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wait, that I remember before the trip, there is like a"portal''Shinra also didn’t “disintegrate” when he viewed the past in Adolla. That only happens in the real world but Adolla is a world of perception.
When he viewed the pre-cataclysm past inside Adolla, only his mind was gone as that was what was linked to Adolla in the first place. His body remained in the real world and was straight up taken over by his doppelgänger from Adolla.
So idk what this “disintegration” is in regards to Shinra viewing the past from Adolla.
Unfortunately, no, once a thread has been made, 2 days bare minimum must be given for all the relevant staff to see. Don't worry. Won't have to wait 2 days more after overwhelming approval or rejection. If there is enough overwhelming rejection/approval within 2 days, the thread can be closed after (And applied if accepted, or rejected if there are more disagreements than agreements).Surely this can just be closed at this point?
Yeah I think all the points were made clear by now and not a single person has agreed with OP’s proposal. Right now we just wait on their response and after grace period is over see if this thread can be closed if nothing much has changed.Lets not derail too much
And why will that be?Surely this can just be closed at this point?
And again this is a single timeline, they share the same future and past.Not really.
DT clearly said in this revision and even in the other I linked in that thread that worlds can be spatiotemporaly separated even tho if they linked at some point in time and space. For examole, DT said MWI is tier 2B despite saying that branched timelines are linked at some point or in the past, they just have to be seprated in future. Also, rather than structure, how those timelines are being nuked matter most.
I mean you were part of the thread, anyway unless they are separate for infinite time, they are still a single structure which would defeat the entire tier 2 again.Second, is the case of timelines that at certain points are connected. Contrary to the case where one can always travel from one universe to the other via three-dimensional movement, it is only possible in those at certain times. In fact, at certain points in time they might be the same universe. E.g. if a timeline branches into two, then the timelines were the same universe before the branch split happened. Other way around, if two timelines get merged into one, then they are the same universe only after they were fused.
In those cases, the destruction of any one timeline is only counted if it was not connected to any other timeline for an infinite amount of time. Other way around, if there are several timelines none of which were separate for an infinite amount of time, they would all be counted as just one timeline for the purpose of Tiering their destruction or creation
Again none of this address the fact that they are spatial-temporally separate.1) Adolla a separate world is completely disconnected from the real world. Totally and completely, it’s verbatim stated it’s another plane entirely. Hence why the merging of the two worlds causes space to tear between them in the first place. And hence why it’s referred to as a higher plane in the first place.
Sorry to break it to you but having your own timeflow does not mean that you are a separate space time2) The past of mankind pre-cataclysm is different than the present mankind post cataclysm. This is because Adolla doesn’t just carry and embody “despair” in of itself, but the very despair of the history of mankind as well. The despair carries history in of itself as Adolla embodies all concepts and perception within it. That’s why Shinra had to go into Adolla to see the past pre-cataclysm in the first place. He even experienced different time flows as 3 months had passed while his mind was in Adolla and a doppelgänger from Adolla had taken over his body. This very image and history of mankind’s past despair is merging with the present world.
In short, Adolla is a higher plane completely spatially disconnected from the real world that experiences it’s own time flow with its own history of the concepts of mankind pre-cataclysm
But that aside even though the timeflow point does not flowNote: Time flowing differently (faster or slower) in different universes is not enough proof that they are separate space-time continuums, for even in a single universe, we can have different flow of time.
If shinra can travel to the earth past by going back in time inside the adolla world, that means they are spatial-temporally connected,. It’s even noted that the concepts of the people of the past mixes with the present world, signifying a clear distinction between them. An Adolla’s merging of the past’s history of despair and the present world causes the cataclysm to occur.
Appeal to authority and you call call Ultima here or DT, since I think they are the most knowledgeable on tier 2Anyways since knowledgeable staff members such as Planck and Maverick and Ultima and Clover and even I believe Mitch as well were the ones who proposed and agreed upon 2-C scaling, I differ to their opinions on the matter as this thread was made literally 2 days after the other one was accepted.
You talk too much, this is derailing and bold of you to talk about dishonest.pain, this is already too exaggerated, I mean I understand that you might not like that fire force is high (only two characters) but seriously, why be dishonest to try to downgrade the verse? It's almost the same as the fire force arguments being only planet level, except that those were from people who didn't read the manga very well, you are directly downgrading something for the sake of downgrading.
now makes sense why damage say that vsbw ignore context,because is real,this includes you
And ended up on earth so I am sure it means they are connected.Infact, you just showed that there is a past within Adolla. Shinra went back in time within Adolla.
Time flowing differently means jack, check above.But for some reason you left out the fact that time moved differently outside of it. Three good months had passed in the real world while only moments had passed in Adolla where Shinra was in
It never came up. Why did you not address this fact in the last thread?
What happens when shinra disintegrates?This is just straight up wrong.
Shinra was only reminiscing the fact that he had been doing the impossible through the series such as literally turning to particle.
Nowhere does it say that Shinra had to go to the past to enter Adolla.
If the past within adolla is the same as earth past, it means they are connected.bring prove that says when shinra travels back in time, he does not end up on earth 250 years ago, but rather another earth entirely that is not the earth we know.
Regardless of how this thread goes, I'll say this generally; Answer you don't like =/= Arguments not addressed.And why will that be?
Also no one here has really addressed the OP just like I expected.
You need to say why you say the are not disconnected even though they obviously are
This is very ironic.Appeal to authority and you call call Ultima here or DT, since I think they are the most knowledgeable on tier 2
It's as simple as the fact that based on what Maitreya and the others posted, as well as Executor's clarifying, I see more to believe they are separate than otherwise. You asserting otherwise doesn't make things automatically true.So @Planck69 I will say you should please read my arguments and say why they are wrong, and stop trying to dismiss me, tell me why two spaces that clearly share the same space and time can be spatiotemporal separate give examples, it's very simple.
That said you can tag DT, everything and kingpin here. Or any staff can help with that @KLOL506 or @Dalesean027
I will message their wall also.
Bro thought we was finna agree
Let him cook the egusi soup fit sweetBro thought we was finna agree
Calling smeone who said I am dishonest also dishonest is not name callingAlso Pain, stop with the namecalling and throwing of insults and calling people dishonest. Either calmly address the arguments or chill out and then come back when you feel fully ready to tackle them.
It is actually notRegardless of how this thread goes, I'll say this generally; Answer you don't like =/= Arguments not addressed.
It's not, I said call them not otherwiseThis is very ironic.
Executor post does not address my arguments and I don't even know the context, you can call them here tho cause sharing the same time axis would mean not sharing the same time, and he would be right, but if he meant sharing the same time then I will have to disagree with the post.It's as simple as the fact that based on what Maitreya and the others posted, as well as Executor's clarifying, I see more to believe they are separate than otherwise. You asserting otherwise doesn't make things automatically true.
Everything12 should not mind or theglassman@KingPin0422 If you wish to participate here, I welcome you.
Not tagging Ultima and DT as they apparently don't want to be bothered here. If you know any other staff then you can tell me or message them.
Is this the feat that has been upgraded to tier 2??????
And why should I do that?ngl pain, you could have waited till Maitreya finished making the cosmology blog
Is this the feat that has been upgraded to tier 2??????
The adolla world is collective unconscious of physical world, forget about being spatiotemporaly seprated as that would be least it can be. The adolla world is non physical plane which takes shape into physical reality of this world. That was the reason seems to be that why very physics of the universe was altered.This thread is just to prove that adolla and the real world are not spatio-temporally separate at all.
Him going unconscious was what merged him through adolla world, that's why it's a world of unconscious.Shinra took an attack for Juggernaught which knocked him out and
Both are obviously connected through unconscious physic of the being. That is unchangeable but that doesn't disprove that they're separate.So shinra time travelled when in the Adolla plane and ended up on earth from 250 years ago, which would not be possible if adolla and earth are in or different spacetimes, since you can obviously travel through their time and both is connected.
I had unwatched the thread and came back a while after the comments were made.Calling smeone who said I am dishonest also dishonest is not name calling
You should tell them.to stop or rather I did not see you telling them to stop with the name calling, the mock or the insults so far since the OP
Time flowing differently means jack, check above.
It never came up
What happens when shinra disintegrates?
yes correctThe adolla world is collective unconscious of physical world, forget about being spatiotemporaly seprated as that would be least it can be. The adolla world is non physical plane which takes shape into physical reality of this world. That was the reason seems to be that why very physics of the universe was altered.
yes, but it is a world you can go to physically, so let me say it also physically existsHim going unconscious was what merged him through adolla world, that's why it's a world of unconscious.
The entire psychic thing was never my point, my point was the time are connected since you know you can time travel and end up in one or the otherBoth are obviously connected through unconscious physic of the being. That is unchangeable but that doesn't disprove that they're separate.
its fine, I am sorry for accusing you thenI had unwatched the thread and came back a while after the comments were made.
sighyknow you don’t have to tag me if you’re going to give me stupid replies like these.
Neither did you address anything I sent you knowYou clearly haven’t addressed anything I sent, especially that last point where you asked me a completely unrelated question.
Thank you
it is not really rude if i never agreed to it or went back on my word. what will be rude is everyone agreeing to fix the FF pages and create pages for new characters who do not have pages before making any upgrade thread and someone making that thread. but what do I knowyou should wait for maitreya to make one because they said would make one soon. Its kinda rude to make this ahead of time
what everYou talk too much, this is derailing and bold of you to talk about dishonest.
You're gonna have to do better than that, soldier.Disagree
There's no need to answer. The previous crt uses completely refuting arguments.You're gonna have to do better than that, soldier.
I will reply when I have free time (you can count as neutral for now if answering is mandatory)
Consider me neutral for now. You can put it in the disagree section when I give my answer.Eh you can just say "disagree FRA"
Anyway the arguments are still going on i guess, so you can wait also
A bureaucrat disagreed with the thread, lock it up janitors.OMG even Deceived thinks this is whack
You agreed it's a non-physical plane.yes correct
But you also leaped into assumptional bounds of "I can enter this non-physical realm thus it must be actually physical a physical realm" type logic.yes, but it is a world you can go to physically, so let me say it also physically exists
Already addressed in the thread 2 days ago. The last Great Cataclysm resulted in the universal constant pi becoming solvable. If it wasn’t affecting the whole universe, that wouldn’t have happened.I think it would have been easier to argue their not affecting the whole universe. Only some stars were affected by the cataclysm. While others were not.
That's only a different time axis not a separate space-time or timeline.1) Adolla a separate world is completely disconnected from the real world. Totally and completely, it’s verbatim stated it’s another plane entirely. Hence why the merging of the two worlds causes space to tear between them in the first place. And hence why it’s referred to as a higher plane in the first place.
2) The past of mankind pre-cataclysm is different than the present mankind post cataclysm. This is because Adolla doesn’t just carry and embody “despair” in of itself, but the very despair of the history of mankind as well. The despair carries history in of itself as Adolla embodies all concepts and perception within it. That’s why Shinra had to go into Adolla to see the past pre-cataclysm in the first place. He even experienced different time flows as 3 months had passed while his mind was in Adolla and a doppelgänger from Adolla had taken over his body. This very image and history of mankind’s past despair is merging with the present world.
Time axis of the past and time axis of the present isn't as different timelines. Also according to the rules you have to prove the size of these realms are universal. This seems to be limited the earth's past.In short, Adolla is a higher plane completely spatially disconnected from the real world that experiences it’s own time flow with its own history of the concepts of mankind pre-cataclysm. It’s even noted that the concepts of the people of the past mixes with the present world, signifying a clear distinction between them. An Adolla’s merging of the past’s history of despair and the present world causes the cataclysm to occur.
Anyways since knowledgeable staff members such as Planck and Maverick and Ultima and Clover and even I believe Mitch as well were the ones who proposed and agreed upon 2-C scaling, I differ to their opinions on the matter as this thread was made literally 2 days after the other one was accepted.
Neither did you address anything I sent you know
where shinra and sho while on earth and wanted to travel into the adolla, he had to disintegrate to do so, i.e. he had to travel into the past to do so.
This is just straight up wrong.
Shinra was only reminiscing the fact that he had been doing the impossible through the series such as literally turning to particle.
Nowhere does it say that Shinra had to go to the past to enter Adolla.