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7-C Tiersetter Tourney
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Can you put this at the front of the thread?
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Another thing about Geats; my peers and I were discussing whether to try to unrestrict the boost buckle or not after checking out the full roster. Caveat of that mainly being if Geats stop using the buckle, he'll get a speed disadvantage from the speed equal stuff.
The 9x boost is only applicable if he doesn't start out with it, since using Boost Buckle to transform into a Boost Form brings a 3x passive stat amp. If Geats start out as MonsterBoost form, the 3x amp would already be applied to him, equalizing with the hypersonic speed rather than the supersonic one. This should mean that if Geats doesn't use Boost, he'll be having a 3x speed disadvantage. Starting out in MonsterBoost form would net him 7-C AP/Dura (14.01KT)
The other 3x Boost Time active stat amp is unavoidable, bringing him to 42.03 KT. The big caveat of using Boost Buckle fully is that after performing a finisher (which Geats usually does after using Boost Time) in any Boost form, the Boost Buckle will fly away from his person and be unusable for the remainder of the match.
Even with this, Kokken Sabi would still have a wincon in that her attacks out-range him and the sheer area and magnitude of the air slashs would bring him quite the trouble even with his skill and experience. And with the change to speed equal, should Geats decide not to use the Boost Buckle (or even the Monster Buckle for that matter), he'll have a stat disadvantage (especially 3x speed disadvantage) ranging from manageable to getting killed by just breathing in his direction. Though if you don't accept unrestricting the Boost Buckle, I will concede and continue with the Current Geats.
The 9x boost is only applicable if he doesn't start out with it, since using Boost Buckle to transform into a Boost Form brings a 3x passive stat amp. If Geats start out as MonsterBoost form, the 3x amp would already be applied to him, equalizing with the hypersonic speed rather than the supersonic one. This should mean that if Geats doesn't use Boost, he'll be having a 3x speed disadvantage. Starting out in MonsterBoost form would net him 7-C AP/Dura (14.01KT)
The other 3x Boost Time active stat amp is unavoidable, bringing him to 42.03 KT. The big caveat of using Boost Buckle fully is that after performing a finisher (which Geats usually does after using Boost Time) in any Boost form, the Boost Buckle will fly away from his person and be unusable for the remainder of the match.
Even with this, Kokken Sabi would still have a wincon in that her attacks out-range him and the sheer area and magnitude of the air slashs would bring him quite the trouble even with his skill and experience. And with the change to speed equal, should Geats decide not to use the Boost Buckle (or even the Monster Buckle for that matter), he'll have a stat disadvantage (especially 3x speed disadvantage) ranging from manageable to getting killed by just breathing in his direction. Though if you don't accept unrestricting the Boost Buckle, I will concede and continue with the Current Geats.
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Second match is up, Banjo & Kazooie vs Ali.
It seems like her durability negation only really works against demons, is that true?
How combat applicable is her sealing?
Done.
I'm looking into Frieren as a backup.
It seems like her durability negation only really works against demons, is that true?
How combat applicable is her sealing?
That stat advantage seems way too big, he'd be untouchable. Plus, I'm pretty sure that speed equal doesn't work that way, you wouldn't be equalised to a lower speed just because there's an amp you could use later, he'd be able to blitz.
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I meant to say that any Boost form is going to be hypersonic, and with Geats starting off in MonsterBoost form, nullifying the passive amp that Boost gives. When he isn't in his boost forms, he'll have a speed disadvantage due to the match using Boost form's speed than his Base Rider speed. Just clarifying that.
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Why would it do that?
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Geat's gimmick is that the riders from his series can use two raise buckles like a mix and match armor change. Like his default rider form is Magnum Boost, having a Magnum upper body and Boost lower body. I currently have Geats start with Monster Form, which mean he only has a Monster upper or lower armor.
On Geat's profile it says
"Hypersonic with Boost", meaning that if when he uses Boost (like Magnum Boost, Boost Monster), he will have this speed. Not using Boost would revert his speed back to "Supersonic+ as Kamen Rider Geats"
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To be ultra-clear, I am not talking about profile stuff, really, I'm talking about our speed equal rules.
You would not have a character equalised to a speed which they only reach by activating an amp during the fight.
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Ohhh I see I see.
Yea disregard what I've said and keep Geats as he currently is.
Yea disregard what I've said and keep Geats as he currently is.
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That doesn't seem right to me, but it's what the profile says so yk. I assume it's talking about the fact that the standard attack magic everyone uses now was originally a super-advanced magic to bypass magic defense. Basically in the past, there was attack magic and defense magic to guard against it (attack magic is blocked absolutely by defense magic). Then, modern attack magic was invented, which broke through defense magic. Then even later, more advanced defense magic was created that absolutely blocks even the new attack magic. I could be misunderstanding the wiki/the show though ofc.
The show is vague about this. It seems like it took some time/effort to do the seal, but it was still done during combat. She just needed her team to distract Qual for a bit
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Match 1 has concluded. Since there's a Geats CRT that's almost concluded, I'll put off his match until it's done. If it's not done by the time the other 7 matches are, I'll disqualify him.
So, instead of that, we'll run Ikit Claw vs Buffy Summers.
Still, I think she might be kind of a bad option. If she can negate durability or quickly seal, and reliably hit comparable-speed opponents from range, then she'd take out Kokken before Kokken can close the gap. If she can't, then her 4.4e12 Joules rating already has her being borderline one-shot by Kokken, so she'd probably get smoked by other opponents.
I could still go to Frieren if you can tell me something compelling, but otherwise, I'll look into Meruem tomorrow.
So, instead of that, we'll run Ikit Claw vs Buffy Summers.
Hmm okay, so just bypassing magic defense doesn't sound too bad. Although it does mention working on equipment too, idk how we'd treat it interacting with ordinary high durability.
Yeah so not like thought-based insta-win.
Still, I think she might be kind of a bad option. If she can negate durability or quickly seal, and reliably hit comparable-speed opponents from range, then she'd take out Kokken before Kokken can close the gap. If she can't, then her 4.4e12 Joules rating already has her being borderline one-shot by Kokken, so she'd probably get smoked by other opponents.
I could still go to Frieren if you can tell me something compelling, but otherwise, I'll look into Meruem tomorrow.
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I gotta give you props, I really like how this pick is basically the only one that exploits the tiersetter's AoE to cause issues for submissions which lack that. A weak army with durability-negating weapons is a sweet way to get that through.Rats, rats, we are rats.
Ikit Claw
Ikit Claw is one of the most powerful sorcerers in the Old World, and he has dedicated his long life to the study of all forms of magic and science, including the spells and technology of Men, Elves, and Dwarfs. Over the decades before the second Skaven civil war, Ikit Claw travelled secretly to...vsbattles.fandom.com
Give him an hour of prep and speed Equal and he'll do relatively well, leave him with just like... his own person and he might as well not be here. He can get one-shot but one-shots in turn basically
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Most of the army is either Skavenslaves, Clan Rats, or Stormvermin, all tier 9 chaff to burn through, which don't have dura neg weapons lol
Keep in mind I'm only considering rats that Clan Skryre would have access to on it's own, Ikit would still be in if we said he could call upon other Skaven Clans, but I don't think walking in with rats stealthy enough to assassinate a good 70% of the wiki and High 6-C giant monsters is appreciated.
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New match up, Smaug vs Streaky the Supercat.
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You know I just realized someone who relies on mind manipulation for her anything is in.
huh.
Well might as well not make the match if she makes it to the finals, cause Minds are Aethyr, so she is just a 10-B body going against all those rats.(Even if she gets bodied due to sheer numbers anyway)
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I like how you just decided that your pick will be in the finals lol
But yeah, she wouldn't do great against my non-sentient chunk of metal either.
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I'm just sitting here praying Ikit loses to someone else (even if Cherish's powers did work she'd just get sniped from outside her range)
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I mean Ali is getting fed to Lord Recluse if he wins and Lord Recluse would face-tank Warpstone bullets to prove a point and get killed for doing so, Ikit kind of has a clear dog-walk to the finish line
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fyi I'm thinking of scrambling things each round, rather than continuing with a direct "winner of match 1 against winner of match 2" thing.
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My guy, Lord Recluse's P&A looks wack as heck! Just what does he actually start with?
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Oh I don't know maybe toxic energy-infused attacks like is all but stated in the PnA?
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So his toxic energy attacks have that many status effects layered in each shot?
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It's energy and toxic. I don't have a way to say this nicely: read the sodding page.
"Energy Projection/Poison Manipulation (Lord Recluse has a knack for using energy to attack from his hands or appendenges.[3][5] This deals minor Toxic Damage[3]),"
Do you need a comprehensive list on how to do his boss fight too? what primary and secondary powers you should go with to make his fight "easy"?
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I don't get you. What do you mean make his fight easy? That has nothing to do with how the way he starts off...well unless that is in character for him then I guess you do have a point.
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| I | don't | know | Why |
| Don't | you | Tell | me |
| With | information | you | Have? |
Alternatively, scroll down on his profile, and you'll see this magical unused thing called the "Notable Attacks & Techniques" section...
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It's irrelevant. How can one determine which one he is most likely to use when there's more than ten of them?
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Do you even like... read the kind of verse you're dealing with? Outside of having comics of which Lord Recluse does anything but talk in two and had different combat moves done in both, what is City of Heroes?
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Oof... That makes sense.
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MMO, that's right. Now you understand why it's a waste of time trying to say Lord Recluse has any set starting move! he beats your ass with his full kit and goes straight for the kill, that's it!
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Yep. I only got the memo when you went straight to the point with the last one.
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With match 5 drawing to a close, I've chucked up Match 6; Trishula Anchor vs Randall Flagg.
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Kamen Rider Blade should be disqualified from the backup submissions due to his CRT being active and is likely to bring substantial change to every rider in his native series. I'll also be bringing up some back-backup submissions too in case Geats is let go too.
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Meruem just one-shots and takes no damage from Kokken. So with Frieren also not working as a submission for reasons I discussed earlier, and with Blade being retracted, that leaves us out of backups.
Whoever's reading this! Submit backups if you know of any! They're not just for yourself, your characters can get in if someone else's get disqualified!
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Fi o Fi I really wish Mengsk's profile wasn't complete dogshit lol
Discounting the fact every single stat on that page besides the human level speed is changing majorly, Mengsk with any prep has 2 things: Battlecruisers and enough nukes to make Russia jealous. So a 7-C thing and a tier 6 thing. The former of which he can just have 41 land on a location.
And discounting this, right now every heavy walker-tier is tier 6 as well as Siege Tanks and whatnot, which basically means that you're fighting an artillery battle and the other guy has tier 6 weapons and a guaranteed aerial superiority!
And discounting this, right now every heavy walker-tier is tier 6 as well as Siege Tanks and whatnot, which basically means that you're fighting an artillery battle and the other guy has tier 6 weapons and a guaranteed aerial superiority!
so my submission is...!
Deathmaster Snikch
Snikch is the Deathmaster, Chief Assassin and prime agent of Sneek, a Lord of Decay and the ruling Nightlord of the Skaven's Clan Eshin. His infamy is only exceeded by the mystery which surrounds his whereabouts at any particular time. Sneek ensures that this is the case -- as long as no one...
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So uh... Two options for the tiersetter: She snipes him immediately from SBA distance, or she doesn't. Because if not...
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Might as well submit Taco as a backup. She has the potential to lose to Kokken via getting outranged.
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so my submission is...!
Oh. Oh no.Deathmaster Snikch
Snikch is the Deathmaster, Chief Assassin and prime agent of Sneek, a Lord of Decay and the ruling Nightlord of the Skaven's Clan Eshin. His infamy is only exceeded by the mystery which surrounds his whereabouts at any particular time. Sneek ensures that this is the case -- as long as no one...
So uh... Two options for the tiersetter: She snipes him immediately from SBA distance, or she doesn't. Because if not...
She's about ~1,250x stronger, so she could drop a ~166x human AoE attack and still one-shot him. So I think there's a good shot she can tornado him before he closes the gap.
Speed equal makes this fight kinda ridiculous, since it'd technically nerf his movement speed to, like, 3 m/s, taking him ~5 minutes to get within range.
I'll chuck him on, but since you've already got two fellas in (and one from that same verse), I probably won't use him unless one of your own picks gets DQ'd.
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Here are my non-Rider replacements in case Geats gets the boot. Choosing just one (or more) is fine, just listing them out.
The Sculpter (Demon Of Hatred) (loses to Kokken via range)
Zuko (same deal)
Celica (again with the range game, but also with the added caveat that she loses health as the cost for her magic attacks)
The Sculpter (Demon Of Hatred) (loses to Kokken via range)
Zuko (same deal)
Celica (again with the range game, but also with the added caveat that she loses health as the cost for her magic attacks)
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How about Player (Elemental Battlegrounds) as a backup? He does have a calc that is 7-C on the Low-End so just let me know something.
