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Wait, they also included Devil Summoner in one of the black boxes! And they scaled to Lucifer! It was part of their reasoning for Almighty attacks bypassing reality warping from stronger characters than Gold Experience Requiem.
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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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So it's confirmed Weiss Vs Mitsuru is in fact one of the biggest stomps in DB history (ironically close if Weiss gets cross-tag scaling lol).
Ok... I get the doomposting but just... wow...
Tbh Joker can canonically jump you with entire pantheons of deities and demons, Giorno actually got off quite lightly.
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Here's how I can see things going, assuming that Bowser ends up winning:
Bowser will end up being stronger than Eggman, both in base and with their higher forms. Bowser's hax would be able to counteract some of Eggman's beefier abilities and machines, I could even see them arguing that Bowser and Kamek's transmutation shenanigans could counteract shit like the Metal Virus. Bowser's sheer durability and survivability would enable him to withstand anything Eggman throws his way, he'll, I wouldn't be surprised if Dry Bowser had a presence in this fight. And, if what I assume will be the case, Bowser's higher end forms like Dreamy Bowser or when has the Pure Hearts would allow him to trounce Eggman.
Mind you: none of these are indicators for what Death Battle will end up using in the end, but I'm just basing it off how I think they'll handle things.
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joker got good taste
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They didn't even bring up Jorge Joestar stuff. (Dio straight up kills Giorno, who had Gold Experience Requiem, in that book).
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Does Bowser have any counters to Eggman grabbing him by the tail and then swinging him into three conveniently placed explosives around the arena? Or for Eggman touching an axe that destroys the bridge Bowser is standing off that just so happens to be above a pool of lava?
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Had Joker summoned Pixie the fight would've been over on god
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Classic DIO behavior
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Tbf what man wouldnt date or score with a milf, especially if they look good
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That's Forces Speed Battle and that Phantom Ruby being capable of cloning every character in the series including the super trio.
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Nah, Outerversal Weiss ftw
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And let's not start on what he does with Giorno's corpse...
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Novel is way too different from the canon, eoh at least had story by araki and followed the canon of the series that it happened in it too
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Weiss breathed the same air as Superman which means they scale.
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I read Bowser & Kamex(Blastoise) for some reason,who actually go well together. Two large OP nintendo turtles with fire & water powers,respectively.
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Anyway, now that the fodder GER has been debunked and destroyed beyond death.
I hereby open the new church of Coco Jumbo, the true peak of JoJos that decimates GER thanks to his superior lifting strength
I hereby open the new church of Coco Jumbo, the true peak of JoJos that decimates GER thanks to his superior lifting strength
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I think they also implied in the black boxes that they looked at all of the non-canon stuff for Giorno too.
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Weiss could be 1-A and still take nothing but Ls, so this tracks.
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Counterpoint: all Bowser has to do is bonk Eggman's machines a couple times and he wins.
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What does he do with his corpse? I never read the books.
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Both Bowser & Eggman at peak one-off item threaten all of spacetime. Unless they go 11D Mario Cosmology they are about even.
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That fight was fine but all of it felt a bit... strange. Both sides analysis felt a bit undercooked. The animation was, while visually fine, felt a bit stiff and choppy. The battle also didn't last for as long as it perhaps should of. The final clash between GER and Sinful Shell also felt it should have been more grand than what it was. Perhaps it was rushed?
On to how Joker bypassed GER, I'm not that big of a fan of it, especially on GER's end. DB said in the black box that Araki wrote EoH and because of that RTZ was weak to reality warping and thus all almighty attacks bypass it. The problem however is that involves straight up false information. Araki did not write the EoH story, he only supervised it. Hiroshi Matasuyama and Noriaki Niino actually wrote the story with Araki basically telling them to write something original and keep the story with the theme of JoJo. He also helped out with character designs. That's all Araki did. At that point use novel and shooters scaling for GER, both are as equally canon as EoH (if not more in the latters case). Additionally, EoH GER works mechanically different then canon GER so them using it is even more dodgy.
DB using Joker's physiology as the 'trickster' who defies fate as well as explaining the depths of cognition and the collective unconscious and how Joker scales to it would've been a much better explanation for bypassing GER than just 'lol GER lost to reality warping in a non-canon game'
Overall I give the episode 6 out of 10. Correct winner. Great soundtrack. Good visuals (though the animation can be a bit choppy at times). Analysis was okay (seriously why did they scale base GE to Star Platinum???). Fight felt short. Ending of fight felt underwhelming and the final clash should have been greater than what was shown. Reasons for bypassing GER involved straight up wrong information and should've used better options.
On to how Joker bypassed GER, I'm not that big of a fan of it, especially on GER's end. DB said in the black box that Araki wrote EoH and because of that RTZ was weak to reality warping and thus all almighty attacks bypass it. The problem however is that involves straight up false information. Araki did not write the EoH story, he only supervised it. Hiroshi Matasuyama and Noriaki Niino actually wrote the story with Araki basically telling them to write something original and keep the story with the theme of JoJo. He also helped out with character designs. That's all Araki did. At that point use novel and shooters scaling for GER, both are as equally canon as EoH (
DB using Joker's physiology as the 'trickster' who defies fate as well as explaining the depths of cognition and the collective unconscious and how Joker scales to it would've been a much better explanation for bypassing GER than just 'lol GER lost to reality warping in a non-canon game'
Overall I give the episode 6 out of 10. Correct winner. Great soundtrack. Good visuals (though the animation can be a bit choppy at times). Analysis was okay (seriously why did they scale base GE to Star Platinum???). Fight felt short. Ending of fight felt underwhelming and the final clash should have been greater than what was shown. Reasons for bypassing GER involved straight up wrong information and should've used better options.
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Novel GER has way more shit than canon GER. He only 'lost' to Dio because he actually wanted to become Dio.
Also Dio had a 1-A transcendental God-Author on his side
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So you know Part 3 Dio? JJ Dio turns Giorno's corpse into that.
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Especially since they confirmed that Persona users can see stands. Without being able to sneak one shot him with something he can't see, Kira goes from 0.000000001% chance of winning to 0.Me looking at the chances of KiraDachi happening at all.
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They said death loop needs a hit to work and that he is infinite speed, also reality warping being the only thing beating it, which this site doesnt take in account
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why?Me looking at the chances of KiraDachi happening at all.
they love the MU
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Eh, Coco Jumbo can beat it
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To be honest, he would probably get weaker if he had more canon appearances.
GER is funny because it's vague and only appeared briefly. So a lot can be interpreted on his powers from that short amount of time + stats + guidebooks.
With more appearances that level of interpretation and vague vs debating goes away. And Shonen loves to make strong characters get beat by new villains to raise the stakes.
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I never understood how this became popular in the first place, to be honest.
Like just think about it: the only reference to 11-D in Mario, as far as I know, comes from that Master of Disguise Warrior game on the DS. And the reference in itself comes from one of the items you can get in the game being called String Theory Soul, with the description saying:
"All the secrets of the universe are contained in this soup. Drink not, lest you learn more than man was ever meant to know." |
I don't know how anyone looked at this, missing the comedic tone of the game, and said that this was legitimate. Especially since, again, this is the only known reference to this sort of shit in the franchise afaik.
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They kinda crippled Sauron's immeasurable speed by confusing it with the non-canon stuff to make it teleportation. Also technically made his scaling weaker since non-canon stuff makes others in-verse a lot closer to his level.
There's probably other characters.
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Oh yeah, never mentioned Bow vs Egg
Rooting for Eggman, betting Bowser
Kinda really want Eggman to win via the father daughter combo of him and Sage, mainly cause I think that'd be cute
Rooting for Eggman, betting Bowser
Kinda really want Eggman to win via the father daughter combo of him and Sage, mainly cause I think that'd be cute
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See you in 3 weeks.
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Regardless of the victor, at least give EggBow their due. The last time either of them were in DB they were downplayed into oblivion.
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Honestly, with how both of them break the 4th wall it'd be hilarious if they were just casually talking and the entire fight starts because they argued who was dealt the shorter straw in their fights
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We'll see. Thanks to the Sun Disc, they're on a 1/2 for decent research this "season". Hope the scale improves.
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