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Tier High 8-C Survival of the Fittest Tournament 2022
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Well well well....we have made it to Round 5 now so far so good, Let's start this.
- Group A (Round 5):
Joseph Joestar vs Charles Calvin has begin. - Group B (Round 5):
Rubia Elstein vs NRG has begin.
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Talk about timezones, it's like middle of the night on my end, I might miss that match.
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Ehh Popted2 or anyone else would take care of it who knows how long will it last ya never know about these stuff.
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Gather votes for the current round.
FantaRin_The_First
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I'm honestly starting to want to do a Joseph vs K1-B0 match... but would be a mismatch for my 2nd favorite Jojo (1st is Jolyne) since the latter is a flying super fighting robot whose typical starting move is to go into the skies and start carpet-bombing everything in sight with his weapons and rockets.
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- Group A (Round 6):
Ming Xin vs Deku (My Hero) has begin. - Group B (Round 6):
Kafka vs Canas (Fire Emblem) has begin.
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luckily Joseph won't be facing off against K1. But NRG though, rip JOSEPH
FantaRin_The_First
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RIP Jojo... His only way of staying alive is nigerundayo-ing the **** away from NRG as fast as his legs can go... Too bad there isn't a random nazi plane to help him 'his time around.
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He could, If K1 win both of his matches and Rubia loses her remaining last match so both would have 6 points then we'd be force to do a Coin flip, Bascially Rubia needs to loose her last match at any cost.
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Looking at the brackets
Her final match seems to be against Canas Fire Emblem, And K1 must win his last two if he wants to make a glimmer of hope to advance.
Her final match seems to be against Canas Fire Emblem, And K1 must win his last two if he wants to make a glimmer of hope to advance.
FantaRin_The_First
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Heh. Hope.Looking at the brackets
Her final match seems to be against Canas Fire Emblem, And K1 must win his last two if he wants to make a glimmer of hope to advance.
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NEWS: Points table updated,
Rubia vs NRG resulted in a DRAW
Therefore both got 2 points (Incon rule) and now sits with 8 points on the points table, Which means awesome news for Canas and Kafka in Group-B cause now they all have a golden opportunity to advance.
Rubia vs NRG resulted in a DRAW
Therefore both got 2 points (Incon rule) and now sits with 8 points on the points table, Which means awesome news for Canas and Kafka in Group-B cause now they all have a golden opportunity to advance.
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Update 2:
Great debate, After a hard fought battle Rubia lost. EVERYONE is still alive in Group B they can still advance
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What's stopping NRG from demolishing and stomping every fighter in this tourney? Since NRG seems to have far more things at his disposal not present on his profile, which is outdated.
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The fact that Ming Xin has Soul Tearing attacks, And Joseph can K.O internal organs using Hamon Overdrive abilities plus if and only "if Joseph made it to the finale" I would allow the fight to go "all out" and what I mean by that is his NPI Stand Hermit Purple key would allowed to be used making it a very..... interesting debate.
FantaRin_The_First
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.... However, wouldn't Joseph be much weaker, less skilled, and a bit dumber than on the key he is using right now? He can't use Hermit Purple without being in his Stardust Crusader Key... which would probably result in him being AP screwed if he fought NRG. Also, since NRG appears to be an energy being, his KO internal organ hax with Hamon won't do shit.
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Also, if the last bit is true... then... wouldn't this mean NRG had an unfair advantage considering there is stuff that folks like me wouldn't know of that are very important for NRG but yet isn't known until it is brought up by you, DD?
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We'll see when he we'llill get there I myself also doesn't like the fact Kafka was chosen as he's weak as Antoniofer could've chosen someone powerful especially when he was given the opportunity knowing immortality and Regen users are allowed.
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It's on his profile, His skill comes from Ben that's there too all things he's done are using his powers, What power is missing ? None only things that's missing are his skills and those should be on Ben's profile not his (Those are two different beings). in fact he's not even a Regen users I wanted a High-Mid Regen user initially when I started this tourney but I left him and went NRG because other guy has Immortality Type 3.
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If a thing is not on profile (power/resistance) then it can't be used till a CRT is done.
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Please mention what's not on his profile ?
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I'll dicuss with Popted2 on that later "if that happens" also nothing needs CRT on NRG.
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His skill level, intelligence, stamina, ways of fighting, and his link to Ben Tennyson are missing, his range is incorrect, and all the feats and scans that were suddenly presented out of nowhere in this vs thread are missing too.
Basically, NRG's profile is a fraction of what his real capabilities are.
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yeah i absolutely don't wanna use the Old Joseph Key
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before anything i'm sorry, next time we are gonna check better our characters, yeah Demon is it a problem to use another Ben 10 Alien?
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It's mostly skill I think, which should be fair game since it's a potency thing which can be discussed in vs threads. The other thing is range which is a minor stat.
GoldenScorpions
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It would be minor if it didn't jump from "Tens of meters" to "Kilometers"
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It's not kilometers though. Like it's about a hundred meters judging from the visuals.
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His skill is here on Ben's profile and comes from his long history of battles with Vilgax. His Fighting style is already explained on his profile all I did is provide scans (His Range is under CRT and that wasn't even used NRG won due to his skill.
So someone has has absoption can eat powerful energy attacks in the show is now apparently wrong (That's why debates happen, We bring in those scans to show what our character can do and ALL the things he did are using already mentioned powers on high profile such as Absorption nothing new,)
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He's not as good as his young self but he's still intelligent and uses his ability in interesting ways. joseph would be trading his power by a few times over, stamina, skill, some intellect (not as much as you'd think tho), all of his hax gets watered down some and he loses his equipment and shit. As a trade off he gets invisible vines, mind reading and clairvoyance, which can help him but the latter two are a tad circumstantial, the only big thing HP would grant here is mobility and that he can channel Hamon through it, and thus use the long range of it to attack his foes directly with invisible, untouchable instant kill vines, which I guess is good? But everything else gets decreased in turn. Including the lethality of his hamon so it might not be an instant kill, though it'd at least ko.
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i'm sorry but i will only use Young Joseph, since his old self is just a shadow of what he was, no offense but Joseph clearly hit the "i was a protagonist but now i'm just a side character" like Naruto and others
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Yeah, given that you didn't like ANima characters, I only have those in Needless, and those are limited to only one power. If the tourney would have been 9-A, 8-C or Low 7-B, I would have suggested more haxy people.
GoldenScorpions
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Those scans (at least the most important ones) should have been present on the profile, that's the issue.
And it was a combination of outskilling, outranging and outexperiencing, on top of already outpowering, outresisting and out-attack-speeding. Based solely on what exists on NRG's profile currently, NRG had advantage in the latter 3 while Rubia had advantage on the former 3. But after the walls of text you and Greenshifter presented, it shifted into NRG being better than Rubia in all 6 areas.
Also, Ben is mentioned nowhere on NRG's profile
And it was a combination of outskilling, outranging and outexperiencing, on top of already outpowering, outresisting and out-attack-speeding. Based solely on what exists on NRG's profile currently, NRG had advantage in the latter 3 while Rubia had advantage on the former 3. But after the walls of text you and Greenshifter presented, it shifted into NRG being better than Rubia in all 6 areas.
Also, Ben is mentioned nowhere on NRG's profile
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If after hearing if you wanna pick a character like Kafka with 5 abilites on his profile then that's on you, Also this is a tournament not all matches are going to be 100 percent fair there will be people who can see ghosts, There will be pople who can't ! It's the nature of the fights you had 13 hours before the tourney started what did you people do, Pick weak characters then say those can't compete with mine. Infact Rubia can interact with NRG too that's not why she lost she lost to better skill which Greenshifter explained.
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Wall of text will be presented on every single Ben 10 character it's a show with 250+ episodes we will dig down the skills some will come from Ben, Some will come from others it's a combination but to say he needs powers missing CRT that's false whether that's eating a device that is going to destroy the Earth or Conquering a world lord who has been around for 200 years those all are done with current powers he has.
Why is outskilling an issue it happens in all the matches, outranging (That's what Rubia does and NRG range stated by green is pretty much same as Rubia it's not even Kilometers difference at all,). Outexperiencing (That one is on you guys of course if someone is picking a character he should have experience and I already showed you scans on Ben's experinece on Vsbattle written since years.)
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