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Death Battle Season Six Discussion Thread (11) (Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

IIRC, I saw billions c once and that was the highest I've ever seen anyone claim but uh, they're all also seen as infinite at their best apparently.
 
Not a bad list, i dig especially:

- Obi-Wan Kenobi VS Kakashi

- Beerus VS Sailor Galaxia (either her or Hades from Saint Seiya, i don't want any comic book or videogame characters).

- Alex Mercer VS Cole MacGrath

- Sailor Moon VS Madoka Kaname

- Danny Phantom VS Jake Long (although i would rather see Jenny Wakeman).
 
Migue79 said:
Remind me. How fast are the Super Hedgehogs here in VSBW? I know they're MFTL+, but how far into MFTL+?
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They're 1.47 billion c iirc, due to Sonic Advance 3 where Super Sonic flies to a distant star cluster in seconds to fight Ultimate Gemerl.
 
Here my list of possible Death Battles that i hope will happen in the future:

- Pegasus Seiya (Saint Seiya) vs Shazam (DC Comics)

- Silver Surfer (Marvel Comics) vs Captain Atom (DC Comics)

- Gordon Freeman (Half-Life) vs Duke Nukem

- Sauron (Lord of the Rings) + Mordor Army vs Lich King (Warcraft) + Scourge Army

- Zuko (Avatar the Last Airbender) vs Shouto Todoroki (Boku no Hero Academia)

- Devilman vs Spawn (Image Comics)

- Motoko Kusanagi (Ghost in the Shell) vs Adam Jensen (Deus Ex)

- Monkey D. Luffy (One Piece) vs Mr. Fantastic (Marvel Comics)

- Billy Butcher (The Boys) vs Stain (My Hero Academia)

- Megas (Megas XLR) vs Gurren Lagann (Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann)

- Agent 47 (Hitman) vs Golgo 13 (Golgo 13)

- Commander Shepard (Mass Effect) vs Star-Lord (Marvel Comics)

- Xena (Xena Warrior Princess) vs Conan the Barbarian

- Chara (Undertale) vs The Batter (OFF)

- Keroro (Sgt. Frog) vs ZIM (Invader Zim)

- Deathwing (Warcraft) vs King Ghidorah (Godzilla)

- John Rambo (Rambo) vs John Price (Call of Duty)

- Steven Quartz Universe (Steven Universe) vs Star Butterfly (Star vs. the Forces of Evil)

- God Emperor of Mankind (Warhammer 40000) vs Dark Schneider (Bastard!!)

- Unicron (Transformers) vs Galactus (Marvel Comics)
 
Death Battles I want.

Digimon vs literally ANYONE!

Gen 2 starter Battle Royal

Gen 3 starter Battle Royal

Gen 4 starter Battle Royal

Gen 5 starter Battle Royal

Gen 6 starter Battle Royal

Gen 7 starter Battle Royal

Gen 8 starter Battle Royal

Pokemon Battle Royal winners Battle Royal

Pokemon Battle Royal 2nd place Battle Royal

Pokemon Battle Royal 3rd place Battle Royal
 
Yeah, I really don't want Silver vs Trunks because of how badly they rechearch Sonic characters, they will just downplay they again like always
 
B-but dude. Solaris is just a hax based god. N-No real AP. S-so not real downplay, amirite??
 
Hahahahahaha, totaly hax guys, there's zero proof of being hax and the first thing we see is Solaris lauching a energy wave that destroyed the universe, but that just hax! Don't ask me why it's hax, it just is a """hax"""
 
On a more serious note, didn't Solaris, like, merge the Past, Present & Future timelines into one point in space & time by just merging or something? I might be remembering wrong...
 
ZephyrosOmega said:
After taking some time to think, Here are my predictions and hopes for the next season, all 20 episodes.


-Miles Morales (Marvel) VS. Izuku Midoriya (My Hero Academia)

-Sindel (Mortal Kombat) VS. Black Canary (DC Comics)

-Obi-Wan Kenobi (Star Wars) VS. Kakashi (Naruto)

-Crona Gorgon (Soul Eater) VS. Ryuko Matoi (Kill la Kill)

-Beerus (Dragon Ball) VS. Galaxia (Sailor Moon)

-Danny Phantom (...) VS. Jake Long (...)

-Alex Mercer (Prototype) VS. Cole MacGrath (InFamous)

-Ruby Rose (RWBY) VS. Maka Albarn (Soul Eater)

-Zack Fair (Final Fantasy) VS. EMIYA (Fate/Stay Night)

-Saber (Fate/Stay Night) VS. Erza Scarlet (Fairy Tail)

-Guts (Berserk) VS. Clare (Claymore)

-Esdeath (Akame Ga Kill) VS. Jin Kisaragi (BlazBlue)

-Madara Uchiha (Naruto) VS. Sosuke Aizen (Bleach)

-Sailor Moon (...) VS. Madoka Kaname (Puella Magi)

-Dio Brando (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) VS. Alucard (Hellsing)

-Vash the Stampede (Trigun) VS. Vincent Valentine (Final Fantasy)

-Noctis Lucis Caelum (Final Fantasy) VS. 2B (NieR: Automata)

-Trunks (Dragon Ball) VS. Silver (Sonic the Hedgehog)

-Noelle Vermillion (BlazBlue) VS. Aigis (Persona)

-Genos (One Punch Man) VS. Raiden (Metal Gear)
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Also why crona vs Ryuko? They have nothing in common besides bloodshit
 
Migue79 said:
On a more serious note, didn't Solaris, like, merge the Past, Present & Future timelines into one point in space & time by just merging or something? I might be remembering wrong...
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Yeah he did, that's why Silver was there and everything
 
I personally don't buy the Solaris stuff or FEB either, but I only want them to give Silver those stats so he doesn't lose.

But at least, if they have him go against Mewtwo arbitrarily or Mags he could feasibly win even with the stats they give Super Sonic and all. But if it's Ness or Trunks (despite Ness having way better matches) I will probably die inside knowing I'll have to see his death after two weeks.
 
I mean, idrc about your personal opinions of agreeeing or not without any reasoning, I don't want him, nor any other character, because they will downplay them just like any other Sonic character, in base, super, time limit, speed, pretty much anything, maybe with Struton being part of the rechearch team now means less downplay will happen, he didn't seen to downplay Sonic characters that much
 
Theuser789 said:
Migue79 said:
On a more serious note, didn't Solaris, like, merge the Past, Present & Future timelines into one point in space & time by just merging or something? I might be remembering wrong...
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Yeah he did, that's why Silver was there and everything
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I feel like that should be pointed out in his profile honestly. It will help with justifications.

Also, @Foxthefox1000, now you know how I felt when pipsqueak Edward got MUd against Aang.
 
It's not "without reasoning" seeing as how a good percentage of people from the RT and also DB and DB Fanon Wiki seem to see things my way but sure.

People have legitimate reasons for what you call "downplay" and always remember this is entirely based on interpretation.

Like, I can admit a good percentage pf high tier Mario feats aren't directly in your face about it and some are a little vague, so I can understand why some people see things the way they do. I only argue when it's the stupid "gag/inconsistency/outlier" argument. Otherwise I'll say how I view things and then be done with it. Besides, caring about other's opinions is what you should be doing because being blinded by biases or apathy makes for poor qualities.

Anyways that's all.

Lol Strunton also had Planet level Hiei so eh...
 
What Fox said. It's all subjective. There's a reason I have no problem with DB ranking Link at city level, because they don't believe the same feats we do (tho I did have a problem with tier 5 Golden Goddesses because their tier 2 status predates my wank). It could be different calcs, different interpretations on feats, or difference stances on outliers. So long as it's not stupidly blatant wank or downplay like city level Kirby or Yang's NLF.

Like, User, you can't honestly expect them to rank Super Sonic at immeasurable when they don't even rank true form Darkseid on that level.
 
I mean, isn't subjectivity a large component in VSDebating? I know a bunch of people in a Discord server that have Base Sonic as City Level.

Lowest I would lowball Base Sonic to is like Country level. But that's just me.
 
Yeah. The entire thing is subjective unless it's stupidly blatant (for example, DBZ characters being tier 5 or above). It's just that we have people who think that their word/this site is law and disagreeing with our rankings means you're wrong. This isn't calling out anyone in particular, but the accuracy scale alone shows that people believe that. The fact that the minute we change a statistic on a character that was in a DB, we'll say that DB is now wrong/right, despite the mere fact that we needed a CRT in the first place means we're fickle and prone to imperfection.

TLDR: Hoes mad
 
Funnily enough for some unexplained reason it's universally agreed apon on all sites that Neo Exdeath is Multiversal+, not even all sites have Super Archie Sonic at Multiversal+
 
Like fox and Howard said everyone gonna have different views and ideas where a character sits at. Some legit,some dumb and some that make you go WTF. In the end we're just arguing which fictional characters dick is bigger.
 
Tipper17 said:
Like fox and Howard said everyone gonna have different views and ideas where a character sits at. Some legit,some dumb and some that make you go WTF. In the end we're just arguing which fictional characters dick is bigger
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That's one way to put it. But okay.
 
You all are arguing ad populum, idc if a whole bunch of people argue something, it's wrong, that's my entire point, they are wrong, wrong opinions exist, I can respect their views, but when they keep saying everytime a wrong thing is right and go about "it's just my opinion" then I will go against it, people opinions can be wrong, idc about how many people believe, if they aren't backed up they are wrong

Unless those reasons are actualy legit, then they are wrong, no matter how many people believe in them at all or "opinions", they are plenty of wrong opinions in existance
 
Migue79 said:
Theuser789 said:
Migue79 said:
On a more serious note, didn't Solaris, like, merge the Past, Present & Future timelines into one point in space & time by just merging or something? I might be remembering wrong...
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Yeah he did, that's why Silver was there and everything
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I feel like that should be pointed out in his profile honestly. It will help with justifications.
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Yeah, that's actually a good idea tbh
 
Theuser789 said:
You all are arguing ad populum, idc if a whole bunch of people argue something, it's wrong, that's my entire point, they are wrong, wrong opinions exist, I can respect their views, but when they keep saying everytime a wrong thing is right and go about "it's just my opinion" then I will go against it, people opinions can be wrong, idc about how many people believe, if they aren't backed up they are wrong
Unless those reasons are actualy legit, then they are wrong, no matter how many people believe in them at all or "opinions", they are plenty of wrong opinions in existance
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It's almost like people need to realize that just because you label something as an opinion, that doesn't mean it's immune to criticism.
 
No one saying said opinions can't be wrong I literally stated there's some dumb views on a characters power as well so don't get all pissy here.
 
The whole, "it's all subjective" argument is legitimate. However, just saying that kinda makes it seem that those views are not able to be disagreed with, argued against or question. You all might not be saying that, however that is something that is used a lot over the internet even outside of versus debates. Vs Debates are subjective yes, but they also use various evidences to prove their points. However, if certain types of feats are not addressed, one's evidence can be lacking.

"This isn't calling out anyone in particular, but the accuracy scale alone shows that people believe that."

I mean, haven't we all contributed to that thread and also on those threads stated that we should know our stats are not objective fact? The accuracy scales shows what fights are accurate via our stats here. We may not agree with everything here. But for those who put their time into various verses on site will likely believe that they have enough evidence to prove and debunk the claims made by another.

" It's just that we have people who think that their word/this site is law and disagreeing with our rankings means you're wrong"

While there maybe some people who think that, I also need evidence of this. The accuracy scale could also be made by evaluating different arguments that DB made and countering them. i.e making a good counterargument. However....

The Accuracy scale does feel a bit like we are putting ourselves on a higher pedistal as people can easily make a "Vs Battle verse Accuracy scale" as well. Which means we need to be plenty careful on how we handle these things. If you put yourself on such a high horse, you are going to fall.
 
\yYeTipper17 said:
No one saying said opinions can't be wrong I literally stated there's some dumb views on a characters power as well so don't get all pissy here.
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Yes, but the argument started with me arguing with Fox about opinions, which I stand that we can critize them and point out why they are wrong, and hiding with "it's just my opinion", without backing it up isn't valid
 
Now, my wild guess for the coming Death Battle episodes (not in particular order)

1. Spider-Man (Miles Morales) (Marvel Comics) vs Izuku Midoriya (My Hero Academia)
Hate it the first win for MHA/BNHAs a giveaway like that. (Wait if we give MM the Spider-Sense and the (discarded) Small Town feat Deku may even be dead-ku.)

2. Obi-Wan Kenobi (Star Wars) vs Kakashi Hatake (Naruto (The Universe))
We know who has the high ground. But an overdue Community Death Battle turned into a Death Battle. Yep.
Best for promotion of Star Wars IX movie.

3. Darth Sidious (Star Wars) vs Voldemort (Harry Potter (Verse))
Another best for promotion of Star Wars IX movie. But one problem: Obi-Wan Kenobi is teased to be among the coming Death Battle combatant.

4. Crona Gorgo (Soul Eater) vs Shiro or Ganta Igarashi (Deadman Wonderland)
A true fitting duel of blood manipulation users. Though, again, Ben and Chad may just go lazy and go Crona vs Carnage (Marvel Comics) or Lucy (Elfen Lied) or even Ryüko Matoi (Kill la Kill)

5. Beerus (Dragon Ball) vs ... hard to choose. Most of his opponents stomps or gets stomped. Sailor Galaxia can be a choice but quite a weird way to introduce Sailor Moon verse. Then we can bring back Thanos (Marvel Comics) and possibly put a smile back on his face.

6. Danny Phantom (...) vs Yusuke Urameshi (Yu Yu Hakusho) or Magneto (Marvel Comics)
Anything better than vs Jake Long (until he got revamped)

7. Sindel (Mortal Kombat) vs Black Canary (Post-Crisis) (DC Comics)
The first defeat of DC against non-Marvel - just to a verse that need a win for too long.
Also, Birds of Prey promotion.

8. Alex Mercer (Prototype) vs Cole MacGrath (InFAMOUS)
OVERDUE. More so as Carnage (Marvel Comics) is sacrificed to Lucy (Elfen Lied) because of that. Wait Crona vs Carnage may actually be happening for promoting Venom 2 Sony Movie.

9. Taskmaster (Marvel Comics) vs Deathstroke (Post-Crisis) (DC Comics)
Best for promotion of MCU Black Widow Movie.

10. Punisher (Marvel Comics) (Marvel Comics) vs Roadblock (G.I. Joe Movie) (G.I. Joe)
Best for promotion of G.I. Joe: Ever Vigilant.

11. Deathstroke (Post-Crisis) vs Snake-Eyes (G.I. Joe Movie) or even Taskmaster vs Snake-Eyes
Did I just say GI Joe movie? There's another one specifically for Snake-Eyes. Ah another Community Death Battle turned Death Battle (DS vs SE).

12. Ky Kiske (Guilty Gear) vs Jin Kisaragi (BlazBlue)
Overdue.
Possible substitutes can be Justice (Guilty Gear) vs Maria Cadenzavna Eve (Senki Zesshou Symphogear) but that could really be a curve ball.

13. Madara Uchiha (Naruto) vs Sosuke Aize (Bleach)
OR
Kaguya Ōtsutsuki (Naruto) vs Yhwach (Bleach)
as if Sakura Haruno vs Rukia Kuchiki or Hinata Hyuuga vs Orihime Inoue are not good enough to bring vengeance.

14. Sailor Moon (Character) (Sailor Moon (Universe)) vs Madoka Kaname (Puella Magi Verse) or Pegasus Seiya (Saint Seiya)
Sailor Moon characters are overdue. So are Seiya and PMMM characters.

15. Discord (My Little Pony) vs Bill Cipher (Gravity Falls)
THE one more MLP Death Battle that must get done.

16. Nemesis (Resident Evil) (Resident Evil) vs Pyramid Head (Silent Hill (Verse))
Overdue. Community Death Battle turned Death Battle. Suitable for Halloween.

17. Dio Brando (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) vs Alucard (Hellsing) (Hellsing)
Overdue. Community Death Battle AND DBX turned Death Battle. Suitable for Halloween.

18. Wonder Woman (Post-Crisis) (DC Comics) vs She-Ra (He-Ma)
Overdue, Community Death Battle turned into Death Battle. Also, best for promotion of Wonder Woman movie.

19. Spongebob Squarepants (Character) (Spongebob Squarepants (Universe)) vs ... Magikarp (Pokémo)
Dunno why but I believe that may actually happen.

20. Shulk (Xenoblade) vs Lightning (Final Fantasy XIII) (Final Fantasy)
Overdue, Community Death Battle turned into Death Battle.

Honourable mentions:

 
For the record Crona vs Ryuko has way more than just blood shenanigans

-Swordsmen

-Both of them are working 2-on-1, with Ragnarok and Senketsu

-Evil mothers

-Really ******* hard to kill thanks to Regenerationn
 
Honestly, I HIGHLY DOUBT Lucy's coming back to DB. She has nothing new to bring to the table. She would most likely return to the channel in a DBX. But that's it.

Carnage could be a good opponent for Crona seeing as he has new stuff to bring to the table with the new comics. Though he would stomp Crona with that new stuff. But even then, I side with Base Carnage against Crona seeing as how he actually blitzes and mindfucks before Crona could do ANYTHING (High-end MHS+ vs High-end High Hypersonic, come on).

Rest of the MUs seem good. Though, poor Kaguya if she gets MUd against Yhwach. Last time I checked Yhwach stomps via broken ass hax.

3 MUs I want to see are:

Marth vs Erdrick (Fire Emblem vs Dragon Quest)

Alex Mercer ve Cole MacGrath (Prototype vs InFAMOUS)

Galactus ve Unicron (Marcel vs Transformers)
 
Even with the downgrade, Miles still holds every stat advantage (100% Deku gets the power advantage, but it causes a massive strain on his body, and he still gets speed blitzed).
 
i found it funny that boomstick said that the hirudora was island level but didn't even bring it up at the end, like it may not have destroyed a island but it still dwarfened one and thats strong, depending on how they calc its size (which they never did)

also i thought that they were going to calc his spatial bending by giving it a volume and how much it bent the staff to determine that he was large planet level or some shit.
 
Thelastmlg said:
The Calaca said:
No, we don't anymore.
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used to?
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To better rephrase the wording(?): What is our current standard of tiering the Prime Form of All Might from his young / weakened form compared to the method used in our past?
 
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