Simon revisions (And I guess we also bring up High 1-C. Twice.)

[The_real_cal_howard]

Tanking an attack isn't the same as having resistance to it.

 

[Elizhaa]

Tanking an attack isn't the same as having resistance to it.

It is still based on a case by case basis. By all account, this amount of electricity's voltage, based on size alone, is likely higher than a billion. So, it would resistance

 

[Elizhaa]

Proposal. Resistance to

• Radiation Manipulation - (Can survive in outer space)
• Electricity Manipulation - (electric shock from the Ku and kyo-Mugann, part of its separation attack.
• Time Manipulation- (resisted The Anti-Spiral's who can attack from the past and future
  • Since it looks like a Time Travel battle took place with just movement, it would be Immeasurable Speed, instead
• Gravity Manipulation or as described as Spatial Manipulation by the shown - (Resisted the strengthening Death Spiral's field while constantly being the depowers by it and likewise there was pushing by other Gunmens)
  • I think the depowers parts is not addressed, to be honest
• Mind Manipulation (Via the Extradimensional Labyrinth)
• Size Manipulation (Can size-shift to be larger or smaller in specific situations)
  • It was ability, sorry for the confusion

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

What does resisting the death spiral count as then?

 

[Elizhaa]

To be honest, it was described as Spatial Manipulation than having Gravity Manipulation.

 

[Crzer07]

It's "Gunmen" not Gundam

 

[Elizhaa]

Thanks

 

[DMUA]

Depowering is Powernull

Which they self evidently never resisted considering they you know

Got effected by it

And they generally don't resist considering they almost died to it's effects

Resisting a time traveling attack is not the same as resisting time being stopped

Never resisted actually resisted Size Manipulation

Otherwise, I guess it's fine.

 

[Elizhaa]

• Key
  • Meant change also; I elaborated on them

 

[Elizhaa]

Resistance doesn't mean immunities, so it is resistance

 

[Elizhaa]

Resisting a time traveling attack with a Time Travel battle with just movement is proved of Immeasurable speed

 

[Elizhaa]

Resisting a time traveling attack is not the same as resisting time being stopped

• Still, not addressing he was weakened and push down

 

[Elizhaa]

Depowering is Powernull

Which they self evidently never resisted considering they you know

• I like the character and would like to give him the ability but I need evidence

 

[DMUA]

Not sure not instantly dying qualifies for resistance without other things instantly dying for reference

Time Travel is Time Travel, not Immeasurable speed, and attacking through time does not actually manipulate time for whatever the attack is hitting

 

[Elizhaa]

Time Travel, by simple movement alone though time like The Anti-Spiral is Immeasurable Speed.


Note 5: Characters that are able to move backwards and forwards through time by movement alone qualify for immeasurable speed. However, due to general inconsistencies, and the fact that several fictions grant this ability to any character able to move FTL, they may be assigned an additional, independent, speed rating for the ability. This should preferably be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. The difference between infinite and immeasurable is that the former can go everywhere instantly, whereas the latter can go everywhere and everywhen.

 

[DMUA]

It's not via moving, it's a specific ability that was shown earlier in the show.

.... Speaking of which we should probably get rid of Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann's Immeasurable reactions, they didn't react, they just fired everywhen.

 

[Wokistan]

With immeasurable speed if they couldn't react on that level firing everywhere would do absolutely nothing, due to the whole "sidestepping time" thing.

 

[DMUA]

I mean, if there's nowhen to go I'm not sure Immeasurable speeds save you. Temporal Danmaku and such.

 

[Wokistan]

They still would. Without combat speed on that level the projectiles wouldn't be moving at all. You'd have forever to leave and could just wall around things.

 

[DMUA]

I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at

The projectiles were moving all throughout time and exploding

 

[Wokistan]

Then they'd stay immeasurable. Without reaction speeds on that level, they'd never get a chance to try to fire in the first place.

 

[DMUA]

But those things were time travelling via an ability, not moving so fast they just pierced through time. They weren't actually moving at immeasurable speed.

 

[Wokistan]

To respond to a time traveler like that you'd still sorta need that. Ability or not, they're still moving through time.

 

[DMUA]

Eh maybe in that case

Either way, we should probably link this to Viral's page

 

[DMUA]

Also I must note, Class 1 for Viral and Kamina comes from out of nowhere.

 

[DMUA]

bump

 

[Andytrenom]

So...why doesn't Simon have probability manipulation in the sandbox?

 

[DMUA]

It's already apart of the abilites of all his Gunmen, which he possesses for himself.

 

[DMUA]

Actually ugh

Super Galaxy Gurren Lagan should only be 3-B

Ninafoe is only Multi Galaxy level, the whole bit with "more energy then the observable Universe" doesn't quite equate to "enough energy to nuke the entire universe completely"

It's actually consistent with the statement of being a Sub Universe, hint, Sub, secondary, kinda not the real deal.

Also, where does Empathetic Manipulation even come from? I guess he removed the mindhax from all the Bois of Dai-Gurren, but that's not empathetic manipulation, that's limited Power Nullification if anything.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

Feels less like Null and more like Resistance that can be spread to others.

So, I guess Resistance and Power Bestowal?

 

[DMUA]

Yeah, bestowing Resistance seems more accurate.

 

[Kaltias]

I know the High 1-C thing kinda died but:

"Additionally, in regard to the dimensional thing, I have received better scans from here:"


Those are all the scans I found in the previous upgrade thread. That's M-theory.

Like, the only thing that could be High 1-C here is having a "different set of dimensional axes", and Genome starts talking about membranes afterwards.

Also, the 10th and 11th dimensions are called universes.

 

[Andytrenom]

The "Universe with a different set of dimensional axes" makes it pretty clear they are talking about spatial dimensions here.

 

[Kaltias]

Maybe. But no statement saying 10-11D is talking about higher dimensions

 

[RKGenki]

It kind of mixes stuff up

First it mentions a different set of dimensional axes, then it bluntly refers to the 10th and 11th dimensions as places and hiding in a space located between 2 dimensional axes doesn't make that much sense unless they mean they are on the plane formed between them which is a big duh if they're supposed to be of that dimensionality

 

[Kaltias]

Pretty much.

The only thing that I can tell you about that universe is that its number of dimensions is > 4 from the scans.

But all the 10-11D statements are referring to dimensions that aren't geometrical

 

[Kaltias]

Personally i'd rate that as "at least High 2-A, possibly higher".

It has a different set of dimensional axes, so 5 to unknown.

 

[RKGenki]

Agreed

 

[Elizhaa]

10-11D statements are referring to dimensions could be dimensional axes so the ratings could still be accurate

 

[Kaltias]

They aren't though.

One is talking about universes, and existing between dimensions isn't a thing. Can you exist between width and height?