The statement doesn't disprove my argument? if i'm arguing that people 250 years ago perceived and thought about, say Tokyo. Causing Adolla during that exact same point in time to retain what Tokyo, and our world looked like, then Shinra traveling back in time to that specific point of time in Adolla wouldn't be an innate contradiction. Shinra saying "this is Tokyo from 250 years ago" doesn't disprove either claims, in fact, it proves both claims simultaneously, meaning it's neutral evidence, and doesn't point to either claim being more likely true or false.
He doesn't need to say such when the statement provided can be logically interpret as such.
Post the statements.
I've brought up multiple arguments, which multiple people agree with, don't devalue my arguments like that Pain.
Wouldn’t Adolla representing the collective unconscious mean that it would have the same past simply by humanity perceiving the events of the past that way?
Sorry i lumped both of you together, but since you are practically saying the same thing, permit me
you claims is that the world they traveled to was the world that the humans of then perceived, Which is where you are wrong, the
people of the past, specifically
perceived the past to have a manga style type of world, so practically he should be seeing manga art style and not the
real life look like styles.
you guys do realize that the reason why the earth style of the world changed was because the people think the world is manga-like. And
this is for the
direct statements that deceived asked for.
It does not say the past of adolla, it says the past of earth, the past of the world befpre the great cataclysm. Nothing gets more direct than that.
the Adolla world is explicitly said to be disconnected from the real world
Please send the scan of this
However, you seem to fail to see that I have addressed them being spatio-temporally disconnected as outlined that they are inaccessible to each other spatially and that that Adolla has it's own time flow.
two different dimensions are supposed to have a veil separating them or you kbnow they will not be two different dimensiions but instead a single one, since if there is nothing separating them then the worlds will just be one, and time flow point althoug irrelevant since we have this already
Note that time flowing at different rates (faster or slower) in different places is not enough proof that they are separate universes or space-time continuums, for even in a single universe or pocket dimension, we can have different flows of time.
You know timeflow cannot be used as proof of different universe.
but i also provided examples up above of adolla time not flowing faster then earth time like you guys claim, you know, Shinra, Shot, BUrns, Joker, Inca, the first pillar, Haumea e.t.c.
they were all shown to spend time in adolla and time did not pass.
That aside do you get that a veil is necessary for their to be two different time space else the space flow into each other, and secondly the time flow is not important even if it is true.
Yeah as far as I know about archetypes and collective unconscious psychic realm, this world is a world of perception and adolla world is simply concepts of all things. Like beauty is a concept and we all percieve it differently (our standards for beauty is different) but they'll are still falls under concept of beauty.
Tbh, that guy travelling back to earth through adolla world seems like anti feat to me because the way adolla world works, it shouldn't be possible.
Actually the way the adolla works, it should not be a granted a universal tier as it currently is. but to answer you, adolla is shown to physically exist and you can enter it with your physical forms also, so it is not an anti-feat, since it is not a world that you enter with your consciousness alone, but can also enter physically.
My dude
read the scan it literally says Shinra traveled 250 years in the past what. “Shinra kicks into the past.”
He even went on a whole spiel in chapter 121 about how he only needed 1 second to see into the past and beat him
to see into the past?
lies
. You understand the way Shinra sees people’s memories is by traveling into the past right?
no it was a one time thing where it was explicitly said here, you claim he was traveling to the past, but the author said "
These images coming into my mind are tempe memories" so your claim that he traveled into the past, still does not work here since that is wrong to begin with.
and even if he did travel into the past that would still support my claim although that is wrong and I just needed to clarify that
I honestly have no idea what your contention with this is.
The fact that you claimed that shinra kicked tempe into the past and the author said what shinra was seeing is tempe's memories.
Because it’s showing the straight history of that man was distorted since to him reality is the same even though he existed pre and post cataclysm.
We were never told that "to him the reality is the same tho" nothing like that was mentioned. And besided the reality is no longer the same.
The same goes for literally everyone who survived the first cataclysm. Not a single soul mentions how reality was altered because to them it’s still the same as it was from the past. Even though we know that’s not true.
Yeah…in the world of Adolla. That doesn’t mean the pre-cataclysm past is shared in the same space-time in Adolla as it is in the real world.
the fact that they have the same past, means it is spatio-temprally connected
Yeah the moon that you are referring to wouldn’t be in the reflection in the water what. It wouldn’t “exist” in the reflection yes that is correct. When you say “this is thought given form while it exists at the same time it does not.” That literally means the very thoughts exists and doesn’t at the same time. You know because it’s imagination itself.
It even straight up
absorbs the thoughts of people too. So yeah it very much is on those boarders between existing and non existing.
no it does not border on that, you can create a thread to make adolla non-existent later on tho and lets see how it goes. i really do not see how absorbing thoughts which will be NPI, granting non existence
No it says “it does not exist while at the same time it does.” By definition that’s non-existent physiology even by our own standards.
“While we can see it exists right here, at the same time it does not.”
That says the Adolla they’re looking at doesn’t exist and at the same time does. Stop trying to skew the words around.
yes and it means the adolla you are seeing
here is not the real one
Are you arguing with a ghost right now what are talking about? Adolla by definition is the world of imagination. You don’t like that
argue with the manga not me.
The world pre-cataclysm was not something “imagined” into by Adolla. It was just the actual way the world was before. If anything the world
post cataclysm was the world that was directly imagined by humanity because Adolla changes things based on human perception. So reality being changed from 3D to 2D was because that’s what humans envisioned the world to be and thus that’s how the world was altered.
The world they saw was the world pre-cataclysm which is when reality wasn’t altered by Adolla’s imagination. That reality that Adolla carries the very history of. Not “just Tokyo” but
humanities whole history of despair.
You actually just….talked about something completely irrelevant to the point I made what.
maybe you should check the person I am replying to first, that was to deceived and not you.
No I’m claiming that Adolla is a separate space-time from the real world. Them sharing the same past doesn’t dispute that notion because Adolla embodies the very past itself, not because it’s sharing the same space-time as the two worlds are completely disconnected from one another.
again the scan that they are disconnected
The fact that the infernal preacher or the other talking animals have no recollection of reality before the alteration shows a fundamental shift in the time for all the people and animals in reality. Even Sumire was shown reminiscing about the pre-cataclysm past when in Adolla first and foremost.
hmmn ever heard of retro-continuity? they have a 100 chapters in-between and again irrelevant to my point.
You did not “prove” it wrong since you did not address my argument lmao. Please next time address my argument before simply claiming someone is wrong.
neither did you address or even understand my argument
Shinra experienced different time flow while he was in Adolla. He even straight up says he lost time. That proves different time flows between Adolla and the real world. You don’t like that you can argue with the manga not me.
im saying months have passed and I dont remember anything again does not mean different timeflow, he was literally possessed. that aside, this is really irrelevant to my claims
The talking infernal literally has no distinction between the world pre-cataclysm and post-cataclysm.
uhhhm this is another lie, he never said anything about the reality of pre-cataclysm world in fact we were not shown, again retro-continuity, chapter 121 to 216
The fact that he doesn’t supports the notion that the very past of humanity was altered. My claim is that Adolla is a separate space-time from the real world. It does not “share” a space-time with the real world. It simply “has” the time and history of humanity in its own world as it embodies its very concept.
you mean a man that says everyone is dead and my properties are gone and just that, we can get from that he does not support that the past of humanity was altered?? oh boy
Adolla sharing the same past doesn’t equate to sharing the same space-time though as people have already pointed out.
FAQ
Having the same past=/= sharing the same space-time especially when Adolla straight up embodies the very history of mankind itself. In fact Adolla being conceptual history in nature is a fundamental distinction from regular 4D time.
No offense and what would you know about 4D time? this is the first i am hearing of time that can only ever be 1D being 4D.
also all these is true and really I am not contending it, but that does not still disprove my point
You’re trying to say Adolla carrying the very concept and idea of the time of humanity pre-cataclysm is the same as just regular time-flow in the universe when there’s literally a conceptual distinction between them.
NO, I AM SAYING SHINRA SAID "This is the world of the past" after traveling into the past, sumire then stamped it statement.
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