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HST Showdown - (Round 2 - Friendly Rivals)

Now that it's come to this... Genjutsu gg is the only thing left unless real hardcore Naruto supporters show up. I'm only arguing based on my knowledge of the HST which has simply accumulated dust for bleach and Naruto and is basically nonexistent in relation to one piece
Genjustu can be countered if chakra network gets disrupted. Beside Uryu has unconventional Resistance to mind manipulation. Even if we says he gets put under Genjustu. Uryu Absorbing reishi from surrounding should shake his spiritual energy and disrupt the technique.
 
Genjustu can be countered if chakra network gets disrupted. Beside Uryu has unconventional Resistance to mind manipulation. Even if we says he gets put under Genjustu. Uryu Absorbing reishi from surrounding should shake his spiritual energy and disrupt the technique.
Itachi finger pointing Naruto begs to differ. Even hus lowest genjutsu couldn't be dispelled by disrupting chakra.
Genjutsu has the feats of affecting spiritual entities so it bypasses the resistance.
 
affecting ghost just means the ability has NPI, Uryu has on top of that mind resistance.

also naruto is not exactly the greatest example
Could you type out the description? If it's merely having the mind in the soul then NPI is enough. Sasuke has 7 layers to his genjutsu.

True, I can give you that
 
He doesn't need to show he can when it's stated that he can reverse anything between two targets and is also accepted on his profile.
That's true, but if it's not in-character and is something he's never done, who's to say he'd ever even do that?

Sasuke, for example, can just go to another dimension and spam clones while observing the battle from afar and figuring out how to handle Uryu.
 
That's true, but if it's not in-character and is something he's never done, who's to say he'd ever even do that?

Sasuke, for example, can just go to another dimension and spam clones while observing the battle from afar and figuring out how to handle Uryu.
He wouldn't use his own ability to save his own life? And it's unfair to compare Uryu to Sasuke, Uryu only ever had the Antithesis in one "fight" and he only needed to swap damage with it, Sasuke has had multiple fights to actually demonstrate how he fights in character so we can safely say he wouldn't do that.
 
Mind telling me how many times can he spam his swapping ability without running out of chakra ?

Well war arc he had failed beasts amp. I don't remember his limits regarding that.
He used it 3 times against kaguya without his eye shutting iirc. And even when the one time it did shut against madara it quickly recharged in like less than half a chapter and sasuke was already seen using a ton of energy to destroy massive CTs

Current Boruto Sasuke does runs out pretty quickly though
Nah, it’s usually the chakra usage combined with getting wrecked by characters stronger than him (jigen forms and isshiki) also dimensional travel is taxing on his reserves and he’s pretty much always fighting in different dimensions, which forces him to work with the idea of saving enough chakra to make it back home afterwards
 
Itachi finger pointing Naruto begs to differ. Even hus lowest genjutsu couldn't be dispelled by disrupting chakra.
Naruto is an idiot don't even try to compare him to Uryu. Beside Naruto tried to use his own chakra to disturb the Genjustu. Here method is different.
Genjutsu has the feats of affecting spiritual entities so it bypasses the resistance.
In bleach having higher Reastu negs mind hax. Uryu Absorbing reishi would neg Genjustu affect for sure. Beside if Sasuke tries to cut off Uryu head meanwhile Uryu was under Genjustu do you think Uryu can't get up from the pain?

Shikamaru used same technique to get out of Genjustu when i last checked. Real world pain should wake Uryu up. As I said Uryu blut would save him from getting one shoted.
 
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This is War arc rinnegan sasuke so yeah, 7 layers
Iirc it's; Regular genjutsu< 1T Sharingan< 2T< 3T< Mangekyou< Eternal Mangekyou< Rinnegan Genjutsu< IT
Ah i get it now.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:UchihaSlayer96/Naruto:_Genjutsu_Potency i used this blog and for some reason it skips from regular genjutsu to 3 tomoe sharingan in potency.
  • "The Last Sasuke's Genjutsu > Infinite Tsukuyomi > Kotoamatsukami > EMS Sasuke's Genjutsu/Tsukuyomi > Regular Mangekyō Sharingan Genjutsu > 3T Sharingan Genjutsu > Regular Genjutsu"
 
Hmm from reading Uryu profile it says, He can reverse anything that has already "already happened". from reading the manga and seeing how it was inferred here I think the condition is it must have happened already before he can reverse whatever, Meaning Sasuke's black flames could work.
 
Sasuke's Amaterasu wouldn't instantly oneshot Uryu though, he can survive long enough to reverse the action which has occured and place the Amaterasu onto Sasuke while removing the damage off of himself. Especially when he has access to Blut, which allows people to stand near Yamamoto's Bankai without being damaged, and we all know how hot Yama's Bankai is. It completely dookies on the heat of Amaterasu.
 
Hmm from reading Uryu profile it says, He can reverse anything that has already "already happened". from reading the manga and seeing how it was inferred here I think the condition is it must have happened already before he can reverse whatever, Meaning Sasuke's black flames could work.
not really, cus the moment they hit and start doing damage he can reverse it, not to mention blut can resist extreme temperatures
 
Sasuke's Amaterasu wouldn't instantly oneshot Uryu though, he can survive long enough to reverse the action which has occured and place the Amaterasu onto Sasuke while removing the damage off of himself. Especially when he has access to Blut, which allows people to stand near Yamamoto's Bankai without being damaged, and we all know how hot Yama's Bankai is. It completely dookies on the heat of Amaterasu.
Yama's bankai vaporizes almost any sternitter though, but yea it's definitely hotter than the BF.
 
Sasuke's Amaterasu wouldn't instantly oneshot Uryu though, he can survive long enough to reverse the action which has occured and place the Amaterasu onto Sasuke while removing the damage off of himself. Especially when he has access to Blut, which allows people to stand near Yamamoto's Bankai without being damaged, and we all know how hot Yama's Bankai is. It completely dookies on the heat of Amaterasu.
What about a black flame susanoo arrow, those are stated to be an especially high speed jutsu iirc
 
I'm voting for Uryu. Antithesis is pretty much "take a piece of your own medicine" There's nothing Sasuke and Kidd can do against this.
 
What about them?

I'm kinda confused on what you're asking exactly.
It was mostly a response to uryu surviving long enough and resisting being one shot by amaterasu, sasuke’s arrow attacks add high speed piercing damage to it that could potentially get the one shot
 
Sasuke's Amaterasu wouldn't instantly oneshot Uryu though, he can survive long enough to reverse the action which has occured and place the Amaterasu onto Sasuke while removing the damage off of himself. Especially when he has access to Blut, which allows people to stand near Yamamoto's Bankai without being damaged, and we all know how hot Yama's Bankai is. It completely dookies on the heat of Amaterasu.
Well actually amaterasu is stated to be as hot as the sun which could mean interior depending on interpretation :geek:
 
Naruto is an idiot don't even try to compare him to Uryu. Beside Naruto tried to use his own chakra to disturb the Genjustu. Here method is different.

In bleach having higher Reastu negs mind hax. Uryu Absorbing reishi would neg Genjustu affect for sure. Beside if Sasuke tries to cut off Uryu head meanwhile Uryu was under Genjustu do you think Uryu can't get up from the pain?

Shikamaru used same technique to get out of Genjustu when i last checked. Real world pain should wake Uryu up. As I said Uryu blut would save him from getting one shoted.
Name one scenario where someone has countered sharingan genjutsu in this manner, I'll wait.
 
It was mostly a response to uryu surviving long enough and resisting being one shot by amaterasu, sasuke’s arrow attacks add high speed piercing damage to it that could potentially get the one shot
Sure, it can increase the damage done by Sasuke's attack by adding the piercing damage of his arrows, but do we know how much it actually increases that damage by, or is it just unquantifiable?.

If we don't then we can't assume it would 'oneshot" Uryu because of the lack of evidence.

Well actually amaterasu is stated to be as hot as the sun which could mean interior depending on interpretation :geek:
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Not to mention bleach characters are known to survive ridiculous injuries, like Fake YH being able to live and talked even tho he was basically cut in half
 
Welp, with @zylieo's vote, we have entered Grace.

So unless more people who believe that Sasuke wins, vote or convinces those who voted for Uryu to vote for Sasuke, Bleach will win the 2nd round.
 
Ok so, what’s the main counter to genjutsu again so I don’t have to skim through this
 
Ok so, what’s the main counter to genjutsu again so I don’t have to skim through this
Sixth sense + Antithesis

Uryu would know he's under an illusion because Genjutsu isn't controlling his sixth sense, then he just reverses states with either Sasuke himself or Kid, putting the Genjutsu on them instead.
 
an exception is not the rule
Zabuza having multiple weapons piercing through his body and organs, kisame getting his chest blasted open and laughing it off, MS sasuke enduring the susanoo being described as causing every cell in his body to hurt. Just saying theirs tons of immense pain tolerance feats in the series but I don't disagree with the outcome of this fight
 
Uryu would know he's under an illusion because Genjutsu isn't controlling his sixth sense
Does he just passively have this? And has he resisted illusions before? I saw someone mention that sharingan genjutsu is layered

then he just reverses states with either Sasuke himself or Kid, putting the Genjutsu on them instead.
This wouldn’t affect sasuke
 
Does he just passively have this? And has he resisted illusions before? I saw someone mention that sharingan genjutsu is layered


This wouldn’t affect sasuke
But Uryu starts off with homing danmaku spam that destroyed the soul from range so not a problem.
 
Kabuto also had a 6th sense and that didn't stop him from getting genjutsu GG'd idk how that's a valid counter. He only knew it was fake because the loop kept repeating and he KNOWS of genjutsu

While sasuke can't spam as fast as uyru his sussano arrows are bigger+ he can teleport and even absorb some of them
 
Kabuto also had a 6th sense and that didn't stop him from getting genjutsu GG'd idk how that's a valid counter. He only knew it was fake because the loop kept repeating and he KNOWS of genjutsu

While sasuke can't spam as fast as uyru his sussano arrows are bigger+ he can teleport and even absorb some of them
He only got genjutsu by izangi. Anyway the arrows are passing trough susano since it lost NPI. And antithesis counters them badly.
 
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