Battlemages from back then are far stronger than those of the Third and Fourth Eras.
Abnur has plenty of good feats in the Elsweyr expansion of Elder Scrolls Online, but all of them demonstrate a strict cap to his power and likewise are far below the feats which Jagar and the Battlemages that threatened him would be capable of achieving, by the logic of the current profiles. For instance, he treats the power contained within an Aeonstone (An artifact utilized by the antagonists of the expansion, whose purpose is to amplify any magical energy introduced to it) being able to move a mountain as extremely impressive, and after he absorbs all of this energy and is amped far beyond his current level, he remarks that he feels like his old self again:
At the end of the story, a weakened Abnur, with the help of the dragon Nahfahlaar, then proceeds to contain the enegies of an exploding Aeonstone, which are stated multiple times to be capable of wiping Tamriel off the face of Nirn:
While the last feat does contradict the notion that an Aeonstone's power being able to move a mountain is a big deal, it still gives us a good idea of the scale in which Abnur and comparable beings are supposed to operate, which certainly goes against Tharn's currently-accepted feats regardless.
So, I obviously propose we take out the High 4-C rating in Tharn's profile, which should be straightforward enough, since it only scales to one other character. As for his new tier: Given that him and the Eternal Champion are treated as peers in both power and intellect by the end of the game, they should just scale above Passwall, which was already calced at 8-B, but given that the Staff of Chaos is itself treated as an incredibly powerful artifact within the setting, I believe it's fair for Jagar to have a "likely far higher" rating when using it.
The Vestige's Justifications
Another problem to tackle here is a few descriptions present in The Vestige's profile, which at present are supposed to hold up their Low 2-C rating. To quote from the page itself:
Fought and defeated Mannimarco, who could damage the barriers between Mundus and Oblivion by breaking the Dragonfires and corrupting the Amulet of Kings with his Magic, leading to the Soulburst, an event where waves of mystical energies were released across all of Nirn, affecting even the Constellations of the Firmament.
This feat is worded in a way that misses some very important context behind what the Soulburst is, in the first place. To summarize it, I'll have to give it a brief outline of the setting of TES: Basically, Mundus, the multiverse where mortals live, is encompassed by Oblivion, an infinite blackness full of chaotic, often-hostile creatures known as "Daedra," which are prevented from entering the mortal plane and wrecking havoc by a barrier established between the two.
And this barrier, in turn, was created by a covenant between Akatosh, Dragon God of Time and Alessia, first ruler of the Cyrodiilic Empire, which is maintained by ritually lighting up the Dragonfires, something that can only be done by a Dragonborn Emperor in possession of the Amulet of Kings, a relic of Akatosh himself.
On account of all this, the Soulburst happened because Mannimarco tricked Varen Aquilarios, then emperor of Cyrodiil, into breaking Alessia's covenant with Akatosh and lighting the Dragonfires without being Dragonborn himself. It wasn't really a product of Mannimarco's power so much as of the botched ritual.
The only thing that might feasibly scale Mannimarco to the Soulburst itself is this lorebook, where it is stated that he used his magic to corrupt the power of the Amulet of Kings to accomplish it, but we really have no idea of what exactly that entails, and given how The Prophet directly says that the event itself was caused by his trickery of Varen, it's very obvious that the effects themselves were just part of a chain reaction.
Moving on:
Can defeat the Celestial Constellations of the Mage and the Warrior, who were both far more powerful than the Celestial Serpent's manifestation, which was going to destroy the very Laws of Reality and return Nirn to the non-linearity of the Dawn Era.
and defeated the Avatars of the Celestial Constellations in single combat, with the second weakest among them, the Serpent, being able to devour Nirn and destroy the laws of reality themselves, returning the Mortal Plane to the timeless and non-linear Dawn Era
Quoting the game proper on that one:
These sound largely fine on paper, but are missing some key details as to how, exactly, the Serpent was going to fulfill its plans. For context, the Celestial Constellations mentioned above are entities that live within Oblivion, as the embodiments of, well, constellations that exist as living, cosmic sources of magic, and since they live beyond Mundus they can only manifest within it using artifacts known as "Apex Stones," which regulate their power and allow them to exist in the multiverse without destroying it entirely:
However, due to the Serpent's malevolent nature, his Apex Stone acts not only as a controller for his power, but also as a seal, which prevents him from influencing the world to any significant degree:
So, it's pretty obvious that the Serpent was intending to "undermine the very nature of reality" and bring back Nirn's primordial days by breaking free from the seal of his Apex Stone and then destroying it, allowing his full power to manifest upon the mortal plane and bring it back to a state of chaos. As such, the feat is not Low 2-C to begin with, and neither does it scale to his manifestation which The Vestige defeats. So that justification should obviously be removed from their profile too.
And then we have the last two justifications, which pretty much hinge on the same thing:
In his Prime, Mannimarco was also far superior to Vanus Galerion, who in turn had enough magicaly power to be used as a battery to accelerate the Planemeld that was unraveling the fabric of reality and merging Nirn with Coldharbour, destroying it entirely.
Killed Angof the Gravesinger, who could seal the Ehlnofey who embody and define the very Laws of Reality across Nirn as a whole.
So, to summarize it: Nirn as a plane is very, very weird, and not at all like a normal planet in its entirety. As is known, its continents, for instance, are literally displaced throughout different points in the timeline: Yokuda being in the past, Tamriel in the present and Akavir in the future, and by sailing across the ocean, you are actually sailing across time:
Note that, although Hammerfell is what's stated to be in the past here, the context of the post as a whole is entirely about the continents, and Lord Vivec's Sword-Meeting with Cyrus the Restless in turn pretty much confirms that Yokuda is what's supposed to exist in the past:
And surprisingly, Elder Scrolls Online supports this, with the Augur of the Obscure commenting that the oceans of Nirn have extensions in higher-dimensional space:
And then there's Michael Kirkbride saying that Lyg, an alternate Tamriel that resides in a parallel dimension, is still on Nirn:
According to the 36 Lessons of Vivec, traveling between "Adjacent Places" also involves crossing "non-cardinal points," which, given the context where the term is used, is a pretty obvious reference to higher spatial dimensions, lending further credence to the idea that Nirn is actually a higher-dimensional construct:
But, regardless of all that, Nirn is also finite. Indeed, it's the only thing in the entire Aurbis that's finite and material by nature.
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Of course, in principle, affecting Nirn would still be a Low 2-C feat, but I believe we've never rated pocket dimensions that have their own flow of time as such in the past, for precedent's sake. So, as it stands, I can't really discard the possibility that a downgrade is in order here, though the tidbits regarding Lyg and the Adjacent Places up there might change this.
If the Vestige gets downgraded from Low 2-C, then their new rating would be 4-A, since they can defeat the Celestial Mage's manifestation, who warped the Aetherean Archive into a pocket dimension containing a starry sky (And whose staff contained a similarly large pocket realm), and Arum-Khal, a dro-m'Athra who created his own plane of existence that, likewise, also had starry skies in it, and which collapsed upon his death.
The Dovahkiin's High 6-A rating
This is the feat
These are the statements:
To address that feat, I'll just reiterate what I said above: Nirn is ******* weird, and its full extension is not like the Real World Earth in any way, shape or form, from the fact that its oceans exist in higher-dimensional space and bridge different points in time to parallel dimensions like Lyg being a part of it, added up to C0DA showing that its interior is also comprised entirely of clockwork and abstract equations. Putting it simply, equating it to our planet at all is impossible, which, in my eyes, already makes the above calculation unusable due to the assumptions it makes.
Keep in mind, also, that the feat originally comes from the Pocket Guide to the Empire, which is an in-universe document written by someone who most certainly wouldn't be able to verify if the whole world was indeed shaken by the Voice of the Greybeards, considering Tamriel is very isolated and rarely ever interacts with other continents, like Akavir (Nevermind the fact that Yokuda is gone.) This is important here because, again, The Elder Scrolls is a verse that places heavy emphasis on the existence of unreliable narrators, and the developers have stated multiple times that even they refrain from forming authoritative stances on it for the sake of keeping things open:
As a matter of fact, we also have something which directly contradicts the Pocket Guide, and by extension Todd Howard's statements: This is Ivarstead, a village which, as you can see, is located at the very basis of the Snow-Throat mountain, and directly below High Hrothgar, where the Greybeards live. Obviously, the village itself remains accessible throughout the entire game, even after the Greybeards unleash the full power of their Voice on you, which puts a heavy dent on the whole thing about all villages in the span of miles being damaged and/or destroyed by their Thu'um.
Given that, I think this is a golden example of a case where Death of the Author is to be applied, in regards to Todd's statements.
The other cornerstone of the High 6-A key is this calculation for Storm Call. Frankly, I don't have much to say on that one: Given that it's specifically as a Shout that calls forth storms, I see no reason to treat it as anything other than a summon, which is pretty obviously the intent here. Thus, tiering it based on the KE of the gathering clouds is not at all valid.
The Barbas-Hircine scaling
Another pillar of the current Low 2-C scaling in the profiles is, of course, Alduin. To be more specific, we currently scale The Dovahkiin's Low 2-C key to the restricted, Mundus-bound manifestation of Barbas, the hound and avatar of the Daedric Prince Clavicus Vile, because of the following statement done in the latter's quest:
And since Barbas, at the time, was weakened both due to being separated from Clavicus Vile and due to manifesting within Mundus during a time where the barriers between it and Oblivion were stronger than ever, we in turn scale him to Hircine, or more precisely, his aspects of Strength, Speed and Guile, which are manifested at the end of Morrowind's Bloodmoon expansion in order to battle the Nerevarine. And the Nerevarine, in turn, is used to scale Vivec and Dagoth Ur.
Needless to say, this has issues. Namely the fact that we're using the above statement to say that Barbas' manifestation is as powerful as the endgame Dovahkiin that defeated Alduin, which is plain wrong, considering that the questline in which this is stated is unlocked for completion very early into the game, more specifically at Level 10, which is obviously way before you grow powerful enough to be a match for Alduin.
So, what can Barbas and the rest scale to, then? Well, in Elder Scrolls Online, Barbas' complete manifestation can fight and, though ultimately defeated, put up a fight against the Vestige, meaning that they are to be the new lynchpin of the scaling chain. Of course, the Dovahkiin scales to a manifestation of Barbas that, as mentioned before, was very weakened and at only half of his normal power due to being separated from Clavicus Vile, so they're significantly below the incarnation that the Vestige fights against, but not to the degree they don't scale.
Furthermore, Vivec is directly stated to be above Divayth Fyr, who by the time of the Third Era was powerful enough to overpower Sheogorath's manifestation and banish him from the Mundus, to the point that Vivec himself states thay Fyr is the only mage he knows that can "send the jackanape-god into tears," which means he'd likely scale above Barbas, regardless.
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The Jills
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Capable of manipulating the very fabric of time, weaving, cutting and stitching it into new forms and patterns. Responsible for mending Dragon Breaks, events wherein the linearity of Nirn's timeline shatters and the world momentarily returns to a state of non-linear untime, by weaving the broken tapestry of time back together, correcting any and all contradictions and paradoxes that occurred during it.
This shouldn't be Low 2-C: Dragonbreaks are, by and large, localized events. The prime example of that is the Warp in the West, which had its effects restricted to the region of Iliac Bay, and is the one named Dragonbreak which was pieced together by the Jills' handiwork.
This means that the Jills aren't really affecting the fabric of time on an universal scale, so their abilities should just be considered hax, and not AP. Since they have no feats other than this, they should go to Unknown.
Vivec's Justifications
Completely transcendent over the concept of linear time, existing both outside and beyond it.
Yeah, even at a glance, you can tell this isn't the strongest of justifications. And it's wrong, too: Vivec is explicitly not completely beyond time, and at least in his weakened state, his physical aspect does exist within it, as well, with only his divine consciousness being a part of the timeless world of the gods. In fact, he makes a direct distinction between him, who exists within and outside of time simultaneously, and other, completely immortal Gods, who are fully beyond time:
So, that tidbit of his AP section should be removed. Same with his Immeasurable Speed, for the above reasons.
The High 8-C ratings
So, currently the crux of the High 8-C ratings of the verse lie on the Giants, which are rated where they are due to this calc. Straightforward enough. No issues here, as far as I can discern.
The real problem, however, is in how they are being used to scale the rest of the verse's low-tiers. For instance, these three characters are rated at the same level as them based pretty much entirely on speculation that they can, in fact, battle and kill a Giant, with basically no real feats of doing so. Worst is the one in the middle, which literally has "May have fought a Giant in his journeys" as justification, which obviously shouldn't fly by any means.
And then, we have characters like Aela and Cicero, the former of which actually does have a feat of fighting and killing a Giant alongside her Companions, as seen here. Should be fine, yes? No. As you can see in the video linked, the battle in question as portrayed in the game is... visually extremely vague, which is important here, since The Elder Scrolls is a verse where the developers and writers make it exceedingly clear that the games are just a representation of the world as described in the lore, which doesn't always match up with how things actually are. For instance:
Moreover, even in this representation, you can see the Companions are using sharp weaponry like swords and arrows, which is noteworthy since Giants are demonstrably not impervious to them, as shown in this lorebook, where a Nord warrior manages to kill one in spite of the large difference in physical strength between them by dodging his attacks and stabbing him with a bunch of daggers:
So, due to that, I'd say it's quite a stretch to assume that the Companions are physically matching the Giant in a strength contest as opposed to just outsmarting him and taking advantage of their greater speed and far smaller builds.
As such, relevant characters should just be rated at 9-B, on account of the large numbers of feats in this range listed in this blog.
On Aetherius
This part should be relatively straightforward, so, alright. As already established on the current profiles, Oblivion as a whole is an infinite-dimensional space:
And Aetherius, in turn, encompasses Oblivion as a larger infinity, much like Oblivion encompasses Mundus and Mundus itself encompasses the Plane(t)s of the Gods:
And not only is it a larger infinite space, but also referred to as "the real world" in comparison to Mundus, and since Oblivion is contained within it as well, it's only natural that the same relationship exists between them too:
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As such, Aetherius should just be Low 1-A instead of High 1-B, and this should scale to some of the stronger Et'Ada of the Aurbis, like Aka, Lorkhan and Magnus, as well as the primordial forms of some of the Divines, who helped shape the realm of Aetherius into existence to begin with.
Alduin and the Kalpic Cycle
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Alduin is the World-Eater who brings about the End of Time by completely devouring the current Kalpa, destroying the very laws of reality as defined by the Ehlnofey and resetting Nirn back to the Dawn Era, whose end marks the beginning of a new Kalpa.
So, the idea that Alduin eats Nirn alone to bring about the end of the Kalpa is something I find very disagreeable. For one, here is a statement from Divayth Fyr, one of the most powerful and knowledgeable mages in the Aurbis, that strongly implies Mundus as a whole goes through this cycle:
And this is not the only thing showcasing as much. Here is another statement, by Michael Kirkbride this time:
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So, basically a reiteration of what we already acknowledge on his profile: Once Alduin devours the Kalpa, existence is returned to the Dawn Era, where the Convention between the Et'Ada at the Tower of Ada-Mantia occurs and reality is stabilized "once again," but in a slightly different form this time around.
This entire process being limited to Nirn alone is pretty absurd, considering that the concept of linear time as established by the laws of Akatosh is very obviously something that permeates throughout the whole of the Mundus, hence why he is one of the eight aedric gods whose influence sustains the whole realm, and who exists as a fundamental part of it. In essence, Mundus is the only part of the Aurbis that is inherently bound by linearity and exactness, and everything outside of it eternally partakes in the untime of the Dawn Era.
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Thus, it logically follows that Alduin in fact devours the entire Mundus, and by extension the Eight Aedra that sustain it, meaning he ought to scale to them. And this, in turn, opens up the doors for quite a few interesting things. One of them being this statement:
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Mind you, this doesn't really contradict Skyrim treating Alduin as a child of Akatosh and as someone who is subject to the latter's authority to judge and punish. To explain why, I'll have to talk a bit about the new details about the Khajiiti religion which Elder Scrolls Online's Elsweyr expansion introduced, which shed some new light on the Dragon Gods:
As you can see, Alkhan, the Khajiit's equivalent of Alduin, is established as being not the firstborn of Alkosh (Their version of Akatosh), but of another deity called "Akha," who precedes Alkosh and is in fact considered to be first of all gods. Akha, in turn, has several overlaps with the entity known as "Aka," which in some texts is heavily implied to be the original form of the Dragon God that fragmented itself to create the most basic and primordial concept of time that spilled all over the Aurbis, which was non-linear, multi-faceted and simply allowed the previously ineffable Et'Ada to define themselves and form proper identities:
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Furthermore, in-universe, Alduin is in fact attested to have predated Akatosh as a mythological/religious figure, with the entire Imperial religion being acknowledged as a fabrication that came about after Alessia syncretized the religion of the Nords with that of the Altmer, while the actual existence of these deities is presumably a result of the faith and belief of mortals shaping reality, as well as the non-linear nature of the Dawn Era making it so every possible version of the setting is simultaneously true.
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And even Michael Kirkbride talks about aspects of the Dragon God that are particularly ancient and important, such as the Aka-Tusk (As in, a tusk of Aka), which he explains is a facet dating back to the days of the Ehlnofey, when Humans and Elves were the same race, and which the Aldudagga states is the being from which Alduin was created:
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Obviously, if Alduin ends up scaling to High 1-B, then so does the Dovahkiin. Same with Miraak.
CHIM and its Ruling Kings
For this one, I'll have to comment a bit on the current logic used by the profiles, for summary's sake:
Despite the several allusions to the cosmology of the Aurbis being comprised of the three usual realms, Mundus – Oblivion – Aetherius, as of recently, TES has been frequently talking about there being things that lie even further beyond these worlds. The majority of the statements making reference to that coming from Elder Scrolls Online and its expansions, as seen below:
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Those are all very recent, but the idea that the true extent of existence extends beyond even Aetherius actually dates back to the times of Morrowind, where a NPC brings up the possibility of there being up to 40 creational gradients separating mortals from the divine.
Lawrence Schick, former Loremaster of the series, also comments on the concept of the universe being a structure comprised of worlds within worlds (Or wheels within wheels) in a podcast, and says that Sotha Sil's Clockwork City is basically this very concept made manifest and emulated/recapitulated in a concrete form, with the end result being that it has multiple layers that may or may not have an end to them, according to him.
And all of this, in turn, was talked about by Michael Kirkbride since a long while ago. In fact, one of his in-character comments actually establishes that there is an infinite number of wheels that stretch all the way back to the most primordial levels of existence:
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Thus, the full extent of the regression of worlds beyond Aetherius is considered 1-A+, with the Ruling Kings who attained CHIM, like Vivec and Talos, in turn being rated at "possibly 1-A+" by scaling from it. And, personally, I think the rating itself more solid than this, specifically because, according to Vivec, attaining CHIM is, in fact, a return to the very first interaction between Anu and Padomay:
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And as some of you may already know, CHIM itself is obtained once an individual perceives the true nature of reality as a part and byproduct of God by looking at the "Wheel" of the Aurbis sideways, perceiving the "O" as an "I" and thereby catching a glimpse of the oneness of the universal self:
And this is important because the realms beyond Aetherius are explicitly still structured like Wheels, which means that the ideal of the Tower extends into them as well. This is exemplified by the fact that, as Vivec states, Mundus is a smaller wheel within a wheel, and thus it also reflects the Tower in its structure just as the Aurbis as a whole does, and can allow an individual to attain CHIM that way, with the only difference here being that its border is much easier to reach and visualize:
Thus, CHIM as a state of being definitely reaches beyond the regression of Wheels as a whole, and not just the World-Egg comprised by Mundus, Oblivion and Aetherius, and so it should be High 1-A, if anything, and not "possibly 1-A+."
The Nerevarine's attainment of CHIM
On the Nerevarine's profile, we consider them to have achieved CHIM and become a Ruling King. This is not unsupported by the verse, of course, and in fact the 36 Lessons as a whole are essentially just Vivec's own instructions to becoming a Ruling King, directed specifically at the Nerevarine:
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The issue with this, however, is that there is simply nothing which concretely indicates that the Nerevarine that we control in Morrowind in fact attained CHIM after the events of the game, as their whereabouts are intentionally left open to the player's discretion and imagination, and Vivec himself highlights this in Sermon 15: Go unarmed into his den with these words of power: AE GHARTOK PADHOME [CHIM] AE ALTADOON. Or do not.
For the matter, in the context of Michael Kirkbride's narrative for Morrowind that's concluded in C0DA, Nerevar finally attains CHIM not in the form of the player character of Morrowind, but of Jubal-lun-Sul (As in, Luna-Sol, or Moon-and-Star, the title given to Nerevar in life), who is the one to ultimately become a Ruling King and form the New Amaranth alongside Vivec through a symbolic marriage.
So, that key ought to be removed.
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Jagar Tharn and the Eternal Champion
First things I need to address in this thread are the current ratings for both Jagar Tharn and The Eternal Champion. To be more specific, as it currently stands, they are both rated at High 4-C due to Tharn creating his own plane of oblivion, which, as shown by the intro of Arena, contained a star and multiple planets within itself.
The first issue that arises with this feat is the fact that it comes from this book, where a random historian off-handedly mentions that the aforementioned plane of oblivion was Tharn's own creation, with no real way of having possibly known or learned about that, as the book itself was written after the events of Arena, after which Jagar was long dead. Note, also, that this a verse where the Unreliable Narrator is one of the central pillars of the setting, and where regular people are frequently shown to be wrong and misinformed regarding several things about the cosmology. Given that, the feat is flimsy as is.
Furthermore, the current profile scales Tharn's general magical abilities to the Staff of Chaos as well, under the assumption that he absorbed its energy into himself. While it's true that he did drain the staff of all its magical power, it is explicitly noted that he suffused it into the Jewel of Fire, a completely separate artifact, and not into his own magical reserves:
In the interim between the start and end of Arena, where he no longer held the power of the Staff of Chaos, it's made blatantly clear that Jagar wasn't any more powerful than other Imperial Battlemages, either. For instance, we have this detail from the strategy guide for Battlespire, where he is said to have made a deal with Mehrunes Dagon to eliminate five powerful Battlemages in charge of administering a pocket reality of the same name. By the guide's own words, Tharn did so to eliminate competition, which implies they were at least capable of threatening him:
The Battlemages in charge of the Battlespire admitedly don't have enough feats for we to make an accurate comparision in scale to Tharn's, but purely for reference's sake, we can use Abnur Tharn as a benchmark. The reason being the fact Abnur is a Battlemage of the Second Era, a time period which far predates the decadent times of the main Elder Scrolls games, and where magic is far more powerful and abundant, meaning the Battlemages from back then are far stronger than those of the Third and Fourth Eras.
Abnur has plenty of good feats in the Elsweyr expansion of Elder Scrolls Online, but all of them demonstrate a strict cap to his power and likewise are far below the feats which Jagar and the Battlemages that threatened him would be capable of achieving, by the logic of the current profiles. For instance, he treats the power contained within an Aeonstone (An artifact utilized by the antagonists of the expansion, whose purpose is to amplify any magical energy introduced to it) being able to move a mountain as extremely impressive, and after he absorbs all of this energy and is amped far beyond his current level, he remarks that he feels like his old self again:
At the end of the story, a weakened Abnur, with the help of the dragon Nahfahlaar, then proceeds to contain the enegies of an exploding Aeonstone, which are stated multiple times to be capable of wiping Tamriel off the face of Nirn:
While the last feat does contradict the notion that an Aeonstone's power being able to move a mountain is a big deal, it still gives us a good idea of the scale in which Abnur and comparable beings are supposed to operate, which certainly goes against Tharn's currently-accepted feats regardless.
So, I obviously propose we take out the High 4-C rating in Tharn's profile, which should be straightforward enough, since it only scales to one other character. As for his new tier: Given that him and the Eternal Champion are treated as peers in both power and intellect by the end of the game, they should just scale above Passwall, which was already calced at 8-B, but given that the Staff of Chaos is itself treated as an incredibly powerful artifact within the setting, I believe it's fair for Jagar to have a "likely far higher" rating when using it.
The Vestige's Justifications
Another problem to tackle here is a few descriptions present in The Vestige's profile, which at present are supposed to hold up their Low 2-C rating. To quote from the page itself:
Fought and defeated Mannimarco, who could damage the barriers between Mundus and Oblivion by breaking the Dragonfires and corrupting the Amulet of Kings with his Magic, leading to the Soulburst, an event where waves of mystical energies were released across all of Nirn, affecting even the Constellations of the Firmament.
This feat is worded in a way that misses some very important context behind what the Soulburst is, in the first place. To summarize it, I'll have to give it a brief outline of the setting of TES: Basically, Mundus, the multiverse where mortals live, is encompassed by Oblivion, an infinite blackness full of chaotic, often-hostile creatures known as "Daedra," which are prevented from entering the mortal plane and wrecking havoc by a barrier established between the two.
And this barrier, in turn, was created by a covenant between Akatosh, Dragon God of Time and Alessia, first ruler of the Cyrodiilic Empire, which is maintained by ritually lighting up the Dragonfires, something that can only be done by a Dragonborn Emperor in possession of the Amulet of Kings, a relic of Akatosh himself.
On account of all this, the Soulburst happened because Mannimarco tricked Varen Aquilarios, then emperor of Cyrodiil, into breaking Alessia's covenant with Akatosh and lighting the Dragonfires without being Dragonborn himself. It wasn't really a product of Mannimarco's power so much as of the botched ritual.
The only thing that might feasibly scale Mannimarco to the Soulburst itself is this lorebook, where it is stated that he used his magic to corrupt the power of the Amulet of Kings to accomplish it, but we really have no idea of what exactly that entails, and given how The Prophet directly says that the event itself was caused by his trickery of Varen, it's very obvious that the effects themselves were just part of a chain reaction.
Moving on:
Can defeat the Celestial Constellations of the Mage and the Warrior, who were both far more powerful than the Celestial Serpent's manifestation, which was going to destroy the very Laws of Reality and return Nirn to the non-linearity of the Dawn Era.
and defeated the Avatars of the Celestial Constellations in single combat, with the second weakest among them, the Serpent, being able to devour Nirn and destroy the laws of reality themselves, returning the Mortal Plane to the timeless and non-linear Dawn Era
Quoting the game proper on that one:
These sound largely fine on paper, but are missing some key details as to how, exactly, the Serpent was going to fulfill its plans. For context, the Celestial Constellations mentioned above are entities that live within Oblivion, as the embodiments of, well, constellations that exist as living, cosmic sources of magic, and since they live beyond Mundus they can only manifest within it using artifacts known as "Apex Stones," which regulate their power and allow them to exist in the multiverse without destroying it entirely:
However, due to the Serpent's malevolent nature, his Apex Stone acts not only as a controller for his power, but also as a seal, which prevents him from influencing the world to any significant degree:
So, it's pretty obvious that the Serpent was intending to "undermine the very nature of reality" and bring back Nirn's primordial days by breaking free from the seal of his Apex Stone and then destroying it, allowing his full power to manifest upon the mortal plane and bring it back to a state of chaos. As such, the feat is not Low 2-C to begin with, and neither does it scale to his manifestation which The Vestige defeats. So that justification should obviously be removed from their profile too.
And then we have the last two justifications, which pretty much hinge on the same thing:
In his Prime, Mannimarco was also far superior to Vanus Galerion, who in turn had enough magicaly power to be used as a battery to accelerate the Planemeld that was unraveling the fabric of reality and merging Nirn with Coldharbour, destroying it entirely.
Killed Angof the Gravesinger, who could seal the Ehlnofey who embody and define the very Laws of Reality across Nirn as a whole.
So, to summarize it: Nirn as a plane is very, very weird, and not at all like a normal planet in its entirety. As is known, its continents, for instance, are literally displaced throughout different points in the timeline: Yokuda being in the past, Tamriel in the present and Akavir in the future, and by sailing across the ocean, you are actually sailing across time:
Note that, although Hammerfell is what's stated to be in the past here, the context of the post as a whole is entirely about the continents, and Lord Vivec's Sword-Meeting with Cyrus the Restless in turn pretty much confirms that Yokuda is what's supposed to exist in the past:
And surprisingly, Elder Scrolls Online supports this, with the Augur of the Obscure commenting that the oceans of Nirn have extensions in higher-dimensional space:
And then there's Michael Kirkbride saying that Lyg, an alternate Tamriel that resides in a parallel dimension, is still on Nirn:
According to the 36 Lessons of Vivec, traveling between "Adjacent Places" also involves crossing "non-cardinal points," which, given the context where the term is used, is a pretty obvious reference to higher spatial dimensions, lending further credence to the idea that Nirn is actually a higher-dimensional construct:
But, regardless of all that, Nirn is also finite. Indeed, it's the only thing in the entire Aurbis that's finite and material by nature.
Cosmology — The Imperial Library
How space works in the Elder Scrolls universe
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Of course, in principle, affecting Nirn would still be a Low 2-C feat, but I believe we've never rated pocket dimensions that have their own flow of time as such in the past, for precedent's sake. So, as it stands, I can't really discard the possibility that a downgrade is in order here, though the tidbits regarding Lyg and the Adjacent Places up there might change this.
If the Vestige gets downgraded from Low 2-C, then their new rating would be 4-A, since they can defeat the Celestial Mage's manifestation, who warped the Aetherean Archive into a pocket dimension containing a starry sky (And whose staff contained a similarly large pocket realm), and Arum-Khal, a dro-m'Athra who created his own plane of existence that, likewise, also had starry skies in it, and which collapsed upon his death.
The Dovahkiin's High 6-A rating
This is the feat
These are the statements:
To address that feat, I'll just reiterate what I said above: Nirn is ******* weird, and its full extension is not like the Real World Earth in any way, shape or form, from the fact that its oceans exist in higher-dimensional space and bridge different points in time to parallel dimensions like Lyg being a part of it, added up to C0DA showing that its interior is also comprised entirely of clockwork and abstract equations. Putting it simply, equating it to our planet at all is impossible, which, in my eyes, already makes the above calculation unusable due to the assumptions it makes.
Keep in mind, also, that the feat originally comes from the Pocket Guide to the Empire, which is an in-universe document written by someone who most certainly wouldn't be able to verify if the whole world was indeed shaken by the Voice of the Greybeards, considering Tamriel is very isolated and rarely ever interacts with other continents, like Akavir (Nevermind the fact that Yokuda is gone.) This is important here because, again, The Elder Scrolls is a verse that places heavy emphasis on the existence of unreliable narrators, and the developers have stated multiple times that even they refrain from forming authoritative stances on it for the sake of keeping things open:
As a matter of fact, we also have something which directly contradicts the Pocket Guide, and by extension Todd Howard's statements: This is Ivarstead, a village which, as you can see, is located at the very basis of the Snow-Throat mountain, and directly below High Hrothgar, where the Greybeards live. Obviously, the village itself remains accessible throughout the entire game, even after the Greybeards unleash the full power of their Voice on you, which puts a heavy dent on the whole thing about all villages in the span of miles being damaged and/or destroyed by their Thu'um.
Given that, I think this is a golden example of a case where Death of the Author is to be applied, in regards to Todd's statements.
The other cornerstone of the High 6-A key is this calculation for Storm Call. Frankly, I don't have much to say on that one: Given that it's specifically as a Shout that calls forth storms, I see no reason to treat it as anything other than a summon, which is pretty obviously the intent here. Thus, tiering it based on the KE of the gathering clouds is not at all valid.
The Barbas-Hircine scaling
Another pillar of the current Low 2-C scaling in the profiles is, of course, Alduin. To be more specific, we currently scale The Dovahkiin's Low 2-C key to the restricted, Mundus-bound manifestation of Barbas, the hound and avatar of the Daedric Prince Clavicus Vile, because of the following statement done in the latter's quest:
And since Barbas, at the time, was weakened both due to being separated from Clavicus Vile and due to manifesting within Mundus during a time where the barriers between it and Oblivion were stronger than ever, we in turn scale him to Hircine, or more precisely, his aspects of Strength, Speed and Guile, which are manifested at the end of Morrowind's Bloodmoon expansion in order to battle the Nerevarine. And the Nerevarine, in turn, is used to scale Vivec and Dagoth Ur.
Needless to say, this has issues. Namely the fact that we're using the above statement to say that Barbas' manifestation is as powerful as the endgame Dovahkiin that defeated Alduin, which is plain wrong, considering that the questline in which this is stated is unlocked for completion very early into the game, more specifically at Level 10, which is obviously way before you grow powerful enough to be a match for Alduin.
So, what can Barbas and the rest scale to, then? Well, in Elder Scrolls Online, Barbas' complete manifestation can fight and, though ultimately defeated, put up a fight against the Vestige, meaning that they are to be the new lynchpin of the scaling chain. Of course, the Dovahkiin scales to a manifestation of Barbas that, as mentioned before, was very weakened and at only half of his normal power due to being separated from Clavicus Vile, so they're significantly below the incarnation that the Vestige fights against, but not to the degree they don't scale.
Furthermore, Vivec is directly stated to be above Divayth Fyr, who by the time of the Third Era was powerful enough to overpower Sheogorath's manifestation and banish him from the Mundus, to the point that Vivec himself states thay Fyr is the only mage he knows that can "send the jackanape-god into tears," which means he'd likely scale above Barbas, regardless.
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The Jills
Jills
The Jills, also called the Minute-Menders, are the matronly attendants of the Dragon God Akatosh. Though they are often referred to as "female dragons", the Jills are in fact cosmic entities tasked with maintaining the stability and linear order of time, fixing all paradoxes and branching...
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Capable of manipulating the very fabric of time, weaving, cutting and stitching it into new forms and patterns. Responsible for mending Dragon Breaks, events wherein the linearity of Nirn's timeline shatters and the world momentarily returns to a state of non-linear untime, by weaving the broken tapestry of time back together, correcting any and all contradictions and paradoxes that occurred during it.
This shouldn't be Low 2-C: Dragonbreaks are, by and large, localized events. The prime example of that is the Warp in the West, which had its effects restricted to the region of Iliac Bay, and is the one named Dragonbreak which was pieced together by the Jills' handiwork.
This means that the Jills aren't really affecting the fabric of time on an universal scale, so their abilities should just be considered hax, and not AP. Since they have no feats other than this, they should go to Unknown.
Vivec's Justifications
Completely transcendent over the concept of linear time, existing both outside and beyond it.
Yeah, even at a glance, you can tell this isn't the strongest of justifications. And it's wrong, too: Vivec is explicitly not completely beyond time, and at least in his weakened state, his physical aspect does exist within it, as well, with only his divine consciousness being a part of the timeless world of the gods. In fact, he makes a direct distinction between him, who exists within and outside of time simultaneously, and other, completely immortal Gods, who are fully beyond time:
So, that tidbit of his AP section should be removed. Same with his Immeasurable Speed, for the above reasons.
The High 8-C ratings
So, currently the crux of the High 8-C ratings of the verse lie on the Giants, which are rated where they are due to this calc. Straightforward enough. No issues here, as far as I can discern.
The real problem, however, is in how they are being used to scale the rest of the verse's low-tiers. For instance, these three characters are rated at the same level as them based pretty much entirely on speculation that they can, in fact, battle and kill a Giant, with basically no real feats of doing so. Worst is the one in the middle, which literally has "May have fought a Giant in his journeys" as justification, which obviously shouldn't fly by any means.
And then, we have characters like Aela and Cicero, the former of which actually does have a feat of fighting and killing a Giant alongside her Companions, as seen here. Should be fine, yes? No. As you can see in the video linked, the battle in question as portrayed in the game is... visually extremely vague, which is important here, since The Elder Scrolls is a verse where the developers and writers make it exceedingly clear that the games are just a representation of the world as described in the lore, which doesn't always match up with how things actually are. For instance:
Moreover, even in this representation, you can see the Companions are using sharp weaponry like swords and arrows, which is noteworthy since Giants are demonstrably not impervious to them, as shown in this lorebook, where a Nord warrior manages to kill one in spite of the large difference in physical strength between them by dodging his attacks and stabbing him with a bunch of daggers:
So, due to that, I'd say it's quite a stretch to assume that the Companions are physically matching the Giant in a strength contest as opposed to just outsmarting him and taking advantage of their greater speed and far smaller builds.
As such, relevant characters should just be rated at 9-B, on account of the large numbers of feats in this range listed in this blog.
On Aetherius
This part should be relatively straightforward, so, alright. As already established on the current profiles, Oblivion as a whole is an infinite-dimensional space:
And Aetherius, in turn, encompasses Oblivion as a larger infinity, much like Oblivion encompasses Mundus and Mundus itself encompasses the Plane(t)s of the Gods:
And not only is it a larger infinite space, but also referred to as "the real world" in comparison to Mundus, and since Oblivion is contained within it as well, it's only natural that the same relationship exists between them too:
Monomyth: Yokudan, "Satakal the Worldskin" | The Imperial Library
As such, Aetherius should just be Low 1-A instead of High 1-B, and this should scale to some of the stronger Et'Ada of the Aurbis, like Aka, Lorkhan and Magnus, as well as the primordial forms of some of the Divines, who helped shape the realm of Aetherius into existence to begin with.
Alduin and the Kalpic Cycle
Alduin
Alduin (Meaning Destroyer-Devour-Master in Dovahzul) is the oldest and mightiest of the Dragons, and the Nordic Aspect of the Dragon God of Time, Aka. He is known as the World-Eater, for his role in devouring the old world so that the new world can be born. However, Alduin doesn't literally eat...
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Alduin is the World-Eater who brings about the End of Time by completely devouring the current Kalpa, destroying the very laws of reality as defined by the Ehlnofey and resetting Nirn back to the Dawn Era, whose end marks the beginning of a new Kalpa.
So, the idea that Alduin eats Nirn alone to bring about the end of the Kalpa is something I find very disagreeable. For one, here is a statement from Divayth Fyr, one of the most powerful and knowledgeable mages in the Aurbis, that strongly implies Mundus as a whole goes through this cycle:
And this is not the only thing showcasing as much. Here is another statement, by Michael Kirkbride this time:
World-Eating 101 — The Imperial Library
Two texts exploring the idea that the end of each Kalpha is the Dawn era of the next one
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So, basically a reiteration of what we already acknowledge on his profile: Once Alduin devours the Kalpa, existence is returned to the Dawn Era, where the Convention between the Et'Ada at the Tower of Ada-Mantia occurs and reality is stabilized "once again," but in a slightly different form this time around.
This entire process being limited to Nirn alone is pretty absurd, considering that the concept of linear time as established by the laws of Akatosh is very obviously something that permeates throughout the whole of the Mundus, hence why he is one of the eight aedric gods whose influence sustains the whole realm, and who exists as a fundamental part of it. In essence, Mundus is the only part of the Aurbis that is inherently bound by linearity and exactness, and everything outside of it eternally partakes in the untime of the Dawn Era.
Loveletter From the Fifth Era, The True Purpose of Tamriel — The Imperial Library
Instructions for avoiding the apocalypse
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Thus, it logically follows that Alduin in fact devours the entire Mundus, and by extension the Eight Aedra that sustain it, meaning he ought to scale to them. And this, in turn, opens up the doors for quite a few interesting things. One of them being this statement:
The Seven Fights of The Aldudagga — The Imperial Library
A series of humorous, semi-historical tales from Skyrim
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Mind you, this doesn't really contradict Skyrim treating Alduin as a child of Akatosh and as someone who is subject to the latter's authority to judge and punish. To explain why, I'll have to talk a bit about the new details about the Khajiiti religion which Elder Scrolls Online's Elsweyr expansion introduced, which shed some new light on the Dragon Gods:
As you can see, Alkhan, the Khajiit's equivalent of Alduin, is established as being not the firstborn of Alkosh (Their version of Akatosh), but of another deity called "Akha," who precedes Alkosh and is in fact considered to be first of all gods. Akha, in turn, has several overlaps with the entity known as "Aka," which in some texts is heavily implied to be the original form of the Dragon God that fragmented itself to create the most basic and primordial concept of time that spilled all over the Aurbis, which was non-linear, multi-faceted and simply allowed the previously ineffable Et'Ada to define themselves and form proper identities:
et'Ada, Eight Aedra, Eat the Dreamer | The Imperial Library
Furthermore, in-universe, Alduin is in fact attested to have predated Akatosh as a mythological/religious figure, with the entire Imperial religion being acknowledged as a fabrication that came about after Alessia syncretized the religion of the Nords with that of the Altmer, while the actual existence of these deities is presumably a result of the faith and belief of mortals shaping reality, as well as the non-linear nature of the Dawn Era making it so every possible version of the setting is simultaneously true.
Shezarr and the Eight Divines — The Imperial Library
Examination of the role of Lorkhan in Cyrodiilic worship
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And even Michael Kirkbride talks about aspects of the Dragon God that are particularly ancient and important, such as the Aka-Tusk (As in, a tusk of Aka), which he explains is a facet dating back to the days of the Ehlnofey, when Humans and Elves were the same race, and which the Aldudagga states is the being from which Alduin was created:
The Seven Fights of The Aldudagga: Fight Four, "The Tenpenny Winter...Again” — The Imperial Library
These were the days of Rebec the Red, she-captain of the longboat Nail-Knock, whose Reaver-Husbands were by High King Ysgrim and all the Sons and Daughters of
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Obviously, if Alduin ends up scaling to High 1-B, then so does the Dovahkiin. Same with Miraak.
CHIM and its Ruling Kings
For this one, I'll have to comment a bit on the current logic used by the profiles, for summary's sake:
Despite the several allusions to the cosmology of the Aurbis being comprised of the three usual realms, Mundus – Oblivion – Aetherius, as of recently, TES has been frequently talking about there being things that lie even further beyond these worlds. The majority of the statements making reference to that coming from Elder Scrolls Online and its expansions, as seen below:
ESO: Alternative Alinor and Ayarene — The Imperial Library
"Day and night the Maormer bombard our Blessed Isle with their mundane machinery. For munitions, they use diseased corpses - a tactic most foul! I ask you to
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Those are all very recent, but the idea that the true extent of existence extends beyond even Aetherius actually dates back to the times of Morrowind, where a NPC brings up the possibility of there being up to 40 creational gradients separating mortals from the divine.
Lawrence Schick, former Loremaster of the series, also comments on the concept of the universe being a structure comprised of worlds within worlds (Or wheels within wheels) in a podcast, and says that Sotha Sil's Clockwork City is basically this very concept made manifest and emulated/recapitulated in a concrete form, with the end result being that it has multiple layers that may or may not have an end to them, according to him.
And all of this, in turn, was talked about by Michael Kirkbride since a long while ago. In fact, one of his in-character comments actually establishes that there is an infinite number of wheels that stretch all the way back to the most primordial levels of existence:
Michael Kirkbride's Posts | The Imperial Library
Thus, the full extent of the regression of worlds beyond Aetherius is considered 1-A+, with the Ruling Kings who attained CHIM, like Vivec and Talos, in turn being rated at "possibly 1-A+" by scaling from it. And, personally, I think the rating itself more solid than this, specifically because, according to Vivec, attaining CHIM is, in fact, a return to the very first interaction between Anu and Padomay:
Vehk's Teaching: More on the Psijic Endeavor — The Imperial Library
What is the Psijic Endeavor?
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And as some of you may already know, CHIM itself is obtained once an individual perceives the true nature of reality as a part and byproduct of God by looking at the "Wheel" of the Aurbis sideways, perceiving the "O" as an "I" and thereby catching a glimpse of the oneness of the universal self:
And this is important because the realms beyond Aetherius are explicitly still structured like Wheels, which means that the ideal of the Tower extends into them as well. This is exemplified by the fact that, as Vivec states, Mundus is a smaller wheel within a wheel, and thus it also reflects the Tower in its structure just as the Aurbis as a whole does, and can allow an individual to attain CHIM that way, with the only difference here being that its border is much easier to reach and visualize:
Thus, CHIM as a state of being definitely reaches beyond the regression of Wheels as a whole, and not just the World-Egg comprised by Mundus, Oblivion and Aetherius, and so it should be High 1-A, if anything, and not "possibly 1-A+."
The Nerevarine's attainment of CHIM
On the Nerevarine's profile, we consider them to have achieved CHIM and become a Ruling King. This is not unsupported by the verse, of course, and in fact the 36 Lessons as a whole are essentially just Vivec's own instructions to becoming a Ruling King, directed specifically at the Nerevarine:
The Thirty-Six Lessons of Vivec: Sermon Thirteen — The Imperial Library
These were the days of Resdaynia, when Chimer and Dwemer lived under the wise and benevolent rule of the AMLSIVI and their champion the Hortator. When the
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The Thirty-Six Lessons of Vivec: Sermon Fifteen — The Imperial Library
These were the days of Resdaynia, when Chimer and Dwemer lived under the wise and benevolent rule of the AMLSIVI and their champion the Hortator. When the
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The Thirty-Six Lessons of Vivec: Sermon Sixteen — The Imperial Library
The Hortator wandered through the Mourning Hold, wrestling with the lessons he had learned. They were slippery in his mind. He could not always keep the words
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The issue with this, however, is that there is simply nothing which concretely indicates that the Nerevarine that we control in Morrowind in fact attained CHIM after the events of the game, as their whereabouts are intentionally left open to the player's discretion and imagination, and Vivec himself highlights this in Sermon 15: Go unarmed into his den with these words of power: AE GHARTOK PADHOME [CHIM] AE ALTADOON. Or do not.
For the matter, in the context of Michael Kirkbride's narrative for Morrowind that's concluded in C0DA, Nerevar finally attains CHIM not in the form of the player character of Morrowind, but of Jubal-lun-Sul (As in, Luna-Sol, or Moon-and-Star, the title given to Nerevar in life), who is the one to ultimately become a Ruling King and form the New Amaranth alongside Vivec through a symbolic marriage.
So, that key ought to be removed.
TL;DR
- Jagar Tharn and the Eternal Champion go from High 4-C to 8-B
- The Vestige's justifications involving the Soulburst and scaling off of the Celestial Constellations should be removed from their profile. Their tier is otherwise up to discussion. If a downgrade is in order, then they'll go down to 4-A.
- The Dovahkiin's High 6-A tier should be removed, after which, that key will just scale off of the Vestige.
- All justifications in the current Low 2-C profiles that involve Barbas' manifestation scaling from the Dovahkiin should be removed. They'll instead scale off of the Vestige, and thus their exact tiers are up in the air as well.
- The Jills should be knocked down to Unknown.
- Vivec's justification involving his transcendence over linear time should be removed, same with his Immeasurable speed.
- All characters who are currently High 8-C scaling off of Aela and the Companions being able to kill a Giant should be downgraded to the 9-B range.
- Aka, Lorkhan, Magnus and the other Et'Ada should be upgraded to Low 1-A
- Alduin, The Dovahkiin and Miraak should be High 1-B scaling to the Eight Divines and the Princes.
- CHIM users like Vivec and Talos should be upgraded to High 1-A
- The Nerevarine's CHIM key should be removed.
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