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Death Battle Season Nine Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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JoshDoshMosh said:
It still surprises me to this day that people still believe Mewtwo beats BWG
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Well you should not be surprised as long as in-verse cross-chapter scaling and extradimensional scaling is not well perceived.

By such logic Arceus actually beat King Drasil (Yggdrasil) (Digimon).
Speaking of which Arceus is overdue. And people really want the alpaca to fight and defeat Amaterasu (Okami).
 
Kontororou said:
Looking through the Pokedex, which Pokemon could realistically make it to Death Battle without being either a starter or a legendary?

I'm talking stuff like Gardevoir, Gengar, Garchomp, etc.
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Hariyama since its PokéDex did list a few feats and Hariyama does show up a couple times in the anime displaying a few achievements such as lifting Metagross. (That and mostly an excuse to fight E. Honda). Though not really a fan favorite compared to other Gen 3 Pokémon.

Mimikyu could be in if one were to use Jessie's Mimikyu.

Lopunny, mainly for its popularity and Mega Evolution for better fighting potential.

Jigglypuff thanks to Smash Bros. somehow keeping it relevant and had a prominent role in the Kanto anime.
 
greymerlion2 said:
Amaterasu would have me jumping from my seat with hype, I ******* love Okami.

I don’t know if I trust Death Battle to replicate the Okami aesthetic though.
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Rip Ama if she fights Arceus
Jasonsith said:
Speaking of which Arceus is overdue. And people really want the alpaca to fight and defeat Amaterasu (Okami).
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I know Liam spoke of YHVH, but I dont see it happening
greymerlion2 said:
Does Ammy even win any of her MUs?
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Think she beat Koromaru from Persona
 
Foxthefox1000 said:
Also can someone explain to me why Kirby VS Rimuru is so requested and wanted? The connections I've seen seem so... Not great. And I can't imagine the banter to be that good given how Kirby is.
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A grand total of 4 connections and two of them are so generic you can tell that the creator was stretching to list more. And frankly, I really don't care for having some generic OP isekai visual novel character on Death Battle. There are better and more popular characters who deserve a spot first.

Also, I suspected that people wanted this because Rimuru has a chance to beat Kirby and I was right. Oh boy, a spite MU against literally one of the nicest and cutest characters ever just because a few annoying people wank him.

Anyway, I'm not gonna sugarcoat it, I don't like this MU.
 
I don't like it either.

Another unpopular opinion is that I don't really like Luigi VS Pac-Man much. The connections barely exist beyond "Ghostbusters" and I feel like the fight would feel awkward. Their arsenals don't really mesh well and when Planet Pac comes into play what the hell are they gonna do to not make it look awkward as **** for Luigi? Also in terms of music potential I don't see how it'd generate much of a hype track personally.
 
Also, I really don't like most of Bowser Jr.'s MUs. Goddamn. I hate that Susie is apparently gaining more popularity these days (Kirby not Deltarune). I mean, granted, it's about as thematic as Tron Bonne, but I hate that all of jr.'s opponents have shit arsenals that can barely contend with his in animations without it feeling weirdly imbalanced.

Apparently Kaos from Skylanders has become more popular for his opponents lately and like, I guess it's kinda fun. Might come around to liking that one.
 
Personally I like Kirby VS Mario. It's got a lot of solid connections, the music potential is definitely there, and their arsenals and demeanors mesh very well. Plus, it's pretty debatable.

I never got the hate that MU has.
 
greymerlion2 said:
A grand total of 4 connections and two of them are so generic you can tell that the creator was stretching to list more. And frankly, I really don't care for having some generic OP isekai visual novel character on Death Battle. There are better and more popular characters who deserve a spot first.

Also, I suspected that people wanted this because Rimuru has a chance to beat Kirby and I was right. Oh boy, a spite MU against literally one of the nicest and cutest characters ever just because a few annoying people wank him.

Anyway, I'm not gonna sugarcoat it, I don't like this MU.
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Happy to know I'm not alone on this
 
I kinda have been implying lately on that one thing, might as well just say it clearly.

Practically everything in VS is highballed/wanked too much.

I want to try to be objective, but sadly nigh all verses really arent build for consistent versus stuff. It might be a cop out, but its sadly kinda true, that in context of actual events of stories, versus stats can greatly differ to the point of them actually being inappropriate presentation of characters actual abilities. There is nothing wrong with scaling, there is nothing wrong with statements themselves too, but these can be used to create inaccurate descriptions. And sadly, sometimes truly accurate descriptions are impossible due to different reasons.

And if you think: "But what about -" then yes, that character/verse is likely also highballed/wanked.

Hell, we already have at least 3 different views on fights on this thread, how DB views them, how VSW views them and how do one's self view fights. All 3 different views can drastically differ.

I guess if I were to go spiciness route for example, if I'd were to use common sense to be critical, Kirby should lose to Buu. In VS land, Kirby wins ez. Funny how they can differ.
 
TMaakkonen said:
Practically everything in VS is highballed/wanked too much.
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greymerlion2 said:
I'm guessing it's because there's an organization called the Aether Foundation that houses monsters.
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Basically that.

Also, ultra beasts used to be coded as UB-## just like monsters in SCP Foundation are coed as SCP-####.

Foxthefox1000 said:
What does this mean? You think Sif could beat Zacian or vice versa?

In any case Liam is a fan of Dark Souls and definitely believes in Tier 4 DS. Now, will he wank it further? Remains to be seen but I'm sure he'll try
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So has Tier 4 Dark Souls been mentioned last time on that Community Death Battle of Chosen Undead vs The Dovahkiin?

If not, Liam will. Getting Liam interested at Elder Scrolls too? Oh he will definitely push Tier 0 Elder Scrolls supreme deities and make the Dragonborn scale to those at most.

CharlesZaGreat said:
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Which is more spiteful? Robin vs Rosalina? Or Domenico Pucci vs Izanami-no-Mikoto? Flash vs Quicksilver here and there.
 
Jasonsith said:
If not, Liam will. Getting Liam interested at Elder Scrolls too? Oh he will definitely push Tier 0 Elder Scrolls supreme deities and make the Dragonborn scale to those at most.
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If only we could get Liam hooked on Sonic the Hedgehog, we’d be getting Tier 2 Sonic in no time. Hell, he’d probably find a way to wank it to Tier 1.
 
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Nonon Jakuzure vs Jigglypuff

Kill La Kill vs Pokemon! Two pink, cheerful, "amazing" musicians battle today! Who will tune out the other?! Boomstick: Wiz you can't be serious. Wiz: I am very serious! Anyway, music is a way to help clear our minds. It is also a way to help with stress. Almost everyone loves music. Boomstick...
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Here’s a MU for Jiggs
 
Foxthefox1000 said:
Also, I really don't like most of Bowser Jr.'s MUs. Goddamn. I hate that Susie is apparently gaining more popularity these days (Kirby not Deltarune). I mean, granted, it's about as thematic as Tron Bonne, but I hate that all of jr.'s opponents have shit arsenals that can barely contend with his in animations without it feeling weirdly imbalanced.

Apparently Kaos from Skylanders has become more popular for his opponents lately and like, I guess it's kinda fun. Might come around to liking that one.
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ahem

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Vs Bowser Jr. (Mario)

Pros:

  • "Maturity despite their immaturity" is a good tagline.
  • Both the sons of 'main dad villains'.
  • Jr having an armoury is a good contrast to Jr gunslinging. E.S Asher could be bought in as part of the animation.
  • OST could go literally anywhere.

Cons:

  • Not much banter potential. Bowser Jr. I always picture with pre-made voice clips.
  • Kind of a stomp if you choose to believe that Base (Gaignun) Jr. is higher than Multi-Solar System level through scaling to stuff that isn't U-DO (Testaments, Patriarch Sergius etc.).
  • Sods law, Bowser Jr. is already booked. Bleugh.
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Now... as for what I was going to say:

As you're (probably?) aware, I've been thinking about how to reform Nia and Melia's MUs as part of my post-XC3 Xeno JRPG MU charts, and...

...well, I hope you guys like cursed MUs:

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Nia (XC3 powerset, XC2 continuity) VS Eli Ayase (Granblue colab powerset, Love Live SIP continuity)

  • Both initially stood in opposition to the resolve of the main character, before being convinced by them in accordance with disagreements with the side they used to be a part of (Nia initially being unconvinced at Rex's wish for Elysium that could save the world, with Nia being ex-Torna before his death-turned revival with Pyra, and Eli looking to shoot down Honoka's attempts at being a school idol, convinced by mother Minami that it was unworkable for the then-dying Otonokizaka, only to work as a coach for the group to offset her own confidence issues). E: Both mother Minami and Torna Jin become sympathetic 'antagonists' towards the end (MM being the schools bureaucratic roadblock that made Eli come off as a bit of a wet wipe and also leading to Kotori spearheading the worst quarter of SIP seriously **** THAT ARC, and Torna Jin wanting Amalthus dead despite his misanthropy).
  • Both also come under pressure from their past (and present) regarding their home nations (Nia being a Gormotti and also Welsh, while making friends with Morag despite the less than favourable relations between Gormott/Torigoth, Mor Ardain and Uraya, and Eli's family being... well, part Russian blood). For this, Nia gains her Flesh Eater form due to memories of her sister being 'tied to her', and Eli has her hangups regarding her alleged lack of ballet talent, despite using it to choreograph Muse.
  • If you want to include it, both also have partners in their lives that act as a contrasting point of view (Dromarch being Nia's go-to Blade for the majority of story fights, as well as being a smooth-spoken butler (despite being a tiger, but there's an inside joke in here somewhere), and Nozomi, being Muse's 'guardian angel' and (at least I'd argue) master manipulator to nudge it's individual members in the right direction).
  • If you want to bring any of the 'continuities' from outside their initial origin into this (XC3 pun only slightly intended), then yes, both would be from 'other worlds' (Aionios is technically a neutral planet, hence the XC1/XC2 worlds combined).

I guess to end off, I'll mention that I know dick about Grablue, so splitting the 3rd years profile that we have between characters (and who gets what for powers) would be nice. Nia more than likely wins if we go with Z/Origin scaling, but Eli probably wins if you want to stick to T6 scaling (/Aion being only planetary imo)?
3rd years allegedly have status res, so no cancer/cell manip for Nia, IF you went with T5/T6 keys.
 
One area I feel Death Battle could do better in is hyping up a fight. Posting previews of research doesn't really work because that's not what people are really here for, they want to watch characters fight it out. They need trailers with short clips of the fight itself, the characters exchanging dialogue over those clips, and of course banging high-energy music that gets blood pumping.

They did a damn near perfect example of this for Goku vs Superman 2, and it's yet another reason I'm pissed that the fight didn't live up to the hype. And yes, it was Goku vs Superman, of course they were going to sell it a little harder than most fights, but there's no reason they can't do trailers like that for every fight when they've clearly shown they're willing to give it 100% for episodes with MUs that aren't as popular as Goku vs Superman.

Would it be extra work? Obviously. Would it be worth it? I think it would be.
 
Joycap said:
ahem



Now... as for what I was going to say:

As you're (probably?) aware, I've been thinking about how to reform Nia and Melia's MUs as part of my post-XC3 Xeno JRPG MU charts, and...

...well, I hope you guys like cursed MUs:

Nia_Queen_of_Agnus_vs_Eli_Ayase.png


Nia (XC3 powerset, XC2 continuity) VS Eli Ayase (Granblue colab powerset, Love Live SIP continuity)

  • Both initially stood in opposition to the resolve of the main character, before being convinced by them in accordance with disagreements with the side they used to be a part of (Nia initially being unconvinced at Rex's wish for Elysium that could save the world, with Nia being ex-Torna before his death-turned revival with Pyra, and Eli looking to shoot down Honoka's attempts at being a school idol, convinced by mother Minami that it was unworkable for the then-dying Otonokizaka, only to work as a coach for the group to offset her own confidence issues). E: Both mother Minami and Torna Jin become sympathetic 'antagonists' towards the end (MM being the schools bureaucratic roadblock that made Eli come off as a bit of a wet wipe and also leading to Kotori spearheading the worst quarter of SIP seriously **** THAT ARC, and Torna Jin wanting Amalthus dead despite his misanthropy).
  • Both also come under pressure from their past (and present) regarding their home nations (Nia being a Gormotti and also Welsh, while making friends with Morag despite the less than favourable relations between Gormott/Torigoth, Mor Ardain and Uraya, and Eli's family being... well, part Russian blood). For this, Nia gains her Flesh Eater form due to memories of her sister being 'tied to her', and Eli has her hangups regarding her alleged lack of ballet talent, despite using it to choreograph Muse.
  • If you want to include it, both also have partners in their lives that act as a contrasting point of view (Dromarch being Nia's go-to Blade for the majority of story fights, as well as being a smooth-spoken butler (despite being a tiger, but there's an inside joke in here somewhere), and Nozomi, being Muse's 'guardian angel' and (at least I'd argue) master manipulator to nudge it's individual members in the right direction).
  • If you want to bring any of the 'continuities' from outside their initial origin into this (XC3 pun only slightly intended), then yes, both would be from 'other worlds' (Aionios is technically a neutral planet, hence the XC1/XC2 worlds combined).

I guess to end off, I'll mention that I know dick about Grablue, so splitting the 3rd years profile that we have between characters (and who gets what for powers) would be nice. Nia more than likely wins if we go with Z/Origin scaling, but Eli probably wins if you want to stick to T6 scaling (/Aion being only planetary imo)?
3rd years allegedly have status res, so no cancer/cell manip for Nia, IF you went with T5/T6 keys.
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I am dissatisfied.

When Granblue Fantasy is a game developed by Cygames and it can insert a Love Live character but not a Zombie Land Saga character.

 
greymerlion2 said:
One area I feel Death Battle could do better in is hyping up a fight. Posting previews of research doesn't really work because that's not what people are really here for, they want to watch characters fight it out. They need trailers with short clips of the fight itself, the characters exchanging dialogue over those clips, and of course banging high-energy music that gets blood pumping.

They did a damn near perfect example of this for Goku vs Superman 2, and it's yet another reason I'm pissed that the fight didn't live up to the hype. And yes, it was Goku vs Superman, of course they were going to sell it a little harder than most fights, but there's no reason they can't do trailers like that for every fight when they've clearly shown they're willing to give it 100% for episodes with MUs that aren't as popular as Goku vs Superman.

Would it be extra work? Obviously. Would it be worth it? I think it would be.
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This reminds me of the old-day, minute-long buildup to a fight, that they can't do anymore because of A) Custom OSTs, and B) budget/time constraints (that was technically always a problem, but you'll get my point in a sec). Are you saying that parts of that buildup that led to a fight could be used in place of analysis previews?

Jasonsith said:
I am dissatisfied.

When Granblue Fantasy is a game developed by Cygames and it can insert a Love Live character but not a Zombie Land Saga character.

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You have my attention (although ZLS is a series I also need to get to at some point). Any of their MU ideas work?
 
Joycap said:
This reminds me of the old-day, minute-long buildup to a fight, that they can't do anymore because of A) Custom OSTs, and B) budget/time constraints (that was technically always a problem, but you'll get my point in a sec). Are you saying that parts of that buildup that led to a fight could be used in place of analysis previews?
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Also
C) Avoid copyright claims - even better, take the copyright in their own hands.

The buildup part is actually... Guess what? Surprisingly great and definitely present at Omni-Man vs Homelander.

Joycap said:
You have my attention (although ZLS is a series I also need to get to at some point). Any of their MU ideas work?
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Well...
If you only go to the two-series anime, then any tier 9 artists (entertainer, singer, dancer, etc) that are not TOO haxxed would work.

JoshDoshMosh said:
I heard it’s a cute series
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Zombie Land Saga is a comedy focused mostly on soft promoting the Saga prefecture by having characters hard selling in-verse.
Also a blatant "idol group" anime trying to take a share of market from IdolM@ster series and Love Live series.
 
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If you only go to the two-series anime, then any tier 9 artists (entertainer, singer, dancer, etc) that are not TOO haxxed would work.

Zombie Land Saga is a comedy focused mostly on soft promoting the Saga prefecture by having characters hard selling in-verse.
Also a blatant "idol group" anime trying to take a share of market from IdolM@ster series and Love Live series.
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Nah, I mean any Idol anime that colabed with any series that's combat-focused (I wouldn't be feeding Eli to Nia if she didn't have those T5/T6 keys).
 
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