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Just thinking instead of going through that again, cause it has been shown that all it is affecting in the final cataclysm is the planet, since it is simply turning earth into another sun
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The End All Be All of Fire Force Revision Threads!
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"World" is a word that holds multiple meanings depending on the context. World can mean society, planet, universe, realm/dimension... etc depending on the context, one of the most common usages of the word "world" used in fiction is it being used to refer to other universes/realities... especially in Japanese media
Also it being used separately in one scene doesn't mean it means the same thing in the other, especially when the second scan talks about other celestial bodies such as stars and moons, which is context given that world refers to the greater cosmos than just the planet.
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bro, you're ignoring the stars, your argument dies for there,because in the same scan you posted,it literraly mentions the stars,and also,what the heck?
What are you talking about? Only those who will be universal are Adolla, La Evangelista and Shinrabanshoman. nobody else,why people are saying that stupidity
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Def not assumption.
It is not an issue, it is my argument. The author separated two terms, which means one is universal scale and the other is plantery scale.
I don't need to listen. Sekai means world as @Arc7Kuroi said. The author explicitly separated the two terms unless your argument is that there are two universes, you have to show the evidence.
Don't talk about context, either it is two universes which you have to prove it or one is planet as the first scan showed and one is universe.
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Alexander treating Pain like a filler villain.
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Alexander's the final boss now that XXKING is gone
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My god these people don't like synonyms.
the author does not write ''hoshi''when giovanni talks about the physics of the world,he talks about the ''sekai''or ''world''but he does not referring to earth.
and considering the amount of things he is saying,it does not make sense that the world is reffering to earth only,because again,the stars and the moon does not make part of earth
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He's always been the final boss, XXKINGXX69 was just a fragment of Alexander's power given form.
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You are going to prove the existence of two universes @Alexander. Till then, not going to buy any arguments from your side.
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XXKING walked so Alexander could run
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But what are you talking about? You're not talking about another universe, they're talking about the same one. not from another universe, they refer to the same universe.
it's the same storyline with zeref affecting the universe again, but changed.
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I'd like to nominate @ImmortalDread for this award.I'd hate to see who comes to leap after that run
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@Alexander prove there are two universes
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what arguments?
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in that scan he refers to the world (the earth) and then he says the universe.
but in the other, he clearly meant the universe.
For the last ******* time, world can mean the earth and the universe doesn't mean a thing.
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The current one, between you and Dread.
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Can we please not derail the thread too much? It’s already a clusterfuck with all the arguments going around as is
Also I think I was mistaken a little. Merging the two worlds would require there to be two universes if “sekai” means “universe.” Then I guess I would be proposing the existence of two universes, but at the same time, I don’t consider this unfounded
Also I think I was mistaken a little. Merging the two worlds would require there to be two universes if “sekai” means “universe.” Then I guess I would be proposing the existence of two universes, but at the same time, I don’t consider this unfounded
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he is referring to adolla, and adolla is another dimension, or rather a higher dimension.
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Still, the main thing that sticks out to me is the use of the term “sekai,” which is rather ambiguous and needs further context than simply assuming it means “planet”
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You did not prove anything. Send evidences
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What about the first shown cataclysm? Hm?
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My guy, you can't ignore context of a scene and insert you own headcanon... Where the hell did you get 2 universes from? If it because they used world and universe separately, you do know that world in that context refers to the planet (earth) and that universe means the greater universe. Again world has different means depending on the context of the scene.
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If it is not two universes, then you are proving me right. @PowerToScale
And one more info, the OP send raws and it shows that the world used there is the same as world in that universe scan.
So now who is doing headcanon?
And one more info, the OP send raws and it shows that the world used there is the same as world in that universe scan.
So now who is doing headcanon?
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I agree here that you can’t just say “don’t talk about context” for the sake of ignoring context to push an argument. That comes off as incredibly disingenuous
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Oh let's talk about context, prove me there is two universes if the world in that context means universe.
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It's not ignoring context, they're comparing scales, the scan itself says so.
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Again, sekai can mean planet or universe depending on the context. The kanji can be the exact same in both scans and mean different things because the context is different. “Sekai” is a word with more than one meaning
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Sure sure, let's pretend it is a universe.
You three did not prove the existence of 2 universes.
You three did not prove the existence of 2 universes.
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I never said there were two universes, it was you who came up with that idea, I simply pointed out that context can dictate a words meaning.
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I have already rebutted this position. Which I will again quote as you did not refute the position.
Counter Argument #3: “The universe statements are just flowery language.”
Rebuttal: This is a non argument and is completely dismissive of evidence presented.There is absolutely no bearing for this argument whatsoever. There is nothing “flowery” about the statements given in the series and in fact they are used quite literally time and time again. This is simply a poor attempt at dismissing the credible and in universe statements supporting the notion of Adolla affecting the whole universe rather than just some arbitrary range.
When Dragon states “let us determine the fate of the stars.” There is no “flowery language” in that statement. He’s talking purely literally because Adolla has actually shown to reality warp the stars. Which can even be seen all throughout the background of Dragon’s statement along every other background shot of space.
When Giovanni says “the physics of the world have been altered.” There is no flowery language in that statement because we’ve seen the universe be reality warped. Not only that but it’s also entirely consistent with this statement he made earlier as well.
There is no “flowery language” here with these statements. They’re made entirely literally and to try and dismiss these multitude of statements as “vague” or “flowery” is simply a poor dismissal of evidence presented and demonstrates why the current scaling for fire force is totally flawed due to the need to ignore and dismiss these statements in order for the scaling to remain the way it is currently.
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You can’t accuse someone of ignoring context if you’re literally going to ignore context in this post. If you value Haumea’s words so much why don’t you look at how she directly calls Adolla the will of the universe.
Furthermore, and thus part is very important. Not a single scan you posted has proved your position. And this is for one simple reason.
saying the planet will be destroyed=/= only the planet will be destroyed.
Haumea talks about Adolla being the will of the universe. But is this yet another statement to be dismissed?
I have already rebuttaled this point which you have failed to refute so I will reiterate.
Counter Argument #1: “Adolla is only merging with the planet and not the universe.”
Rebuttal: Objectively false. The reality warping happening within the series is due to Adolla merging with the universe.
Whatever Adolla merges with is whatever is being reality warped. If Adolla was just merging with the planet then there would be no reality warping done on the grand universe. But that clearly is not the case here.
Thus because we outright see Adolla reality warping the universe, far extending past a planetary range, multiple times, it is to be taken that Adolla is merging with the whole universe instead of just the planet as that stance is blatantly contradicted within the series.
Counter Argument #2: “Fire Force says only the world is being merged with Adolla. Therefore it can’t be the universe.”
Rebuttal: Irrelevant. World can = universe. This is known powerscaling 101. In fact world has been directly used to refer to the universe before as well. And considering that Adolla is both referred to as the universe’s will as well as it being outright stated multiple times that Adolla is affecting the wholeuniverse, coupled with the presence of multiple feats showcasing Adolla effecting the universe it should be taken as universe instead of just planetary. Merging with the world=/=only merging with the planet. Those two statement do not go hand in hand and needs to be proven to be the case.
It’s entirely consistent with the series while claiming it isn’t affecting the universe is contradictory to the series. It’s as simple as that.
So why is the universe in a visibly different art-style than what the world was originally? Why are the stars and moon reality warped and not just the earth? Why is Haumea directly calling Adolla the will of the universe?
You have failed to rebut anything I have talked about. You literally did not address a single argument I presented. You just went on your own spiel without actually rebutting anything.
Literally nothing here contradicts my position. As was stated earlier. Affecting the planet=/= only affecting the planet. Earth is just the main focus of the characters due to it being where the story is.
But by all accounts we fundamentally witness Adolla reality warping more than just the earth.
You can’t argue with on panel feats.
What are you talking about?
Are you joking? You have to be joking or severely misinformed. This only scales to two characters.
Shinrabanshoman and Adolla/Haumea. The actual god tiers of the verse. Please explain how Arthur or Beimaru become 3-A with this revision?
It’s not just “one misguided” statement. That’s just you arguing with the scans chief.
Dragon directly says the fight determines the future of the stars.
“oh it’s just flowery.”
- literally arguing against the manga.
Jiovanni reiterated that Adolla is reality warping the universe.
“Oh it’s just flowery”
- literally trying to ignore the manga for own personal opinion.
Haumea directly calls Adolla the will of the universe.
“Oh but she says the world will burn.”
- Literally there’s a fundamental distinction between “the planet” and “only the planet.”
TLDR;
Next time how about you actually refute my post instead of going off on your spiel. You literally did exactly what I said you would. In that you ignored feats in the series and dismissed multiple statements. You literally didn’t even try to address any of my arguments. Proven my the fact that you talked about none of the FEATS I brought up.
The fundamental distinction between your argument and mine is that in order for your position to work. You need to dismiss(1) multiple(2) statements(3) and completely(1) ignore feats(2) while absolutely nothing has to be ignored or dismissed for my position to work. Because nothing contradicts it unlike yours.
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So you are agreeing that the world there refers to "Planet". Gotchu
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No idea, some guy here claiming that the world means "universe", so the author is referring to two universes apparently.
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Aight, I'm pretty confident I fallen for a troll, if not. Do I think world means planet... Depends on context. if it is referring to the two scans from before, first scan world=planet, second scan world=universe.
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Earth does not mean universe. sekai means universe sekai can be used as both world and universe and the author does not talk about 2 universes or anything
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here he says that what will happen to the world will happen to the universe.
here he says that the physics of the ''world''(this time he means the universe)were change.
victor says that reality and the world of perception(adolla)where now one,meaning that all the universe was merge.
when giovanni says "world" he is not talking about the earth, he is talking about the universe, world (sekai) can also mean universe, and in the context that the stars had changed their shape, it would mean that what he said is TRUE.
do you understand now?or i need to explain again for the 5 time
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