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Just thinking instead of going through that again, cause it has been shown that all it is affecting in the final cataclysm is the planet, since it is simply turning earth into another sun
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"World" is a word that holds multiple meanings depending on the context. World can mean society, planet, universe, realm/dimension... etc depending on the context, one of the most common usages of the word "world" used in fiction is it being used to refer to other universes/realities... especially in Japanese mediaGuys, I won't argue over this. The scan explicitly showed and separated two words: World and Universe. And it even said matter of scale, unless you are making the biggest assumption that both means “universes”, then you have to show evidence for this.
But it makes 1000000% sense that it was referring world as in planet since the first scan of OP showed it perfectly how world looks like.
I won't argue based on assumptions or "Welp, mAybe it is a universe".
bro, you're ignoring the stars, your argument dies for there,because in the same scan you posted,it literraly mentions the stars,and also,what the heck?Has any of these points been addressed, I mean it took me days to come up with this from a previous thread.
FIRST
I will be addressing the whole "Jiovanni saying the universe" thing.
Like I said that's flowering, let's look at the context closely, From chapter 208. We have Haumea calling an assembly of all the white clads, in which jiovanni is part, Then she explicitly said, "bring fiery doom to this planet", Then she said the great cataclysm as started and there is no stopping it anymore. Then we have the whole yona speech explaining how he built the world for adolla. Then in chapter 234, we have a few of the white goons around still discussing. Literally, before Jiovanni made that statement Sumire and yona explained that great cataclysm simply ends humankind. And since they are the oldest pillars and withnessed the first cataclysm, they are sure as hell more knowledgeable. And also right before jiovanni said that, Haumea said the conclusion is death, in reference to yona's statement and charon's about mankind. Then we have Jiovanni making the statement "Human's heading for death, for destructions........... it is true of this planet, it is true of the universe"
Combining previous contexts, jiovanni words become flowery like I already said, and the way it was said was also flowery. so please stop this entire thing about his words been valid.
Anyway, to finish things, keep reading, you have a long way to go. Argue with scans not me.
And your beloved jiovanni said this about the great cataclysm and not flowery at all
Also he said this "Will turn this planet into a sun"
SECONDLY
Adolla is simply going to affect earth
I mean here are so many statements/showings saying that, and there are more.
1. Fiery doom to this planet
2. This planet will become a world of flames
3. turn this planet into a flaming sun
4. then this planet will become a world of fire
5. Jiovanni said "Will turn this planet into a sun"
6. Now grant this planet salvation
7. What the hell is happening to our planet
e.t.c.
THIRD
The great cataclysm is not adolla merging with the universe or something as that is what the OP implies, The great cataclysm is adolla merging with earth and giving birth to a new sun.
Here are the scans.
1. We will cause a great cataclysm.... turn this planet into a world of flame once more.... That is our mission..... for that purpose alone we
2. Light up the lost souls.... scorch the earth.... turn this planet into a flaming sun
3. Then this world will be a second sun
4. You want to make this planet? A STAR
5. Converting this planet into a sun
6. Too long to type, open it
7. the current sun was from a great cataclysm from the past
8. So we can light up this star (poor charon)
e.t.c.
FOURTH
Adolla and perception shenanigan, and despair. The entire adolla is simply the end of humans, as all things come to an end and that is what despair is
1. Send mankind back to the flame all in accordance with the evangelist will
2. we will turn all humans beings to flame and cover the earth in the great flame of fire
3. They wish for death
Three separate scans in that one
4. Extinction of mankind
5. consumed the land in which humanity lived
6. The world of perception and reality has become one and about half the planet is in flames
7. Everything in this world from humans all the way to the stars heads toward destrution the second they come to being
8. The human world is on its way to destruction
9. Too long to type
10. Too long to type
11. Amidst all those stars and planet, I saw the danger ours was facing
12. The human race is done for
13. Our world will unite with adolla and the planet will be burn to cinders
14. Hibana is cute and smart
15. Our world will be destroyed
16. Too long to type
17. Planet's subconscious
18. Humanity desires its own extermination and adolla is bring it to pass
e.t.c.
FIFTH
The great cataclysm completion is not anyway affecting the universe as thats what the OP entails, but rather earth alone.
1. Great cataclysm completion, and simply planet of flames
2. The birth of second sun
3. The great cataclysm now completed
4. The great cataclysm completion again
5. And the planet of water became the star.
6. The earth has become the sun
7. Only ones left on earth
8. Second sun
9. To the planet of black despair
10. Look at this planet
https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Fire-Brigade-Of-Flames/0296-009.png
11. With the completion of the great cataclysm, this planet was made into a sun.
e.t.c.
SIXTH
If this goes through, everyone's mother becomes 3-A, so many anti-feat.
SUMMARY
With the context provided and the fact that jiovanni referred to great cataclysm when he made that statement you are trying to use to upgrade them. He meant humanity and this becomes flowery.
Believe me the verse/adolla is consistently tier 5, and adolla is not AP related at all.
Like not even one showing of adolla can be equated to AP.
Now way in over 60 statements vs one misguided statement from a creep that you took well out of contexts. And I cannot stress this enough "Argue with the scans and not me"
This isn’t an assumption Dread.
Def not assumption.adolla is not a universe, it is the collective unconsciousness of humanity. although of course, maybe another universe exists if you consider the world of particles where shinra travels through time as one.
It is not an issue, it is my argument. The author separated two terms, which means one is universal scale and the other is plantery scale.The first scan explicitly says “world” AND “universe.” So idk what your issue is with that there.
I don't need to listen. Sekai means world as @Arc7Kuroi said. The author explicitly separated the two terms unless your argument is that there are two universes, you have to show the evidence.Again, you don't know synonyms then. world, listen, world can mean universe, because planet and world don't have the same meaning. And in this context, it makes more sense that it was the universe and not the planet, because seriously, it was made narratively clear that adolla is not limited to earth.
Don't talk about context, either it is two universes which you have to prove it or one is planet as the first scan showed and one is universe."World" is a word that holds multiple meanings depending on the context. World can mean society, planet, universe, realm/dimension... etc depending on the context, one of the most common usages of the word "world" used in fiction is it being used to refer to other universes/realities... especially in Japanese media
Alexander's the final boss now that XXKING is goneAlexander treating Pain like a filler villain.
My god these people don't like synonyms.I don't need to listen. Sekai means world as @Arc7Kuroi said. The author explicitly separated the two terms unless your argument is that there are two universes, you have to show the evidence.
He's always been the final boss, XXKINGXX69 was just a fragment of Alexander's power given form.Alexander's the final boss now that XXKING is gone
XXKING walked so Alexander could runHe's always been the final boss, XXKINGXX69 was just a fragment of Alexander's power given form.
I'd hate to see who comes to leap after that runXXKING walked so Alexander could run
You are going to prove the existence of two universes @Alexander. Till then, not going to buy any arguments from your side.
I'd like to nominate @ImmortalDread for this award.I'd hate to see who comes to leap after that run
what arguments?The arguments rn are legitimately so incoherent I can't even form a conclusion cause idek wtf is going on.
Thread clog is real.
in that scan he refers to the world (the earth) and then he says the universe.@Alexander prove there are two universes
The current one, between you and Dread.what arguments?
Can we please not derail the thread too much? It’s already a clusterfuck with all the arguments going around as is
Also I think I was mistaken a little. Merging the two worlds would require there to be two universes if “sekai” means “universe.” Then I guess I would be proposing the existence of two universes, but at the same time, I don’t consider this unfounded
he is referring to adolla, and adolla is another dimension, or rather a higher dimension.
You did not prove anything. Send evidencesin that scan he refers to the world (the earth) and then he says the universe.
but in the other, he clearly meant the universe.
For the last ******* time, world can mean the earth and the universe doesn't mean a thing.
Just thinking instead of going through that again, cause it has been shown that all it is affecting in the final cataclysm is the planet, since it is simply turning earth into another sun
My guy, you can't ignore context of a scene and insert you own headcanon... Where the hell did you get 2 universes from? If it because they used world and universe separately, you do know that world in that context refers to the planet (earth) and that universe means the greater universe. Again world has different means depending on the context of the scene.Don't talk about context, either it is two universes which you have to prove it or one is planet as the first scan showed and one is universe.
I agree here that you can’t just say “don’t talk about context” for the sake of ignoring context to push an argument. That comes off as incredibly disingenuousMy guy, you can't ignore context of a scene and insert you own headcanon... Where the hell did you get 2 universes from? If it because they used world and universe separately, you do know that world in that context refers to the planet (earth) and that universe means the greater universe. Again world has different means depending on the context of the scene.
Oh let's talk about context, prove me there is two universes if the world in that context means universe.I agree here that you can’t just say “don’t talk about context” for the sake of ignoring context to push an argument. That comes off as incredibly disingenuous
It's not ignoring context, they're comparing scales, the scan itself says so.I agree here that you can’t just say “don’t talk about context” for the sake of ignoring context to push an argument. That comes off as incredibly disingenuous
Again, sekai can mean planet or universe depending on the context. The kanji can be the exact same in both scans and mean different things because the context is different. “Sekai” is a word with more than one meaningIf it is not two universes, then you are proving me right. @PowerToScale
And one more info, the OP send raws and it shows that the world used there is the same as world in that universe scan.
So now who is doing headcanon?
I never said there were two universes, it was you who came up with that idea, I simply pointed out that context can dictate a words meaning.Oh let's talk about context, prove me there is two universes if the world in that context means universe.
I have already rebutted this position. Which I will again quote as you did not refute the position.Has any of these points been addressed, I mean it took me days to come up with this from a previous thread.
FIRST
I will be addressing the whole "Jiovanni saying the universe" thing.
Like I said that's flowering,
I have already rebuttaled this point which you have failed to refute so I will reiterate.SECONDLY
Adolla is simply going to affect earth
I mean here are so many statements/showings saying that, and there are more.
1. Fiery doom to this planet
2. This planet will become a world of flames
3. turn this planet into a flaming sun
4. then this planet will become a world of fire
5. Jiovanni said "Will turn this planet into a sun"
6. Now grant this planet salvation
7. What the hell is happening to our planet
e.t.c.
So why is the universe in a visibly different art-style than what the world was originally? Why are the stars and moon reality warped and not just the earth? Why is Haumea directly calling Adolla the will of the universe?THIRD
The great cataclysm is not adolla merging with the universe or something as that is what the OP implies, The great cataclysm is adolla merging with earth and giving birth to a new sun.
Here are the scans.
1. We will cause a great cataclysm.... turn this planet into a world of flame once more.... That is our mission..... for that purpose alone we
2. Light up the lost souls.... scorch the earth.... turn this planet into a flaming sun
3. Then this world will be a second sun
4. You want to make this planet? A STAR
5. Converting this planet into a sun
6. Too long to type, open it
7. the current sun was from a great cataclysm from the past
8. So we can light up this star (poor charon)
e.t.c.
Literally nothing here contradicts my position. As was stated earlier. Affecting the planet=/= only affecting the planet. Earth is just the main focus of the characters due to it being where the story is.FOURTH
Adolla and perception shenanigan, and despair. The entire adolla is simply the end of humans, as all things come to an end and that is what despair is
1. Send mankind back to the flame all in accordance with the evangelist will
2. we will turn all humans beings to flame and cover the earth in the great flame of fire
3. They wish for death
Three separate scans in that one
4. Extinction of mankind
5. consumed the land in which humanity lived
6. The world of perception and reality has become one and about half the planet is in flames
7. Everything in this world from humans all the way to the stars heads toward destrution the second they come to being
8. The human world is on its way to destruction
9. Too long to type
10. Too long to type
11. Amidst all those stars and planet, I saw the danger ours was facing
12. The human race is done for
13. Our world will unite with adolla and the planet will be burn to cinders
14. Hibana is cute and smart
15. Our world will be destroyed
16. Too long to type
17. Planet's subconscious
18. Humanity desires its own extermination and adolla is bring it to pass
e.t.c.
What are you talking about?FIFTH
The great cataclysm completion is not anyway affecting the universe as thats what the OP entails, but rather earth alone.
1. Great cataclysm completion, and simply planet of flames
2. The birth of second sun
3. The great cataclysm now completed
4. The great cataclysm completion again
5. And the planet of water became the star.
6. The earth has become the sun
7. Only ones left on earth
8. Second sun
9. To the planet of black despair
10. Look at this planet
https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Fire-Brigade-Of-Flames/0296-009.png
11. With the completion of the great cataclysm, this planet was made into a sun.
e.t.c.
SIXTH
If this goes through, everyone's mother becomes 3-A, so many anti-feat.
It’s not just “one misguided” statement. That’s just you arguing with the scans chief.SUMMARY
With the context provided and the fact that jiovanni referred to great cataclysm when he made that statement you are trying to use to upgrade them. He meant humanity and this becomes flowery.
Believe me the verse/adolla is consistently tier 5, and adolla is not AP related at all.
Like not even one showing of adolla can be equated to AP.
Now way in over 60 statements vs one misguided statement from a creep that you took well out of contexts. And I cannot stress this enough "Argue with the scans and not me"
So you are agreeing that the world there refers to "Planet". GotchuI never said there were two universes, it was you who came up with that idea, I simply pointed out that context can dictate a words meaning.
No idea, some guy here claiming that the world means "universe", so the author is referring to two universes apparently.What the hell is 2 universes
Aight, I'm pretty confident I fallen for a troll, if not. Do I think world means planet... Depends on context. if it is referring to the two scans from before, first scan world=planet, second scan world=universe.So you are agreeing that the world there refers to "Planet". Gotchu
Earth does not mean universe. sekai means universe sekai can be used as both world and universe and the author does not talk about 2 universes or anythingNo idea, some guy here claiming that the world means "universe", so the author is referring to two universes apparently.
here he says that what will happen to the world will happen to the universe.You did not prove anything. Send evidences