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DEATH BATTLE! Accuracy Scale [Part 10, The more things change, the more they stay the same]

5,618
11,093
Alright, since the previous one hasn't been updated for long despite new episodes and revisions for several characters, we're gonna update and put everything here... again :V

Rules:
  • This list is purely for the accuracy of the DB research. Video or animation quality does not play a factor (although animation quality can be commented on for fun).
  • Even if the fight is a stomp, if it's accurate, it will get a higher rating
  • We can also try to measure accuracy of joke battles despite of them being quite unpredictable
  • ATT = At The Time
  • Because of revelations from the research team for DB, all battles are to be considered as if the strongest forms of each fighter are used immediately. Because of this, certain battles have different results then when it starts at base. For these battles, the forms used will be placed alongside the fight for clarity.
  • Remember, these should be based on actual VSW profiles. If some results seems questionable, then perhaps the problem lies in current profiles.
We already have good majority of episodes ranked, but if you see changes on characters not being reflected, you can talk about it here.

We have few scales of verdicts and researches:
  • Right, Good (Right Verdict + Good Research)
  • Right, Decent (Right Verdict + Decent Research)
  • Right, Bad (Right Verdict + Bad Research)
  • Iffy/Inconclusive (Either it's very iffy to choose due to how close MU is or it is straight up tie/inconclusive where the chances are 50/50 or no one can lose)
  • Unrankable (Character(s) do not have a profile in VSBW which is why we can't rank accuracy by our standards)
  • Wrong, Decent (Wrong Verdict + Decent Research)
  • Wrong, Bad (Wrong Verdict + Bad Research)
Season 1
  1. Samus Aran vs Boba Fett (2010) | Reason: While Boba is faster, Samus has the strength and hax to win even with Power Suit only. Right, Good
  2. Akuma vs Shang Tsung | Reason: In base, Akuma is much stronger and much faster. Even at Shang’s most powerful, Akuma edges him out in strength and speed enough to emerge on top. Right, Good
  3. Rogue vs Wonder Woman | Reason: Looking at Rouge's and Diana's profile, Diana pretty much should blitz and one shot. Wrong, Bad
  4. Goomba vs Koopa | Reason: This is tough one, but if compositing I am pretty sure that Koopa is smarter and even if a Coward, he is more durable and has more ways to deal with Goomba. Wrong, Decent
  5. Haggar vs Zangief | Reason: They're also quite equal to each other in stats... for now it's hard to answer though but Zangief should probably win, he is in his prime and Haggar retired in Final Fight. Right, Good
  6. TMNT BR | Reason: Let me quote Wiz "Raph won in the movie he should win here neyh neyh NO", in other words yeah I am pretty sure Leo is canonically strongest among this quart, protagonist bonus. Right, Good
  7. Leo vs Zitz | Reason: Battletoads got planet level feat so I am pretty sure... oh wait... no one scales to it... and considering Leo is composited here, he is fast enough to keep up and one shots. Right, Decent
  8. Yoshi vs Riptor | Reason: You know, even before KI downgrades Yoshi was far faster and stronger, now he stomps even more. Right, Good
  9. Felicia vs Taokaka | Reason: Felicia could one shot here since Taokaka's only "Possibly Planet level", but even without it, Infinite speed, so uh, that's quite big blitz in not that big AP gap. Right, Good
  10. Kratos vs Spawn | Reason: No Norse Mythology, we must remember that, but even when Greek Mythology Kratos is busted, our strongest Spawn is Immeasurable/Omnipresent to Kratos's Infinite speed and 2-A in AP against Kratos's 2-C AP, so Spawn is infinitely stronger and faster. Right, Good
  11. Bomberman vs Dig Dug | Reason: Gameplay mechanic verdicts are funny but Uni Bomberman is a thing, so uh one shot and blitz. Wrong, Bad
  12. Shadow vs Vegeta | Reason: Even without Archie, Super Shadow is stronger and maybe even faster than even DBS Vegeta, let alone DBZ Vegeta since ATT there was no DBS. Wrong, Decent
  13. Mario vs Sonic (2011) | Reason: Sonic even resists Mario's fate hax nowadays, pretty much since we buy Immeasurable for Hyper/Super Sonic Sonic one shots and blitz. Right, Good
  14. Justin Bieber vs Rebecca Black | Reason: No profiles? Truly the loss of the ages actually determining who would kill each other would be ****** up Unrankable
  15. Luke Skywalker vs Harry Potter | Reason: Even if you think EU should not be used for whatsoever reason remember: 1. Disney canon mostly sucks, 2. Disney didn't bought SW ATT of Luke vs Harry, so uh, EU being EU, and not that EU. Right, Good
  16. Chun-Li vs Mai Shiranui | Reason: Smash is for good kids, Chun-Li wasn't good girl this year to be downgraded and even before getting one shot by Mai. Right, Good
  17. Starscream vs Rainbow Dash | Reason: It seems there's no Uni Starscream and there's Low Multi MFTL+ Rainbow Pony. Right, Decent
  18. Master Chief vs Doomguy | Reason: Just remember, ATT there was not Doom 2016 or Doom Eternal, though there's some interesting stuff for both so it still hard to say.... looking at profiles seems Doomguy is faster and strong enough to take in Physicals Chief so I suppose it is Wrong, Decent
  19. Eggman vs Wily | Reason: Well they got Roboenza wrong, Metal Sonic betrayed Eggman once, and later still was his co-worker so it's Right, Decent for Sonic side to win, but it's Wrong, Decent for Wily's virus taking down Metal or basically being effective in combat.
  20. Zelda vs Peach | Reason: We don't have canon Zelda profile as strange as it sounds, there's no OoT Zelda, Windwaker, Twilight Princess and etc. but even then we are all pretty sure via Zelda downgrades that Peach wins (a little correction, Zelda does have BoTW profile now, though there's a problem, BoTW didn't existed at the time of the episode, but still it's neat to have Zelda profile after so long time). Still, there is no proper answer for this atm here. Unrankable
  21. Thor vs Raiden | Reason: Yes Right, Good
  22. Link vs Cloud (2012) | Reason: Zelda downgrades and Final Fantasy upgrades at same time, what we have? Dead Link that's what. Wrong, Bad
  23. Spider-Man vs Batman | Reason: Well, Batman has no preparations so Batman vs Spider-Man moment. Right, Good
  24. Pikachu vs Blanka | Reason: Let's assume it's not busted Ash's Pikachu, even normal Pikachu should be stronger than Blanka by now. Wrong, Bad
  25. Goku vs Superman | Reason: Pre-Crisis apparently was not used here, Goku was DBZ and GT. Superman is currently worth more universes than GT Goku. Not that this episode gets stats right. Right, Bad
Season 2
  1. He-Man vs Liom-O | Reason: Thundercats, Thundercats Thundeeeeeeeer.....dead kek 2-A He-Man. Right, Good
  2. Shao Khan vs M. Bison | Reason: We recently witnessed some interesting stuff about Midway MK, but even then it seems that planet MK won't be a thing, dead Shao. Wrong, Decent
  3. Ryu Hayabusa vs Strider Hiryu | Reason: Ryu is planet level, Strider is not. Wrong, Decent
  4. Ivy vs Orchid | Reason: KI Downgrades, while Soul Calibur is safe so uhh Wrong, Decent (Because accurate comparison on chest size)
  5. Fox vs Bucky | Reason: There's no profile of this hare so uh... Unrankable
  6. Terminator vs Robocop | Reason: Quite close but Robocop should be fast, smart and versatile enough to take T-800 down, you'll be back for sure sometime. Right, Good
  7. Luigi vs Tails | Reason: Luigi got very abused on this episode, so one might think its wrong? Well, since Mario cast has been downgraded to be below base Game Sonic cast, Archie Tails wasn't even needed. Right, Decent
  8. Pokemon Gen 1 Starters BR | Reason: It's rock paper scissors but with few extra steps, so it just basically 33/33/33. Iffy
  9. Fulgore vs Sektor | Reason: KI downgrades, so despite MK being downgraded too Sektor pretty much wins. Wrong, Decent
  10. Godzilla vs Gamera (mostly composites) | Reason: Godzilla is much faster and stronger than the giant turtle. Right, Good
  11. Tigerzord vs Gundam Epyon | Reason: The only Gundam profiles we have are toys...toys carl! But apparently before it's page was deleted Gundam Epyon was at max Large Country Level, with 0.084c speed with the Tigerzord scaling to 5-A, and 2209c so Tigerzord should have stomp this. Wrong, Bad or Unrankable
  12. Captain America vs Batman | Reason: I guess Cap have stats iirc. So uh. Wrong, Decent
  13. Ryu vs Scorpion | Reason: Ryu is quite skilled, fast and with Satsui no Hado or even power of nothingness is far stronger to take Hanzo down. Wrong, Decent
  14. Deadpool vs Deathstroke | Reason: DS has become stronger and faster. Wrong, Decent
  15. Kirby vs Majin Buu | Reason: Oh hey, Multi Kirby is a thing, but even without it Kirby should win. Right, Good
  16. Garra vs Toph: Well... Yeah pretty much we all already know we don't need so long talk about it, Wrong, Bad
  17. Samus Aran vs Boba Fett (Power Suit Samus vs Legends Boba) | Reason: Technically remaster, but they somehow said Boba was stronger which sure is sth. Right, Decent
  18. Chuck Norris vs Segata Sanshiro | Reason: We don't have both of their profiles so... Unrankable
  19. Guts vs Nightmare | Reason: No Patrick being protagonist doesn't means you're strongest. Wrong, Bad
  20. Ragna vs Sol: I can't say much here but considering GG is getting nerfed and nerfed I guess, UPD: Yeah GG got nerfed enough for Ragna to win. Wrong, Bad
  21. Tony vs Lex | Reason: So far, Tony I guess, outhax... Right, Good
  22. Beast vs Goliath | Reason: I don't really know, Speed and AP are almost coincidental, I'll say Beast though since he's smarter and more versatile. Wrong, Decent
  23. Snake vs Sam Fisher | Reason: I heard Snake will be downgraded from CB, though so far, he's stronger both faster than Sam. Right, Good
  24. Vader vs Doom | Reason: Considering Doom is Doom even EU doesn't save Vader's situation here. Right, Good
  25. Goku vs Superman 2 | Reason: With God Ki, Goku could match blows with the God of Destruction, Beerus. Their clash nearly destroyed the entirety of Universe 7, a cosmological structure at least nine times larger than our own universe. At most, it could even be as large as 13 times greater than ours. Oh wait not yet. Current Supes is worth more universes than DBS Goku. Also Superman has limits :^) Right, Bad
  26. Donkey Kong vs Knuckles | Reason: DK, Donkey Kong, DK, Donkey Kong is dead. They've not used Archie for Knuckles and there was no power ups since "Mario and Sonic powerups cancel out each othwe", but at same time, for DK they used only Donkey Kong Country, so Knuckles can flex his muscles enough to win. Even still, game base Sonic characters have gained speed and hax buffs as well. Wrong, Decent
  27. Wolverine vs Raiden | Reason: Raiden is stronger so far and his sword should ignore Wolvie's herald dura because it separates the atomic bonds of everything it touches, it's basically dura neg matter hax, so durability doesn't matter here, so I guess its Right, Good
  28. Dan Hibiki vs Hercule Satan | Reason: Even with unequal Speed, sadly Dan dies in a quite close battle here. Right, Good
  29. Yang vs Tifa | Reason: We know, and since they have claimed this was wrong in Casts, they know too. Wrong, Bad
  30. Mega Man vs Astro boy | Reason: Star level Astroboy seems to be a thing so uh, dead Mega Man. Right, Good
  31. Green arrow vs Hawkeye | Reason: It seems GA is faster and can kill HE, even if HE has much stronger arrows. Wrong, Decent
  32. Pokémon vs Digimon | Reason: Have you seen those Digimon profiles? If yes we all know. Right, Good
Season 3:
  1. Dante vs Bayonetta | Reason: I dunno, I know it's right now since mobile games but what Dante have without DMC 5 and POC though? Iffy
  2. Bowser vs Ganon | Reason: Zelda downgrades, Bowser blitz and one shot. Wrong, Bad
  3. Ratchet & Clank vs Jak & Daxter | Reason: We probably would need to update both series and profiles, so far it was out with a reboot so uhh Right, Good (though Daxter is cooler)
  4. Flash vs Quicksilver | Reason: Think about it, think about it again we might missed something. Great, now while you were thinking millions of people already answered that question. Right, Good
  5. Joker vs Sweet Tooth | Reason: Well, truck is stronger than Joker so... Wrong, Decent
  6. Shadow vs Mewtwo | Reason: Mewtwo have buffs but even with them it still dies to Shadow. Wrong, Bad
  7. Meta vs Carolina | Reason: Technically this DB is canon to RvB so the victor of this episode is canonical victor. Right, Good
  8. Cammy vs Sonya | Reason: Sonya seems to blitz despite similar AP. Right, Good
  9. Tracer vs Scout | Reason: It seems Tracer had enough even ATT to win, tho Scout could have had better research. Right, Decent
  10. Ken vs Terry | Reason: Even without SF downgrade, Terry wins. Right, Good
  11. Amy vs Ramona | Reason: How naive me in the past me was thinking that it'll be hard fight for Amy, it's not even Monday for her. Right, Good
  12. Hulk vs Doomsday | Reason: Probably Hulk should be stronger, esp. since some of the feats existed att. Wrong, Bad
  13. Zoro vs Erza | Reason: Despite constant revisions for both, ATT, it should be Right, Good
  14. Deadpool vs Pinkie Pie | Reason: They'll be friends if they'll meet imo, so it should be Right, Good
Season 4
  1. Lara Croft vs Nathan Drake | Reason: Depends so far... I'll say Lara cause Nathan is not that Good in CQC. Right, Good
  2. Scrooge McDuck vs Shovel Knight | Reason: I did not expected Scrooge to win and was happy about it. But apparently it is wrong considering there wasn't reboot DuckTales ATT. Wrong, Decent
  3. Venom vs Bane | Reason: Yeah Venom murders here. Right, Good
  4. Megazord vs Voltron | Reason: we have only one Voltron profile and according to it, Megazord dies. Right, Good
  5. Natsu vs Ace | Reason: Well... Probably Ace should've won ATT, that's what I've heard. Wrong, Decent
  6. Sub-Zero vs Glacius | Reason: KI downgrades. Right, Good
  7. Android 18 vs Captain Marvel | Reason: 18 has the needed scaling to win, but DB actually apologized for research mistakes in this one which is quite alarming lol Right, Bad
  8. Metal Sonic vs Zero | Reason: Metal Sonic takes the stats, at least as Metal Overlord who scales to significantly stronger feats that existed at the time of ep, up to land of Low 1-C. Wrong, Decent
  9. Lucario vs Renamon | Reason: Despite not using Digimon evolutions, Renamon is still Island against Mountain Lucario. Wrong, Decent
  10. Balrog vs TJ combo | Reason: KI downgrades when SF is 9-A. Wrong, Decent
  11. Shredder vs Silver Samurai. | Reason: Shredder human composite doesnt seem to be at level of SS, tho speed might go to Shredder. Wrong, Decent
  12. Smokey vs McGruff | Reason: It's common sense that Mountain sized bear will destroy a human sized dog. Unfortunately, no profiles. Unrankable
  13. Thor vs Wonder Woman | Reason: Considering stuff we have for Thor he probably should've take that. Wrong, Bad
  14. Naruto vs Ichigo | Reason: Ichigo faster and stronger so uh, I guess he wins. Wrong, Decent
  15. Batman Beyond vs Spider-Man 2099 | Reason: Batman vs Spider-Man moment. Wrong, Bad
  16. Sephiroth vs Vergil | This was right ATT but Wall level Vergil lmao Right, Bad
Season 5
  1. Batman vs Black Panther | Reason: Marvel vs DC street tier moment. Right, Decent
  2. Twilight vs Raven | Reason: Since we don't have Post-Crisis Raven profile it'll be mystery of how this one should've turn out. Unrankable
  3. Jotaro vs Kenshiro | Reason: That moment when Jotaro wins by their logic, but anyway...yeah, Kenshiro should take this. Right, Bad
  4. Crash vs Spyro | Reason: Dark Spyro is a thing while the only thing Crash have for City level is statement. Right, Good
  5. Sora vs Pit | Reason: Well, Sora now is faster, stronger and can negate immortality of Pit which even probably will be either removed or be non combat applicable: Right, Decent
  6. Leon vs Frank | Reason: Leon have comparable speed and access to better weaponry so probably him. Right, Good
  7. Strange vs Fate | Reason: Marvel keep getting buffs, DC doesn't here so uhh Wrong, Decent
  8. Ryu vs Jin | Reason: No Patrick, meteor feat is not canon. But even with it, Jin has Island level and Multi-Continent level stuff so he still wins. Wrong, Bad
  9. Jack vs Afro | Reason: Jack is faster and stronger so he should still win. Right, Good
  10. Lucy vs Carnage | Reason: We don't give something crazy for Carnage so Lucy wins. Dark Carnage debuted after this fight as well. Right, Decent
  11. Optimus Prime vs Gundam | Reason: Autobots laugh, as Gundam's only profiles are toys... except it also means its Unrankable
  12. Nightwing vs Daredevil | Reason: DC street tier vs Marvel street tier moment, Daredevil should be stronger and maybe faster here. Wrong, Decent
  13. Mario vs Sonic 2 | They made it wrong when looking at stats here :V Wrong, Bad
  14. Ultron vs Sigma | Reason: Well, all stats aside, Ultron does have better hacking, which means he wins this. Right, Good
  15. Roshi vs Jiraya| Reason: Dragon Ball vs Naruto moment. Considering this stuff it's pretty much right. Right, Good
  16. Thanos vs Darkseid | Reason: Though in equal speed, we have Thanos with Infinity Gauntlet beating Godhead Darkseid. Wrong, Decent
Season 6
  1. Aquaman vs Namor | Reason: Aquaman should be stronger and faster here, so It seems he doesn't actually sucks. Right, Good
  2. Mega Man BR | Reason: Yeah .EXE seems to be superior here. Right, Good
  3. Black widow vs Widowmaker | Reason: Turns out that Widowmaker had the feats to beat BW back then. Wrong, Decent
  4. Captain Marvel vs Captain Marvel | Reason: Yeah Captain marvel should be stronger and faster than Captain Marvel... except in VSW profiles lmao Wrong, Decent
  5. Wario vs King Dedede | Reason: Multi Kirby, Wario gets Dededestroyed. Right, Good
  6. Ben vs Hal | Reason: DC downgrades lmao and Alien X has also been upgraded. Wrong, Decent
  7. Weiss vs Mitsuru | Reason: Look at Persona profiles... and now you see, she solos all RWBY, let alone Weiss, even if DB didn't give Mitsuru proper stats.
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  8. Johnny Cage vs Captain Falcon | Reason: Those racing cars are hella strong ngl. Considering uni stuff Falcon has, and the fact that if Johnny will kill Falcon and become Falcon afterwards means Falcon win regardless. Right, Good
  9. Ed vs Aang | Reason: Yeah Aang pretty much should be able to handle Ed. Right, Decent
  10. Ghost rider vs Lobo | Reason: Soul hax gg. Right, Good
  11. Kiryu vs Dragonzord (Composite Kiryu vs Fighting Mode Dragonzord) | Reason: Kiryu is too strong and much too fast for Tommy’s Zord. Right, Decent
  12. Sasuke vs Hiei | Reason: Considering how we put both, Sasuke should've won. Wrong, Decent
  13. Ganon vs Dracula | Reason: Castlevania is op, Zelda is downgraded. Right, Good
  14. Mob vs Tatsumaki | Reason: Sad to admit...but I guess Tatsumaki really should've take that ATT, even without planet stuff. Right, Good
  15. Deadpool vs The Mask | Reason: Crossover scaling are bad. But Mask still beats Deadpool by our profiles. Right, Decent
  16. All Might vs Might guy | Reason: The most you can get MHA to is country which still loses to guy. Right, Good
Season 7
  1. Miles Morales vs Static | Reason: Considering cartoons are used for this MCB Static beats Miles here. Right, Good
  2. Black Canary vs Sindel | Reason: Quite close, but Canary screams stronger so I guess she still wins. Right, Good
  3. Leo vs Jason | Reason: yeah, Jason is stronger and faster than Leo. Right, Good
  4. Genos vs War Machine | Reason: Even now Rhody can keep up with Genos, let alone before buffs. Right, Good
  5. Gray vs Esdeath | Reason: Should be right, looking at profiles ATT. Right, Good
  6. Machamp vs Goro | Reason: you have to downgrade Machamp very much to make him equal to Goro. Right, Good
  7. Cable vs Booster Gold | Reason: Considering, Cable have no way to deal with forcefield, Booster probably wins here. Right, Decent
  8. Obi Wan vs Kakashi | Reason: Planet and FTL Kenobi, Kakashi ain't that strong or fast, so EU saves the day once again. Right, Good
  9. Danny Phantom vs Jake Long | Reason: Reason: Danny is far stronger, faster, versatile, and has greater abilities. Right, Decent
  10. She-Ra vs Wonder Woman | Reason: 2-A She-Ra but at same time is blitzed by Diana soooo. Inconclusive for now.
  11. Beerus vs Galaxia | Reason: Multipliers is a fair thing I guess... Right, Good
  12. Zuko vs Todoroki | Reason: Zuko was supposedly originally going to win due to better speed and better AP. Imagine if Zuko was faster and Shoto had bad durability haha Wrong, Decent
  13. Wally West vs Archie Sonic | Reason: DC might have regained some D, but Archie Sonic still has bigger D :V Wrong, Bad
  14. The Seven (+ Billy Butcher) BR | Reason: Yeah, Homelander pretty much kills everyone around and without him, Billy seems experienced enough to take down other heroes of 7. Right, Good
  15. Winter soldier vs Red hood | Reason: Marvel street tier vs DC street tier moment. In other words, yeah Bucky seems strong enough to win here. Right, Good
  16. Venom vs Crona | Reason: Yeah Venom dies here. Crona is faster and stronger. Right, Good
  17. Jon Talbain vs Sabrewulf | Reason: KI downgrades, that's say enough. Right, Good
  18. Red vs Blue | Reason: Even in canon Blue have done and has more impressive stuff than reds so they're wins. Right, Good
  19. Batgirl vs Spidergwen | Reason: Batman vs Spider-Man moment. No, really it's just batman vs Spider-Man with a bit more text. Right, Decent
  20. Sanji vs Rock Lee | Reason: Unless we give gates, Sanji seems to win here. Right, Good
  21. Hulk vs Broly | Reason: Broly might win if Hulk doesn't start at his strongest, but at peaks Hulk strongest there is. Wrong, Decent
Season 8
  1. Yoda vs Mickey mouse | Reason: KH upgrades done, Mickey takes it with Speed and AP. Besides, he also owns Star Wars. Right, Good
  2. Shadow vs Ryuko | Reason: Even base Shadow beats Ryuko, so it's obvious. Right, Good
  3. Lex vs Doctor Doom | Reason: While the Post-Flashpoint Warsuit does have a massive power advantage and the ability to blitz Base Doom, Doom's magic gives him the speed to match the Warsuit, as well as many different ways to hax stomp Lex into the ground, and both Ovoid Mind Transfer and High 1-B absorption go brrr Right, Good
  4. Heihachi vs Geese | Reason: Yeah Heihachi takes this with enough effort in AP and speed. Right, Good
  5. Blake vs Mikasa | Reason: More harder to find reasons for Mikasa to win ngl. Right, Good
  6. Iron fist vs Po | Reason: Despite being slower, Po is still stronger and haxier to take W. He's Kung Fu fighting after all. Right, Good
  7. Steven Universe vs Star Butterfly | Reason: Star is Uni, but apparently her physicals don't scale to it atm so Steven blitz and one shot. Wrong, Decent
  8. Link vs Cloud 2 | Reason: Zelda downgrades and Final Fantasy upgrades at same time, what we have? Dead Link that's what. Right, Good
  9. Batman vs Iron Man | Reason: While bit vague due to not having every suit catalogued, Godbuster beats Hellbat. Right, Good
  10. Reverse Flash vs Goku Black | Reason: Even if weaker, Thawne is still far faster and haxier to take win. Right, Good
  11. Macho-Man vs Kool aid Man | Reason: We technically have one Macho-man profile, but its not the one used. Unrankable
  12. DIO vs Alucard | Reason: Al has been buffed to stomp in AP. However it seems he is getting downgrades, but for now... Wrong, Decent
  13. Akuma vs Shao Khann | Reason: For same reason as Shang Tsung vs Akuma and Bison vs Khann. Akuma is too strong for Shao to fight against, despite using crossovers and that non canon feats again. Wrong, Bad
  14. Korra vs Storm | Reason: Korra speedblitzes Storm with only Building level durability. Please someone go buff Storm's profile because WHY ARE WE HERE Right, Good Wrong, Decent
  15. Madara vs Aizen | Reason: Basically Aizen AP stomps and I guess Madara can't do stuff about it. Even if Madara had AP, Aizen's Hogyouku would bring him back stronger too. Wrong, Decent
  16. Saitama vs Popeye | Reason: Even if Saitama could be strong enough to kill Popeye in one punch, Popeye still have his regen and transmutation punch. Right, Good
Season 9
  1. Harley Quinn vs Jinx | Reason: Yeah, Jinx has like City level weaponary which is more than enough to beat Harley, not only that, but Arcane Jinx (which was used on the episode) is not physically stronge. Right, Decent
  2. Scarlett Witch vs Zatanna | Reason: Well, uh, we do not have Pre-crisis Zatanna profile so I can't say exactly who should win here, debate by itself in general is already quite complicated, Iffy for now
  3. Tanjiro Kamado vs Jonathan Joestar | Reason: Jojo is so-so much faster here. Right, Good
  4. Thor vs Vegeta | Reason: Good Vegeta is dead Vegeta after recent Thor buffs, even if Vegeta is more consistent, he ain't beating God Blast Right, Good
  5. Omni-Man vs Homelander | Reason: You serious? Right, Good
  6. Magneto vs Tetsuo | Reason: For now would need a bit deeper look which is why this is Iffy
  7. Heracles vs Sun Wukong | Reason: No mythologies profiles for Heracles? That's right, which is why we can't measure how right it is by default Unrankable
  8. Boba Fett vs Predator | Reason: Boba scales higher in AP and Speed than Predator so he wins. Right, Good
  9. Raiden vs Excalibur | Reason: Excalibur pretty much one shots Raiden and is similar speed. Right, Good
  10. James Bond vs John Wick | Reason: Stats are nearly equal and Bond outgadgets Wick. Right, Good
  11. Black Adam vs Apocalype | Reason: Apocalypse at his best beats Adam pretty decently. Right, Good
  12. Xeno Trunks vs Archie Silver | Reason: 7D vs not 7D means dead not 7D, aka epic first Trunks L in a VS Show. Right, Good
  13. SpongeBob vs Aquaman | Reason: Oh boy time for SpongeGod swe- what do you mean SF Aquaman has no profile?? Unrankable
  14. Jason Vorhees vs Michael Myers | Reason: No matter the timeline, Jason overpowers Michael, even if the gap isn't that big compared to other MUs. Right, Good
  15. Sauron vs Lich King | LotR are getting profile changes, but it seems even now The One Ring does seem to rule them all. However they could have been better at reasoning. Right, Bad
  16. Deku vs Asta | Asta sure does beat Deku. Surely no one would get toxic about that haha, but it appears DB was kinda bad at Asta's analysis, enough to use a feat that didnt actually happen. Oops. Right, Bad
  17. Gogeta vs Vegito | Yes, Goku and Vegeta does beat Goku and Vegeta. Right, Good
Season 10
  1. Ant-Man vs Atom | Ant sure is big but no profiles for Atom. Unrankable
  2. Skyrim vs Dark Souls | Chosen Undead dies. Right, Good
  3. Killua vs Misaka | Not a shocker who wins. Right, Good
  4. Stitch vs Rocket | No Rocket profile for comics? Weird. Unrankable
  5. Darth Vader vs Obito | The Force is strong on Vader, making stat gap more notable than in the ep, even if Obito has good hax. Wrong, Bad
  6. Phoenix vs Raven | Goth GF does not bird up Phoenix Force. Wrong, Bad... exceeeeept it seems Raven's comic profiles have been deleted after writing this. Can't rank this anymore haha Unrankable
  7. Guts vs Dimitri | Even if Guts would be faster, Dimitri is too strong for him to handle. Right, Decent
  8. Martian Manhunter vs Silver Surfer | The Power Cosmic Right, Good
  9. Bill Cipher vs Discord | This episode buffed Bill but Discord UNO reversed it with his own buffs. Wrong, Decent
  10. Cole MacGrath vs Alex Mercer | Cole is much stronger and much faster, even if he lacks some resistances. Right, Decent
  11. Frieza vs Megatron | Even if Frieza was lowballed and Megatron highballed, Frieza beats G1 Cartoon + IDW comics Meg with raw power. Right, Decent
  12. Gojo vs Makima | Gojo has the powers and stats to beat Makima, even speed really. Right, Decent
  13. Scooby-Doo vs Courage | Draw is the good outcome... except according to profiles thats impossible :V Wrong, Bad
  14. Rick Sanchez vs The Doctor | Stats were bit low, The Doctor does take the Wubba Lubba Dub Dub here. Right, Decent
  15. Goku vs Superman 3 | Supes might be able to beat Goku here now, but not SDBH Goku :V While World Forger Superman would beat DBH Goku, due to DC temporary powerup rules, it is not notable enough to receive a separate Key. Wrong, Decent
  16. Galactus vs Unicron | Ultimate Nullifier and cosmology go brr, but they were bit inconsistent on Unicron's stats. Right, Decent
You can always ask your opinions on how to rank these eps, old ones too.
 
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Tracer vs Scout | Reason: we either have Tracer blitzing or Scout one shotting. Tough one, I'll say Right, Decent for now.

Scout no longer has the ability to oneshot as Tracer is High 8-C

Black widow vs widowmaker | Reason: Natasha is faster and stronger that alone is enough to win. До свидания, Роковая Вдова. Right, Good.

Black Widow is no longer faster or stronger now, she is 9-B with one High 8-C bomb and Hypersonic while Widow is High 8-C and Hypersonic

Harley Quinn vs Jinx | Reason: Yeah, Jinx has like City level weaponry which is more than enough to beat Harley, not only that, but also Arcane Jinx (which was used on the episode) is stronger, Right, Good.

Arcne Jinx is weaker tho
 
SpongeBob vs Aquaman | Reason: Oh boy time for SpongeGod swe- what do you mean SF Aquaman has no profile?? Unrankable

Jason Vorhees vs Michael Myers | Reason: No matter the timeline, Jason overpowers Michael, even if the gap isn't that big compared to other MUs. Right, Good.
(Although should odd scaling and teleportation be criticized?)

These are fine, ye? Also are LotR and WoW profiles up now?

Scout no longer has the ability to oneshot as Tracer is High 8-C

Black Widow is no longer faster or stronger now, she is 9-B with one High 8-C bomb and Hypersonic while Widow is High 8-C and Hypersonic

Arcne Jinx is weaker tho
So Scout, BW loses, Arcane Jinx still wins but less accurate?
 
These are fine, ye? Also are LotR and WoW profiles up now?
WoW yes, LOTR no
So Scout, BW loses, Arcane Jinx still wins but less accurate?
Yes, yes, and eh, the did a weird pseudo-composite for Jinx as they considered Arcane to be an early part of her timeline, as well as using non-canon items and feats, but in-canon she has feats on the same level as the ones they gave her anyways, they came to the correct conclusion with her stats and overall victory but used bad examples to do so
 
Once that very real and legit 2-B Immeasurable CRT for Ganondorf and Link goes through because of Goddess scaling and Ganondorfs laugh transcending space-time, those rankings will change

For Sephiroth vs Vergil it is wrong by our standards since even with the recent DMC downgrades he's still Low 1-C and Immeasurable (Which kinda cringe imo but it is what it is) while Sephiroth, well, isn't.
 
Once that very real and legit 2-B Immeasurable CRT for Ganondorf and Link goes through because of Goddess scaling and Ganondorfs laugh transcending space-time, those rankings will change
You sure like Zelda huh
WoW yes, LOTR no

Yes, yes, and eh
Oh right, is TracerScout Wrong Decent or Wrong Bad, same with Widow vs Widow?

Also also, are comics profiles still bad that Korra speedblitzes Storm?
 
If we count the QnQ, I'd personally lower the Sauron vs Arthas fight to a decent. There noticeable issues that I noticed on the LoTR front (not too sure about the WoW front).

Though it's still decent, since most of the research was still fine.
 
Don't like it enough to agree with semi-recent attempts to make it tier 4 to tier 2
I dunno what feats are those Tier 4 or Tier 2 ones, but generally Id default to no afaik.

If we count the QnQ, I'd personally lower the Sauron vs Arthas fight to a decent. There noticeable issues that I noticed on the LoTR front (not too sure about the WoW front).

Though it's still decent, since most of the research was still fine.
It seems we only have 'Right, Good' & 'Right, Decent', what kind of mistakes were in the episode? If bad enough, we can drop.
 
I dunno what feats are those Tier 4 or Tier 2 ones, but generally Id default to no afaik.


It seems we only have 'Right, Good' & 'Right, Decent', what kind of mistakes were in the episode? If bad enough, we can drop.
Paragraphing my post last time.

  • They mistook Infinite Speed for teleportation (despite IT BEING SPECIFIED IN THE DAMN FOOTNOTES OF THE LINE THEY USED!)
  • They scaled Sauron to a feat he has barely any connection to
  • They decided against using a Moon feat for Sauron, despite the involved characters being several levels lower than him in direct scaling
  • Their arguments against MFTL+ are iffy (about the same level as iffy as not using 5-B for WoW apparently)
  • Their arguments against scaling Greater Maiar to Valar is faulty (but at the time our wiki had poor evidence for this admittedly)
However, their lower end stuff was all good, so I still think it was decent.
 
Ok, talking about Blog & Cast QnAs. Should they be factored? They aren't the episodes but they might change things.
 
Ok, talking about Blog & Cast QnAs. Should they be factored? They aren't the episodes but they might change things.
Well the blogs sometimes hold crucial explanations that the episode does not (Ben 10 vs Green Lantern comes to mind), so they can be very important.

For a case like Dragonborn vs Chosen Undead it's not as important, as the episode contains most of the justifications they used.
 
I dunno what feats are those Tier 4 or Tier 2 ones, but generally Id default to no afaik.
Not gonna into detail for all of them, all you need to know is that one of those "feats" was universe scale reality warping that is actually just dimensional travel. Which is bad but not as bad as the time we made 90% of Zelda Low 2-C for a Island level feat.
 
Oh right, is TracerScout Wrong Decent or Wrong Bad, same with Widow vs Widow?
Tracer vs Scout was...weird, because even back then Tracer still would have debatably won, she just didnt have as many feats to solidify that win like she does now, but at the same time they really botched Scout's portrayal in terms of weapons and abilities, only giving him his base weapons and for some reason allowing him to move and fight while under the effects of BONK.

Widow vs Widow was technically wrong from the start as all of the High 8-C feats were around at the time of the fight, it's just that no one bothered to calc them
 
SpongeBob vs Aquaman | Reason: Oh boy time for SpongeGod swe- what do you mean SF Aquaman has no profile?? Unrankable
Honestly, even if we did scale Aquaman to this, Spongebob out haxes and stomps in every single category. I’d say it’s accurate by a landslide stomp.
Ant-Man vs Atom | Ant sure is big but no profiles for Atom. Unrankable
Didn’t Comic Atom used to have a profile here? I remember it being 9-C. If that’s the case, then the results are accurate.
 
Honestly, even if we did scale Aquaman to this, Spongebob out haxes and stomps in every single category. I’d say it’s accurate by a landslide stomp.

Didn’t Comic Atom used to have a profile here? I remember it being 9-C. If that’s the case, then the results are accurate.
No profile, not getting in. SpongeBob wins by most measurements but I prefer using VSW pages 100% which Seaman here lacks.

If you can find non-CW Atom profile, link it up.
 
Hmmm should we allow ranking if the scaling exists but not the profile?

Not that they even scaled Aquaman to Supes in the ep. Should he really?
 
Donkey Kong vs Knuckles | Reason: DK.... Donkey Kong, DK, Donkey Kong is dead. They've not used Archie for Knuckles and there was not power ups, aparantely but at same time for DK was used only Donkey Kong Country, so Knuckles flexed his muscles enough to win, Wrong, Decent
I think because of recent upgrades in both AP and speed, plus all the new multipliers, base Knuckles can actually hang around DK and probably outspeeds him by a good amount (Although the spindash multiplier came from Sonic Prime, which released way after this episode). I don't know if this allows Knuckles to win or not, but it's something to note. This also applies to Tails vs Luigi description too.
 
I think because of recent upgrades in both AP and speed, plus all the new multipliers, base Knuckles can actually hang around DK and probably outspeeds him by a good amount (Although the spindash multiplier came from Sonic Prime, which released way after this episode). I don't know if this allows Knuckles to win or not, but it's something to note. This also applies to Tails vs Luigi description too.
Hmm dont know how much to change descriptions for them.
If scaling exists, I’d say go for it
Ehh, I'm unsure.

Also its funnier to deny obvious wins because of profile shenanigans lol
 
Thanks, cant get credit for it, majority of it was done in previous one :^)

And on funny denying. How many DC MUs are wrong because of "lmao DC downgrades"?
 
With Alien X's upgrades, I think "Wrong, Good/Bad" might be a good update

Edit: with Deadpool being 9-B now, does this affect the rating for Deathstroke vs Deadpool?
 
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[*]Sauron vs Lich King | LotR are getting profile changes, but it seems even now The One Ring does seem to rule them all, even if they could have been better at reasoning. Right, Decent
I'd change this to "Right, Bad" on further thought, they ****** up Sauron's stats pretty badly and literally pulled Arthas' speed right out of their asses
 
I'd change this to "Right, Bad" on further thought, they ****** up Sauron's stats pretty badly and literally pulled Arthas' speed right out of their asses
Both had their stats downplayed tbh, especially how they outright acknowledged that both of them have solid Planet level stuff but opted for island leve because it was more grounded
 
Actually yeah, maybe we could add "Right, Bad" and perhaps even "Wrong, Good"? Tho are there even latter ones.
 
Yoda vs Mickey mouse | Reason: Considering KH upgrades will proceed soon. Mickey should take it with Speed and AP. After all, he bought Star Wars. Right, Good
It is still Right, Good, but the KH upgrade has been finished and:
 
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I asked on the r/StreetFighter about Ryu using the Power of Nothingness vs Satsui no Hado, this is what I've heard so far:

Depends, I don't really think of Evil Ryu as a canon character so his power level is just always as strong as he needs to be.

Kage is the embodiment of the Satsui and technically Evil Ryu, and Ryu defeats Kage/E. Ryu in SFV.

It's implied to be at least on equal terms. It's the culmination of Gouken's teachings, and he was Akuma's equal. Hard to gauge Kage's strength in V, but Ryu's triumph over him might mean he even surpassed Akuma.

If Gouken can fight on par with Akuma, then I don't see why Ryu would be unable to do the same.

While Nothingness may not be explicitly "stronger", it is definitely a match for the Satsui no Hado
 
Depends, I don't really think of Evil Ryu as a canon character so his power level is just always as strong as he needs to be.
Never was a "as strong as he needs to be" according to Akuma and as seen in both alpha 2 and 3 games, the Evil Ryu you see Ryu transformed into which never happened canonically is meant to be comparable to Akuma
Kage is the embodiment of the Satsui and technically Evil Ryu, and Ryu defeats Kage/E. Ryu in SFV.
Ryu didnt beat Kage and Evil Ryu is not Kage either really, Evil Ryu is suppose to be Ryu if he went the path Akuma did, meanwhile Kage is the manifestation of the power itself

Kage tried to corrupt and make him give into the power and failed, as far as a physical fight went, Ryu isnt shown as a winner especially by the image shown, let alone Kage beat Akuma earlier, which informs Ryu as one of the people he couldnt beat by himself
It's implied to be at least on equal terms. It's the culmination of Gouken's teachings, and he was Akuma's equal. Hard to gauge Kage's strength in V, but Ryu's triumph over him might mean he even surpassed Akuma.
Not even true, part of it was explained above and Akuma beat Ryu with mu no ken nonetheless, Ryu literally says he goes all out vs him, just to hear Akuma question the idea of anybody remotely being equal to him at this point, as well as call Ryu pathetic later
If Gouken can fight on par with Akuma, then I don't see why Ryu would be unable to do the same.
Except Gouken fights Ryu with dark hado (aka him with just the purple aura) in SF4 and SF5, former he beats him and seals the power for a while, where as the latter he makes him snap out of it in a hadoken clash, what suggests base Ryu to be anywhere near Gouken level at all
While Nothingness may not be explicitly "stronger", it is definitely a match for the Satsui no Hado
Shown only to be the case with the ones of Ryu, not Akuma and Gouken which are masters of these beyond Ryu capability wity them in the series as of now
 
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