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Anyway my premise is very easy to follow, everyone should be low 6-B. Some will just be slightly higher than others.
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Ben 10 Classic Series Revision Thread Part 2
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I updated the statistics so they’re not as high, that’s where Green’s main problem came from. Can I get more opinions from the staff?
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@Antvasima two staff members agree with my proposal. Should I make the changes now?
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The 6-B stuff seems fine. I say we are good to go.
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Ok. I'll make the changes.
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An explosion depleting all of his stamina should obviously hurt him to a high degree, so I'm not for the "low 6-B, likely higher". Do I ehm do the 2 times stuff later then?
Also it wouldn't be a bad idea to unclutter the scaling a bit, especially the one between OS Vilgax and Four Arms, DH and Kevin.
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BTW, weren’t we going to upgrade Ben, Gwen, and Kevin to Wall level+?
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We’ll have to make a clean up thread to for other stuff. I’m halfway done with changing the profiles though.
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What is left to do here?
Also, please remember to carefully read through and follow the instructions in our Common Editing Mistakes page, so no badly structured edits are made, and extensive cleanup work will not be necessary.
If you change the statistics for any characters, also remember to update the tier categories at the bottoms of the profile pages.
Also, please remember to carefully read through and follow the instructions in our Common Editing Mistakes page, so no badly structured edits are made, and extensive cleanup work will not be necessary.
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We have quite some stuff to do after this, mainly abilities and planetary tier people.
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Here's the updated calc. If this get's accepted, the plan is:
Low tiers: 46.5725 Teratons
Mid tiers: 93.145 Teratons
High tiers: 186.29 Teratons
Dividing by 2 for back scaling.
Low tiers: 46.5725 Teratons
Mid tiers: 93.145 Teratons
High tiers: 186.29 Teratons
Dividing by 2 for back scaling.
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Migue gave it the okay. So i'll make the changes now.
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This good for you (I slightly changed it)? This assumes that the power Vilgax gained by absorbing the other 9 warriors is equal to him surviving worse than the High 6-B explosion, both are unquantifiable. Ultimos scales to DH or Four Arms by probably being stronger than Tini (Tetramand from his team). @DemonicDude can you make a page for Ultimos?
Ultimate Aggregor: 745.16 teratons (High 6-B+) in AP and 838.305 teratons (6-A) in durability. If we treat Armodrillo, NRG AP and dura and Water Hazard’s durability as top tiers. Reasoning: Comparable to Trumbipilor; Techadon robot via Kevin statement + unharmed by armored Kevin's punches; Ultimate Aggregor said Bivulvan's armor is invulnerable scaling it above NRG's armor respectively. Ultimate Aggregor = Himself + the 5 aliens he absorbed.
Ultimate Kevin, Humungousaur and Echo Echo also 6-A. Ultimate Cannonbolt AP and dura and Ult. Echo Echo's dura up for disussion.
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Yes but I'm extremely overworked (My Reboot stuff work speaks for it self but when I'll have time later this week I definitely will)
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Ok
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What are these numbers?
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4 mid tiers in AP + 2 top tiers. 3 mid + 3 top for dura. Base Aggregor himself is physically mid.
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I agree with Green.
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This doesn’t answer why these guys are suddenly hitting 6-A with no feats.
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DD scan of Kevin and Gwen fighting Techadon robots as Ben's aliens. Scan of Armodrillo vs Trumbipilor. Scan of Humungousaur vs Aggregor.
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He absorbed all their powers, duh. Ben literally has their DNA in UA.
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I donno throwing my hat with this one wouldn't Ultimate Kevin as 1/10th of Way Big get Class Z ?
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Aggregor used a device to get all their power. Way Big is Kevin business we'll tackle him later.
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Edited Vilgax´s page to make the scaling more clear. Also put at least High 6-B, scaling as currently applied doesn't work otherwise. What do we do with Pre-OS Vilgax? We can scale him to Mole-Stache since his ship took the shockwave of a planet bust before, potentially eliminating the anti-feat. OS Vilgax’s armor should be more durable than his body for no-selling DH's attacks and his amp still needs to be applied.
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@Zamasu_Chan OS Wildvine shouldn't have low 6-B+, just at most Low 6-B and what are you gonna do with Wildmutt, Eye Guy, Viktor and Zombozo ( 1 or 2 keys for the last 2)?
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Stop editing the profiles for God’s sake. We already have areas where the aliens will go. Stop changing your mind every 5 seconds.
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Green seems to make the most sense.
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@Antvasima the changes were made. This thread can be closed.
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I edited one page, being Vilgax's, I miswrote the tier for Wildvine and meant 6-B instead of low 6-B in this thread.
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We still have a lot to do in this thread, check the OP.
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This is why having multiple people do a single task is pretty tedious. There was some other guy who was editing the profiles too. Now I have to go back and fix the mistakes they made, then apply changes from this thread so we won't have too much keys.
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Yeah you’re right. Although you kinda rushed things which resulted in stuff not being organized.
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As usual, please remember to carefully read through and follow the instructions in our Common Editing Mistakes page, so no badly structured edits are made, and extensive cleanup work will not be necessary.
If you change the statistics for any characters, also remember to update the tier categories at the bottoms of the profile pages.
If you change the statistics for any characters, also remember to update the tier categories at the bottoms of the profile pages.
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I still think the following:
Low tiers: At most 46.5725 Teratons
Mid tiers: At most 93.145 Teratons
High tiers: 186.29 Teratons
Is more reliable, considering the gap between OS Vilgax and AF Vilgax is bigger than 2 times due to all the unknown warriors’ powers he absorbed. Zamasu told me that we automatically assume a 2 times gap for backscaling, is this correct @Antvasima ?
Edit: it turns out that the tiering does not have to reflect the "at most" stuff, I'm fine with the tiering as is (as long as low-tiers don't have a "+") as long as the justifications make it very clear who scales to what.
Low tiers: At most 46.5725 Teratons
Mid tiers: At most 93.145 Teratons
High tiers: 186.29 Teratons
Is more reliable, considering the gap between OS Vilgax and AF Vilgax is bigger than 2 times due to all the unknown warriors’ powers he absorbed. Zamasu told me that we automatically assume a 2 times gap for backscaling, is this correct @Antvasima ?
Edit: it turns out that the tiering does not have to reflect the "at most" stuff, I'm fine with the tiering as is (as long as low-tiers don't have a "+") as long as the justifications make it very clear who scales to what.
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Er, I guess you’re referring to me. But I only made a few mistakes (as far as I seen), and even fixed them on my own. I also made sure not to make the same mistakes on the other profiles.
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