DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Gyra1524]

Ranking off JoJo's eps;
1. DIO vs Alucard (10/10)
2. Tanjiro vs Jonathan (9/10)
3. Joker vs Giorno (7/10)
4. Jotaro vs Kenshiro (6/10)

 

[TMaakkonen]

Any Bowser win arguments wont be taken well here.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

My review btw:

*I actually didn't mind the 2D rig animations and at times it looked quite stylized but I understand it's not for everyone and it can be stiff also I liked Jack Frost and Alice being used (one is the SMT/P mascot and the other is a SMT/P fan favourite with interesting lore).

*The VA'ing was pretty good, always a fun time seeing two rebellious protags with supernatural charisma bouncing off each other while fighting to a sweet soundtrack.

*I enjoyed the little P5 social link skit and the reactions to Gio's "colourful" heritage, both got a chuckle from me.

*Both characters were treated with a fair measure of respect and how a simple act of kindness (Ren trying to protect a woman and Gio helping a injured man) sparked their crazy cosmic journeys into the supernatural.

*Bonus points for having an outcome and research that made feasible sense.

8/10 episode for me and I appreciated all the nods and winks to the game mechanics of the Persona games while making it clear just how ridiculous GER is and against other combatants it's pretty much an auto-win (but Ren/Joker/Akira is just HIM!).

 

[Gyra1524]

Also, can I note that while Giornos's Va was good overall, his Muda barrage sounded so whiny and screechy, like a kid lost on COD and got mad.

 

[ShawnFaux]

At the end of the day, I think OmniDock just threw us for a loop. Like, yeah, of course Giorno loses to a guy who hard counters literally everything he does, no one should be shocked by that. And yet, OmniDock was so badly researched that it left a lot of us shook.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

See you in 3 weeks.

I'm just saying:

If Death Battle ends up taking the String Theory Soup shit seriously, that would completely cripple any sort of trust and faith people have with Death Battle's ability to do proper and well thought of research. I'd even go as far as to say that it would be way worse then the Sundisk shit from OmniDock, because at least the sun disk feat is something that actually exists in Invincible unlike String Theory in Mario.

 

[ShawnFaux]

while making it clear just how ridiculous GER is and against other combatants it's pretty much an auto-win (but Ren/Joker/Akira is just HIM!).

Exactly, they paid it a lot of respect. It's a very strong ability, but unfortunately Ren is basically it's hard counter.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Regardless of the victor, at least give EggBow their due. The last time either of them were in DB they were downplayed into oblivion.

To be fair Bowser wasn't too downplayed overall (Although making his intelligence so low to the point of illteracy and giving him like 3 of his abilities was stupid as hell lmao) it was more so they absurdly wanked Ganondorf and gave him the funny "Oh it's literally impossible to kill him without a holy weapon" thing.

 

[Tyranno223]

Exactly, they paid it a lot of respect. It's a very strong ability, but unfortunately Ren is basically it's hard counter.

Yeah, beyond just being too higher-dimensional or something, you need to be from a really haxed verse to resist that.

 

[Tipper17]

 

[Starsprite53]

String theory is really unuseful nowadays unless the verse operates on brane cosmology or something similar. The verse already has stronger higher-dimensional arguments, such as the Cutout and Matter Splatter galaxy. However, the issue is that no characters actually scale to the former, and the latter is more of a reach, relying on loosely interpreted evidence

 

[Dust_Collector]

DB using higher dimensional stuff for either of them would be pretty cringe

 

[Gyra1524]

Also also, I find the death the worst out of the rest of the JoJo eps if the Sinful Shell went back to Satanael but it resisted and continued forward then led to GER Mudaing it until he completely shatters like DIO did in his fight with Jotaro instead of him having his arm blown off, it could've been so much cooler than it was.

 

[Deidalius]

ngl, the episode was a 4/10 for me

Giorno was stomping until Joker just one shot him

The fight animation was boring, clunky and ugly

The fight was short af

Really, the only good thing about the episode is the song

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Yeah realistically neither verse reaches Tier 1 outside of wonky standards

 

[ShawnFaux]

Yeah, beyond just being too higher-dimensional or something, you need to be from a really haxed verse to resist that.

For sure. Like if Giorno Fans want some real turbo cope, GER absolutely bodies Dragon Ball Super Goku (I said that earlier in the thread, but now that Giorno's taken his L, I feel it bears repeating.)

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

So you know Part 3 Dio? JJ Dio turns Giorno's corpse into that.

Oof.

This is reminds me, I'm watching METAs' (he's a JoJo power scaler) stream, and one of his friends brought up something funny. Basically every other piece of media GER shows up besides the manga actually makes GER weaker (mostly because he gets washed by the main antagonists).

(By the way, METAs and co. agree with the episode).

 

[TMaakkonen]

Yeah realistically neither verse reaches Tier 1 outside of wonky standards

Maaaaybe 5D Sonic if you use Hypertimelines as "there exists at least 2 different universes, therefore there exists a higher one to hold them". But then Pure Hearts kind of also get 5D for that.

 

[SpecterSkater]

Something else I noticed that I don't think any of us here brought up as a possibility, but there was a black box in the post-fight analysis that said the Velvet Room could have served as a sanctuary from GER like it did against Yaldabaoth since it exists outside of space-time.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

String theory is really unuseful nowadays unless the verse operates on brane cosmology or something similar. The verse already has stronger higher-dimensional arguments, such as the Cutout and Matter Splatter galaxy. However, the issue is that no characters actually scale to the former, and the latter is more of a reach, relying on loosely interpreted evidence

Matter Splatter Galaxy? I know what that stage is, but I didn't know that had some higher dimensional arguments to it.

Do you mind elaborating? I don't care if it's considered a reach or not, I just want to know the thought process behind it and what the evidence is.

 

[Theuser789]

Maaaaybe 5D Sonic if you use Hypertimelines as "there exists at least 2 different universes, therefore there exists a higher one to hold them". But then Pure Hearts kind of also get 5D for that.

Hypertimeline is for a dimension of time beyond regular one. Sonic gets it because characters can use time abilities in White Space which is timeless (Thus there's a hypertimeline). Although both Eggman and Bowser are being placed at 2-A at BEST.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Spoiler: This episode

 

[Starsprite53]

Maaaaybe 5D Sonic if you use Hypertimelines as "there exists at least 2 different universes, therefore there exists a higher one to hold them". But then Pure Hearts kind of also get 5D for that.

There is also cutout, but I hate how Mario fans keep arguing that the hearts can affact it when there is no evidence for it

 

[Gyra1524]

Joker may have won but the entire Italian Mafia is gonna be on his ass for the rest of his life.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

10/10 fight, better than Iron man vs Lex Luthor, goku vs superman trilogy, megaman battle royale and Chun li vs Mai Shiranui

 

[CBslayeR]

Joker may have won but the entire Italian Mafia is gonna be on his ass for the rest of his life.

oh yeah his identity as the leader of the PTs is just public lmao

 

[Tipper17]

Also also, I find the death the worst out of the rest of the JoJo eps if the Sinful Shell went back to Satanael but it resisted and continued forward then led to GER Mudaing it until he completely shatters like DIO did in his fight with Jotaro instead of him having his arm blown off, it could've been so much cooler than it was.

That's my issue it felt anti climatic and should've been where RTZ kicks in but you see sinfell shell fighting back

 

[Starsprite53]

Sonic gets it because characters can use time abilities in White Space which is timeless (Thus there's a hypertimeline).

Mario can also use time abilities in timeless places

 

[ShawnFaux]

I'll be serving up premium, high-end Giorno cope all day for those who want it:

If you think about it, the fight animation actually made GER way stronger, because Joker saw him as such a threat that he felt like he had to straight up kill him rather than just steal his treasure like he normally would. (I know the research says he could just kill him normal almighty attacks, but I'm just referring to the animation for cope purposes.)

 

[Deidalius]

Giorno is a fraud and now I look bad.

 

[ShionAH]

So does Bowser have a chance? Death Battle will probably ignore the 6D stuff so...?

 

[TMaakkonen]

Finally, Im not on copium receiving end after a DB.

I might be in 3 weeks.

 

[DRW001]

Oof.

This is reminds me, I'm watching METAs' (he's a JoJo power scaler) stream, and one of his friends brought up something funny. Basically every other piece of media GER shows up besides the manga actually makes GER weaker (mostly because he gets washed by the main antagonists).

(By the way, METAs and co. agree with the episode).

that's wrong though? The only two other pieces of media GER lost in was Eyes of Heaven and Jorge Joestar.

Eyes of Heaven has already been discussed here

Jorge Joestar I'd argue doesn't even count because Giorno wanted to be Dio and that they were working together the entire time. Also Dio had Beyond by this side, tf you want GER to do lol. Hell in the novel GER straight up one-shots Pucci with void shenanigans despite MiH being at insane acceleration as well as negating his own death. Given what GER does in that novel, I'd argue it's stronger than canon GER tbh

Every piece of media other that those two bigs up GER, whether in All Star Battle where GER is the only stand in the game that no sells MiH and referred to as the 'Supreme' ability in the glossary, Stardust Shooters where it greatly expands on what RTZ can do and makes it more busted, Lost Survivor where GER no sells all attacks from every other stand in the game, etc. Not even talking about the guidebooks where they straight up jack GER off

 

[Theuser789]

Mario can also use time abilities in timeless places

There's more to it than that but tbh I don't fully understand hypertimelines.

 

[Theuser789]

So does Bowser have a chance? Death Battle will probably ignore the 6D stuff so...?

You should be asking if Eggman has a chance tbh.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Hypertimeline is for a dimension of time beyond regular one. Sonic gets it because characters can use time abilities in White Space which is timeless (Thus there's a hypertimeline). Although both Eggman and Bowser are being placed at 2-A at BEST.

fiction being inconsistent with time? must be a hypertimeline

 

[Braking]

Giorno is a fraud and now I look bad.

Was your pfp that for a while or did you put it on after the db


Anyways the track made me pee a lil

 

[Deidalius]

Was your pfp that for a while or did you put it on after the db

My previous pfp was a Giorno pfp with a signature saying that I am his strongest supporter, but due to recent events I changed it to this.

Anyways the track made me pee a lil

Keep that to yourself, that's a disgusting thing to say out loud.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

So does Bowser have a chance? Death Battle will probably ignore the 6D stuff so...?

There are several reasons which have been listed on previous pages here on the thread. But the main arguments in Bowser's victory are greater strength and durability, counters to Eggman's beefier options, and having his own options which shut down Eggman's best options for victory.

Plus DB usually scales Mario characters above Game Sonic characters so that stacks things in Bowser's victory, though I will still retain the thought process that it'll be a lot closer than what some people are trying to paint it as.

 

[Braking]

My previous pfp was a Giorno pfp with a signature saying that I am his strongest supporter, but due to recent events I changed it to this.

Poor Giorno gonna get edited in a futurama jar

Keep that to yourself, that's a disgusting thing to say out loud.

Heh. My bad teach.