Demon Slayer (Kimetsu no Yaiba) - Breath of Discussion: 5th Form

[PsychicCipher-2]

Chapter 104 explicitly says though that Tanjiro's reflexes are still slower than a Pillar's at that point in time. In chapter 106 Muichiro attacks Hantengu before Tanjiro does and when he cuts Hantengu's head off Tanjiro calls Muichiro fast. It does seem like as if Tanjiro is supposed to be still below Muichiro's level here. During the Pillar Training Muichiro doesn't seem to have any trouble keeping up with a Tanjiro he considers as faster than before with him actively giving Tanjiro encouragement and tips whereas Tanjiro seems to have a bit of a frantic expression here.

Okay, so even after fighting the Zeroshiki himself like Muichiro did, Tanjiro is still a little weaker. Got it.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

Sorry, when was it stated that Swordsmith Village Arc Tanjiro had surpassed his power in his fight with Gyutaro?

I'd like to know that as well. I've currently trouble finding the statement.

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

It comes from here:

Muzan is able to see through his demons' eyes and retained the memories about Tanjiro in Rui's mountains, and he knows the details about how the fight with Daki/Gyutaro went:

So he should be aware of Tanjiro killing Gyutaro.

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Sakuga gifs:

 

[Nehz_XZX]

It comes from here:

Muzan is able to see through his demons' eyes and retained the memories about Tanjiro in Rui's mountains, and he knows the details about how the fight with Daki/Gyutaro went:

So he should be aware of Tanjiro killing Gyutaro.

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Sakuga gifs:

Okay, thanks.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

So, can anyone tell me more about the Battle Spirit ability? Specifically why every Demon Slayer profile has it and why it includes internal bleeding and external lacerations? I'm aware of there being instances of fear and paralysis through aura, Muzan making Akaza bleed and Akaza talking about battle spirit but I'd like to know more.

 

[PsychicCipher-2]

I was wondering, why was Gyutaro's High 8-C+ Blood Tornado calc rejected?

 

[Nehz_XZX]

I was wondering, why was Gyutaro's High 8-C+ Blood Tornado calc rejected?

I recall having seen the calculation blog and that it was rejected but I don't recall the details anymore.

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

So, can anyone tell me more about the Battle Spirit ability? Specifically why every Demon Slayer profile has it and why it includes internal bleeding and external lacerations? I'm aware of there being instances of fear and paralysis through aura, Muzan making Akaza bleed and Akaza talking about battle spirit but I'd like to know more.

Rengoku's databook profile states that his Battle Spirit is capable of overwhelming others. It looks and behaves like overwhelming aura, so it is equalized to it. Everyone is confirmed to have Battle Spirit, so every strong character has especially when bloodlusted.

I was wondering, why was Gyutaro's High 8-C+ Blood Tornado calc rejected?

It is currently waiting for confirmation that the blood tornadoes spins similarly to real tornadoes instead of spinning slowly. High chance the anime will provide the support.

Also might come up with a couple of 8-C calcs which would solidify the scaling.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

Rengoku's databook profile states that his Battle Spirit is capable of overwhelming others. It looks and behaves like overwhelming aura, so it is equalized to it. Everyone is confirmed to have Battle Spirit, so every strong character has especially when bloodlusted.

It is currently waiting for confirmation that the blood tornadoes spins similarly to real tornadoes instead of spinning slowly. High chance the anime will provide the support.

Also might come up with a couple of 8-C calcs which would solidify the scaling.

Yeah, I do recall Akaza saying that even babies have battle spirits. There is also Rui displaying an overwhelming presence and Spider Demon Sister felt something similar from Shinobu. Fear and paralysis are understandable but where do internal bleedings and external lacerations come from? Also, Tanjiro, Inosuke and Zenitsu would be below Rui in their first keys in regards to strength, so what made them considered strong enough to have this overwhelming battle spirit?

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

External bleeding and laceration is only from Muzan, where his feat is considered a high-level application of overwhelming aura against a non-resisting opponent.

Tanjiro in his first key made Inosuke tremble with his back turned:

So the trio had the capability at that point.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

External bleeding and laceration is only from Muzan, where his feat is considered a high-level application of overwhelming aura against a non-resisting opponent.

Tanjiro in his first key made Inosuke tremble with his back turned:

So the trio had the capability at that point.

Oh yeah, there is that. That makes sense. What is the reason internal bleedings and external lacerations are generalized for everyone who has the ability when only Muzan displayed that?

 

[Unforgiven0815]

I was wondering, why was Gyutaro's High 8-C+ Blood Tornado calc rejected?

I actually planned to change his profile into something like this:

"Tier: At least 8-C, likely higher

Name: Gyutaro

Origin: Kimetsu no Yaiba

Gender: Male

Age: 126+ years old

Classification: Human (formerly), Demon, Upper Moon, Upper Moon Six

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Regeneration (High-Mid. Even after being reduced to a decapitated head, a low-level demon would have still been capable of regenerating if his head were to be "completely crushed"), Immortality (Types 1, 2, 3 and 8, Cannot die unless he is killed at the same time as Daki), Self-Sustenance (Type 3, Demons don't sleep), Body Control (A low-level demon could grow hands from its head after it lost its body, Can detach his "Core", Can twist his neck backwards), Weapon Mastery (Is skilled in the use of sickles), Blood Manipulation (Can use his blood for various attacks, Can freely control the blood blades produced by Flying Blood Sickles), Danmaku, Poison Manipulation (His sickles are coated in poison. The poison is strong enough that it would almost instantly kill someone inflicted with it, and those who don't will be severely weakened and might be rendered unable to fight. Even Tengen who has developed a high tolerance to poison from his shinobi training is greatly weakened by Gyutaro's poison to the point he had to forcefully stop his heart to prevent it from spreading even further. The poison had much worse effects on Tanjiro and Inosuke, despite the latter having some form of natural poison resistance. Tanjiro was almost immediately incapacitated when he was inflicted by Gyutaro's poison while Inosuke was left in a near-death state after a while. Muzan's poison can be slowed down momentarily by breathing techniques but not Gyutaro's. Tengen had the most amount of poison resistance and got messed up by the poison before the main fight even started), Body Puppetry (Can take control of his sister's body through his "Core"), Adaptation (Adapted to the wisteria poison used on him), Fusionism (Can merge his own body with that of his sister's), Weapon Creation (Can form a pair of dual sickles from his flesh and blood), Enhanced Senses (Demons can easily smell blood and poison being able to differentiate more or less nutritious blood types, Has excellent perception and awareness), Fear Inducement (Caused fear in Tanjiro Kamado), Limited Information Analysis (Demons can perceive details like blood type, sickness and genes), Pain Resistance (Showed immense resilience to pain when he twisted his own neck backwards to block Tengen's sword attack and had both his legs sliced off, not displaying any signs of pain in neither instances. Even before becoming a demon, Gyutaro was able to get slashed in the back by a katana and didn't flinch nor show any signs of pain), Resistance to Disease Manipulation (Demons don't get sick), Resistance to Poison and Paralysis (Gained a Resistance to Wisteria Poison. Even when he was hit with kunai that was coated with wisteria extract that could paralyze an ordinary demon for half a day and seal the movements of Lower Rank demons, Gyutaro still managed to regenerate instantly)

Attack Potency: At least Building level (He is the true Holder of the Position of Upper Rank Six and much stronger than his sister. Managed to fight Tengen Uzui and Post-Rehabilitation Tanjiro Kamado at the same time and overwhelm them. Gyutaro's blood slashes are extremely deadly as Post-Rehabilitation Inosuke Hashibira noted that a single scratch from them would be enough to kill him. Tanjiro needed a hundred times more than his usual strength, and awaken his Demon Slayer Mark, to cut his neck off. Despite the fact that he was decapitated, Gyutaro was still capable of severely injuring and maiming Tengen, Tanjiro, and Inosuke and would have likely killed them if it wasn't for Nezuko's own unique Blood Demon Art saving them. Muzan said that Daki was holding Gyutaro back and that Gyutaro would've killed Tengen, Tanjiro, Nezuko, Zenitsu, and Inosuke all by himself if he had been the one fighting from the beginning)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ (Casually dodged a direct fatal attack from Tengen Uzui, while also saving his sister Daki in the process. All of this happend when Gyutaro was transforming out of Daki's body. Tengen is the fastest running Pillar and he considered Gyutaro to be fast. Can keep up with Tengen and Post-Rehabilitation Tanjiro at the same time, outpacing Tengen and blitzing Tanjiro during the fight. Is so fast that he appears to teleport, appearing in front of Tanjiro without him noticing at first, and then vanishing in front of Tengen and appearing on top of a building. Severely faster than Gyokko as Gyokko was outpaced by Muichiro who is the 8th fastest Pillar, while Gyutaro outpaced Tengen, who is the fastest Pillar.)

Lifting Strength: At least Class 25, likely Class 100 (Vastly superior to demons that can easily rip humans apart. Fought and overwhelmed Tanjiro who could push a rock this large, and Tengen, who ranks second in Pillar arm-wrestling rankings. Stopped Tengen's attack with his teeth and matched his grip. Kyojuro who ranks 3th in Pillar arm-wrestling rankings, stopped Akaza in place momentarily despite being heavily injured, whereas Gyutaro stopped the attacks of Tanjiro and Tengen (who ranks 2nd in Pillar arm-wrestling rankings) at the same time and started absorbing them with his sickles)

Striking Strength: At least Building Class (Managed to fight Tengen and Tanjiro at the same time and overwhelm them. Cut Tengen's arm off and slashed the left side of his face, resulting in the loss of Tengen's left eye. Stabbed Tanjiro through the jaw with his sickle. Created long-ranged tornados of razor sharp blood that decimated the surroundings with ease)

Durability: Unknown. At least Building level with his neck, likely higher (While the durability of a Demon’s body is inconsistent and can be hurt by weaker foes, their necks are their most durable body part and can tank attacks from characters who are comparable to their AP. When Tengen and Tanjiro both used their Nichirin Swords to attack Gyutaro's Kama made from his own flesh, it was to no avail as they couldn't even slice through it. When Tanjiro landed a surprise attack on Gyutaro's neck, his blade failed to make a dent in the Upper Rank's body. Tanjiro only managed to lob off Gyutaro's head when he "summoned a hundred times" the strength in his body, awakening his Demon Slayer Mark in the process, to successfully cut through his neck)

Stamina: Limitless (Demons don't tire)

Range: Extended melee range, several meters with Blood Manipulation and Techniques, dozens of meters with Tornados made out of blood.

Standard Equipment: Gyutaro carries around a pair of Kama fashioned from his own flesh and blood. They serve as his main tools in combat and are extremely durable and sharp, being able to tear through flesh and block attakcs from Nichirin Swords with ease. They are blood red in color and are coated with deadly poison. Gyutaro briefly displayed the ability to move his Kama telekinetically, making it fly back towards him as if it were a boomerang. When he was a child, Gyutaro possessed a similar pair of Kama which someone left behind and was most likely his main source of inspiration for using a pair of Kama as a demon.

Intelligence: Above Average, very smart in combat. Gyutaro displays incredible tactical foresight and intelligence. He is able to use the information he gathered from Daki to coordinate their attacks against his opponents. Gyutaro was also able to use his Blood Demon Art tactically to create inescapable attacks. After seeing Hinatsuru fire a barrage of kunai, Gyutaro correctly surmised that mounting an attack that would normally be easily mitigated by his regeneration had an underlying motive and chose to deflect the attack rather than taking it head on. He is also shown to use his flesh manipulation ability in creative ways, such as trapping Tengen's and Tanjiro's blade in his flesh Kama to keep them from moving. Lastly, Gyutaro figured out Tanjiro's strategy which was to disguise the scent of the wisteria-laced kunai with a prostitute's incense bag in order to land a surprise attack on him.

Weaknesses: Sunlight reduces him to ashes. Wisteria flowers are poisonous to him."

Not that I'm against it, but what's the exact reasoning for Gyutaro's High 8-C+ via Blood Tornado? I remember it almost killing the whole squad if it wasn't for Nezuko, but the strongest in the squad was Tengen who's "At least 8-C".

Coming back to what I had planned to change in Gyutaro's profile, the speed and lifting strength is a tricky one. For one, he was surprised with Uzui's grip, but he then later on managed to stop both of Uzui and Tanjiro's attacks, and then stopped another attack of Uzui with just his teeth. Uzui's Pillar arm-wrestling ranking is also higher than Rengoku's, who was able to hold Akaza in place. As for his speed, Uzui is stated to be the fastest Pillar, and Gyutaro was able to outpace him in several occasions, and keep up with him and Tanjiro at the same time. His speed feats are much better than the speed feats of Gyokko, the UM5. And Rengoku who's the 5th fastest Pillar, amazed Akaza the UM3 with his speed, yet Gyutaro managed to be faster than someone who ranks 4 places higher than Rengoku in speed...So either I'm talking out of my ass, or Gyutaro is much more impressive than I initially thought when I first read the manga when it was ongoing.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

Attack Potency: At least Building level (Gyutaro's blood slashes are extremely deadly as Post-Rehabilitation Inosuke Hashibira noted that a single scratch from them would be enough to kill him.)

Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ (Tengen is the fastest running Pillar and he considered Gyutaro to be fast. Severely faster than Gyokko as Gyokko was outpaced by Muichiro who is the 8th fastest Pillar, while Gyutaro outpaced Tengen, who is the fastest Pillar.)

Fought and overwhelmed Tanjiro who could push a rock this large

Striking Strength: Created long-ranged tornados of razor sharp blood that decimated the surroundings with ease

Durability: Unknown. At least Building level with his neck, likely higher (When Tengen and Tanjiro both used their Nichirin Swords to attack Gyutaro's Kama made from his own flesh, it was to no avail as they couldn't even slice through it.)

Gyutaro's blood slashes being able to kill with a scratch is a matter of the poison and not the Attack Potency, so that shouldn't be an Attack Potency justification. In the first place Attack Potency is about being able to inflict damage and scratches are by definition a low amount of damage, so it should be obvious that this is about the poison and not the strength of the attack.

That list had been brought up in another thread and we decided that the list was rather dubious for several reasons.

Striking Strength is about the strength of physical strikes and blood tornados are decidedly not physical strikes. They belong to the Attack Potency section instead.

Tanjiro pushing a rock happened in the Pillar Training arc which is much later than the Entertainment District Arc, so scaling Gyutaro to that would be seriously out of place.

Gyutaro's kama are his weapons. It isn't indicative of the durability of his neck or unprotected body and the focus of the scene where that happened was Gyutaro changing the shape of his kama to trap Tengen and Tanjiro's swords. It might be worth to note that the kama are made from his own flesh and blood and say "and kama" after "neck" in the Durability justification.

 

[Unforgiven0815]

Gyutaro's blood slashes being able to kill with a scratch is a matter of the poison and not the Attack Potency, so that shouldn't be an Attack Potency justification.

Oops.

That list had been brought up in another thread and we decided that the list was rather dubious for several reasons.

Sure, but Tengen's lifting strength is still above Rengoku, who managed to hold Akaza in place, no? Rengoku's grip/lifting strength was never made out to be a big deal as the only scene where he had a impressive grip feat is when Akaza severely injured him and Rengoku still managed to hold him in place. Tengen is much taller than Rengoku and his grip was mentioned by Gyutaro to be quite the deal, so I figured Tengen's lifting strength>Rengoku's lifting strength, and Gyutaro got some feats which would justify his lifting strength being comparable to Tengen's. Gyomei and Tengen being the two physically strongest pillars in terms of lifting strength made always sense to me.

Tanjiro pushing a rock happened in the Pillar Training arc which is much later than the Entertainment District Arc, so scaling Gyutaro to that would be seriously out of place.

I used the Tanjiro pushing a rock feat because Tengen's lifting strength mentions him being physically stronger than Post-Pillar Training Tanjiro. Tengen retired after the Entertainment District Arc, so scaling Gyutaro to that makes sense. It's not like Tengen became stronger after that arc, he lost an arm, an eye, and retired.

Gyutaro's kama are his weapons. It isn't indicative of the durability of his neck or unprotected body and the focus of the scene where that happened was Gyutaro changing the shape of his kama to trap Tengen and Tanjiro's swords. It might be worth to note that the kama are made from his own flesh and blood and say "and kama" after "neck" in the Durability justification.

Good point.

 

[Elixirr]

Also might come up with a couple of 8-C calcs which would solidify the scaling.

Speaking of which, I found a speed feat that may yield decent results. Take a look

Feat here

So basically, genya shoots at koku with his shotgun, and koku blitzes him (cuts off his arm) before the bullets reached him. Extremely reminiscent of the zenitsu feat, and can be used as good justification since koku did this extremely casually

 

[Nehz_XZX]

Sure, but Tengen's lifting strength is still above Rengoku, who managed to hold Akaza in place, no? Rengoku's grip/lifting strength was never made out to be a big deal as the only scene where he had a impressive grip feat is when Akaza severely injured him and Rengoku still managed to hold him in place. Tengen is much taller than Rengoku and his grip was mentioned by Gyutaro to be quite the deal, so I figured Tengen's lifting strength>Rengoku's lifting strength, and Gyutaro got some feats which would justify his lifting strength being comparable to Tengen's. Gyomei and Tengen being the two physically strongest pillars in terms of lifting strength made always sense to me.

I used the Tanjiro pushing a rock feat because Tengen's lifting strength mentions him being physically stronger than Post-Pillar Training Tanjiro. Tengen retired after the Entertainment District Arc, so scaling Gyutaro to that makes sense. It's not like Tengen became stronger after that arc, he lost an arm, an eye, and retired.

Yeah, the arm wrestling ranking is still valid and is used on the profiles for the Pillars. As for Rengoku, Akaza actually called Rengoku's strength unbelievable while he was held in place by Rengoku and Rengoku's profile lists Supernatural Willpower and Awakened Power for him using that instance as a justification. I go agree that Gyomei and Tengen being the two physically strongest Pillars makes sense.

With the exception of Muichiro, Shinobu and Iguro all of the Pillars scale above Post-Pillar Training Tanjiro. There is no reason to directly relate Gyutaro to Post-Pillar Training Tanjiro since that would already be included in him scaling to Tengen.

 

[Unforgiven0815]

Yeah, the arm wrestling ranking is still valid and is used on the profiles for the Pillars. As for Rengoku, Akaza actually called Rengoku's strength unbelievable while he was held in place by Rengoku and Rengoku's profile lists Supernatural Willpower and Awakened Power for him using that instance as a justification.

So would a base, non injured Rengoku's grip be weaker than the grip of the Rengoku who was injured, but managed to hold Akaza in place because of him remembering his mother's words? Since Rengoku ranks lower in the arm wrestling ranking than Tengen but managed to hold Akaza in place, while Gyutaro matched Tengen's grip.

With the exception of Muichiro, Shinobu and Iguro all of the Pillars scale above Post-Pillar Training Tanjiro. There is no reason to directly relate Gyutaro to Post-Pillar Training Tanjiro since that would already be included in him scaling to Tengen.

Makes sense.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

So would a base, non injured Rengoku's grip be weaker than the grip of the Rengoku who was injured, but managed to hold Akaza in place because of him remembering his mother's words? Since Rengoku ranks lower in the arm wrestling ranking than Tengen but managed to hold Akaza in place, while Gyutaro matched Tengen's grip.

Probably. You also have to consider that Tengen was poisoned which impaired him apparently to some degree though he should still have been relatively strong.

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

Oh yeah, there is that. That makes sense. What is the reason internal bleedings and external lacerations are generalized for everyone who has the ability when only Muzan displayed that?

What is provided is a general description of the ability, since it is up in the air what it would do to someone with zero aura.

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I am planning to bring back Class K Lifting Strength from Rengoku's train feat, since jumping is confirmed to be in line with the current Lifting Strength standards by Calc Group members, as it is considered gradual pushing against the ground. Resulting in a simplified strength scaling.

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Would be pretty cool if today's episode ends immediately after the apparent defeat of Tanjiro & Co.; calling the episode "Defeating an Upper Rank Demon" after that cliffhanger would be an epic troll move.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

What is provided is a general description of the ability, since it is up in the air what it would do to someone with zero aura.

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I am planning to bring back Class K Lifting Strength from Rengoku's train feat, since jumping is confirmed to be in line with the current Lifting Strength standards by Calc Group members, as it is considered gradual pushing against the ground. Resulting in a simplified strength scaling.

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Would be pretty cool if today's episode ends immediately after the apparent defeat of Tanjiro & Co.; calling the episode "Defeating an Upper Rank Demon" after that cliffhanger would be an epic troll move.

I would presume that someone with zero aura would feel uneasy just being in the presence of someone with overwhelming battle spirit if said battle spirit is exerted and would occasionally freeze up. It should at the very least not have less of an effect than on those who were affected but have Resistances againt it.

Oh, is that so? Would be a nice upgrade.

That's not too bad as an idea.

 

[Elizhaa]

Quick question, wouldn't Enmu powerscaled to the train's KE; I recall some calculations where trains' KE can be 9-A to 8-C?

 

[Duedate8898]

Hmm, not sure, since he wasn't the full train just merged with it. I think that's a bit shakey for scaling

 

[Elixirr]

I think we should change Daki's attack range from several meters to tens of meters based on her long-ranged attacks in the most recent episode and episode 6
See here

Also, can someone give this a look?

Speaking of which, I found a speed feat that may yield decent results. Take a look

Feat here

So basically, genya shoots at koku with his shotgun, and koku blitzes him (cuts off his arm) before the bullets reached him. Extremely reminiscent of the zenitsu feat, and can be used as good justification since koku did this extremely casually

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

That should be work

Also man without Razor, KnY matches feels hollow lel

 

[Nehz_XZX]

I think we should change Daki's attack range from several meters to tens of meters based on her long-ranged attacks in the most recent episode and episode 6
See here

Also, can someone give this a look?

Daki having a range of tens of meters would work for me.

Not sure how good of a feat that would actually be for Kokushibo. Standard bullet speed is pretty slow for someone who is Massively Hypersonic+ and we don't see how far the bullets actually traveled before Kokushibo was behind Genya.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Not sure how good of a feat that would actually be for Kokushibo. Standard bullet speed is pretty slow for someone who is Massively Hypersonic+ and we don't see how far the bullets actually traveled before Kokushibo was behind Genya.

Ah right, if thats the case then it would contradicting to Zenitsu MHS+ feat, am i right?

 

[Nehz_XZX]

Ah right, if thats the case then it would contradicting to Zenitsu MHS+ feat, am i right?

Why would it contradict Zenitsu's feat? For all we know the bullets Genya shoots are faster than normal but we can't just assume that for a calculation and Kokushibo's feat is pretty casual. That isn't even going into how we don't even get to compare the distance Kokushibo crossed with the actual distances the bullets crossed.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I'm saying that because the bullet being slow from the standard

 

[Nehz_XZX]

I'm saying that because the bullet being slow from the standard

I really don't think that the feat would contradict any of the speed feats we are currently using regardless of the bullet speed because of the context.

 

[Elizhaa]

Hmm, not sure, since he wasn't the full train just merged with it. I think that's a bit shakey for scaling

From what I recall in the movie, Enmu stated he fused with the steam train and I do believe we can scale fusion feat to AP regarding large size characters from their KE or PE depending on the feats (Chapter 59). I think it is possible to check the AP with a similar calculation to this case. Though, I agree the scaling could be shaky especially if the result goes to 8-C or higher.

 

[Duedate8898]

Ah right, if thats the case then it would contradicting to Zenitsu MHS+ feat, am i right?

Zenitsu's lightning feat was supposed to have been thrown out a while ago due to the dubious nature of the lightning so there really shouldn't be any worry of contradiction here. But since its so casual it doesn't really set a precedence for speed either. Still might be good to calc

 

[Elixirr]

Not sure how good of a feat that would actually be for Kokushibo. Standard bullet speed is pretty slow for someone who is Massively Hypersonic+ and we don't see how far the bullets actually traveled before Kokushibo was behind Genya.

Makes sense

 

[Elizhaa]

I want to ask wouldn't Demons have shapeshifting? There are some supporting scans here that I compiled.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

I want to ask wouldn't Demons have shapeshifting? There are some supporting scans here that I compile.

The first picture says that some demons can shapeshift. If that is correctly translated, then Shapeshifting can't be generalized.

 

[Elizhaa]

Fair, though, the last scan suggests that they all can. I am curious about the Japanese raw, looking back.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

Fair, though, the last scan suggests that they all can. I am curious about the Japanese raw, looking back.

Are you referring to Shinobu saying that demons hide their true form? I guess that's kind of supported by Kyogai and Daki. If you are curious about the Japanese raw, then you can probably ask someone who is proficient in Japanese.

 

[Elizhaa]

The raws suggest it is still some; though, I will take your advice with getting verified translations.

 

[Elizhaa]

Yes; from the translation on the translation subreddit, it is some.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

Yes; from the translation on the translation subreddit, it is some.

Okay, the case should be pretty clear then. The only way we could generalize Shapeshifting for demons in any way right now would be if demons that have reached a certain strength or those that share certain traits could all shapeshift but I wouldn't know of anything like that.

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

Published the 8-C calc which scales to Lower Moons in preparation for the CRT.

Enmu manga flesh expansion KE calc can get like 9-A+, but it is troublesome to scale and properly not worth the effort. The anime/movie flesh pillars likely gets 8-C but the sequence of events got rearranged a bit so I am not sure we can use it.

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We got a legendary episode for the anime history books today.

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Some low-tier demons are able to shapeshift:

And Rui forced his family to assume a spider-like form:

But since it is something that requires effort from most demons and most of them don't seem to be good at it, maybe we can go with Limited Shapeshifting for the demons not shown proficient in it.