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Not if his AD gets copied.
Chaos Control, which is a lot of things.
According to his profile he copied all the innate powers of the following characters:
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Saitama fights another copycat with Accelerated Development (Saitama vs Emerl) (4-7-0)
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According to his profile he copied all the innate powers of the following characters:
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Since the AP gap is agreed to be nonexistent, why is this fun and games?
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Well Garou thought that the only way to beat Saitama was by "copying his limitless power" with Mode: Saitama and even then, Saitama still out-Saitama'd him
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Garou couldn't match his AD while he was using Mode: Saitama though lol. He literally outgrew a copy of his AD, so I don't think that would work.
What does it mean by "Innate" exactly?
Hard to compare. Mechanics are so much different. That's basically space time magic. Which is completely different from a martial art technique that sub-atomically controls particles to warp back in time.
I don't think Saitama could copy something like Chaos Control but I also don't think that Emerl could copy something like the Time Reversal Fist.
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it isn't currently, it got moved over to vs threads some time ago
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That isn't agreed to be the case, emerls still has more thab 6 times of an AP advantage
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Any proof that garou copied his AD?
all the powers that don't require equipment
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6x AP advantage is super irrelevant to Parallel Timeline Saitama.
The AP calc he scales to didn't even scratch him.
And after that he scaled exponentially higher. Like an actual exponential graph above that feat. Not just someone saying "exponential" with a bunch of antifeats against that being the case. We literally see that it is.
Keep in mind, this was like an exponential growth that was superior to Garoui's exponential growth. So like... nah.
Saitama then proceeded to just absolutely obliterate Garou after performing his sneeze with a single strike.
If anything I'd argue Saitama one shots.
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The fact that he goes "Mode:Saitama" while saying he would copy him endlessly.
And then showing to have started with the same exact level of growth before Saitama just outpaces him.
And Garou saying he is hitting him back with the same power.
It's pretty blatant.
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Key difference is Garou couldn't copy Saitama's Accelerated Development, just his power.
If Saitama actually fought a perfect copy of himself the AP gap wouldn't exist.
Looking at his profile I'm not seeing any proof Garou attained Saitama's AD, just his power level (momentarily, before getting surpassed and dogwalked).
Garou getting surpassed is an easy indicator he couldn't copy Saitama's sheer growth.
"Innate" means "natural", like humans having the ability to breathe naturally. In this case, Emerl copied all of Sonic's basic abilities, like his speed and Spin Dashing and shit.
Fair. Given Emerl has CC he probably wouldn't need to though.
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Dang it
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There is a lot of proof though.
Like, we literally see that they are growing the same way but Saitama just outpaces him.
Garou is even confused by how that's happening when he should be hitting him back with the same power.
And Mode:Saitama should already be an indicator that he can just do whatever Saitama is doing.
It's not listed on the profile because Garou already had AD and I didn't see the need to add it there. (I am the one who made his cosmic key smh)
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"6x AP advantage is super irrelevant to Parallel Timeline Saitama.
The AP calc he scales to didn't even scratch him.
And after that he scaled exponentially higher. Like an actual exponential graph above that feat. Not just someone saying "exponential" with a bunch of antifeats against that being the case. We literally see that it is.
Keep in mind, this was like an exponential growth that was superior to Garoui's exponential growth. So like... nah.
Saitama then proceeded to just absolutely obliterate Garou after performing his sneeze with a single strike."
Ohh then what's Saitama exact AP value then?
The AP calc he scales to didn't even scratch him.
And after that he scaled exponentially higher. Like an actual exponential graph above that feat. Not just someone saying "exponential" with a bunch of antifeats against that being the case. We literally see that it is.
Keep in mind, this was like an exponential growth that was superior to Garoui's exponential growth. So like... nah.
Saitama then proceeded to just absolutely obliterate Garou after performing his sneeze with a single strike."
Ohh then what's Saitama exact AP value then?
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Saitama isn't one-shotting.
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Just wayyy ******* higher than the 67 ExaFoe because VSBW won't let us use the graph
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That doesn't mean he can copy Saitama's emotion-based accelerated development tbh. Especially when that was something that required breaking his limiter. And also in that case anything that Saitama has that a human doesn't have wouldn't be an inmate ability.
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any proof that this growth is enough to breach an quantifiable 6x gap? like you said, he scales to the value, heavily upscale yes, but by how much is not quantifiable, we don't know how many times above the value he is, there is no way to say that it is enough to breach an gap like the one Emerl have over him, that isn't how this site works at least
yeah.....copy his power/AP, not his individual haxes, what is the proof that he copied saitama's haxes when he went "Mode:Saitama"?
yeah, because he keeps constantly copying his power + his own AD that he had even before going Cosmic fear mode, nothing you said indicates anything more than him copying saitama's AP
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Someone would have to be extremely, extremely disingenuous to say this isn't enough to cover a mere 6x gap.
I don't know what to tell you because I think it clearly does indicate that.
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At most they’re equal. You can’t say Saitama has the AP advantage if his upscaling is unquantifiable. That’s not how that works.
He’d be blitzing instead.
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I said I could argue Saitama could one shot a lot easier than you could argue that Emerl one shots.
I really can't see how anyone could read that Saitama fight and genuinely think that Saitama would lose from a 6x AP gap above the feat he effortlessly tanked lmfao.
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It's the standards of verse matches here in regards to using scaling chains, Phoenks which applies to all not just Saitama
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And I am of the belief that common sense should maybe, just maybe, come before standards that go against common sense in this case.
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Agreed, but Emerl can just copy his AP and spin dash, which is going to be difficult to deal with
...also chaos control
...also chaos control
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no, someone would need to be very disingenuous to believe such a gap is covered even tho nothing says that it is, only that he is "A large gap" above it, if we accepted by how much he was, then he would scale to that value directly, this is how this site works, you can't just say that he is above someone who scales above his calc in AP without showing proof of how many times above his calc he is
considering that Garou couldn't keep up with him, and nothing saying that he copies all hax as well at all, then no, i wouldn't say that it indicates that
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I don’t see why not.
You took my example a bit too literally.
Emerl copies all the powers of a target, it isn’t a species-specific thing.
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Phoenks again this is the standards for verse matches, that are out of there universe, this applies to everyone there's tons of people with absolutely massive one shot upscaling chains, Saitama wouldn't be at all special in that regard.
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I don't plan to read everything, but I agree that Saitama would outgrow Emerl, and Emerl shouldn't be able to copy Saitama's AD because Ultimate Emerl is ALREADY his limit... like, he was literally dying because he copied this level of power. I imagine growing any further would just kill him quicker and give Saitama a win without Saitama having to do anything.
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You could've probably voted for him since you gave a good amount of reasoning, but understandable. Have a good one
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No, it's quite literally like that in the story, this is not a made up scaling chain. Thank to his AD Saitama was beating the shit out of a Garou who was instantly copying his power level each time they exchanged blows eventually leaving him so far behind he can casually catch his punches and a simple sneeze makes Garou's body dodge in advance on his own to the danger
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Saitama's not going to get one shot by the spindash
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Spindash amp got decreased to 56x iirc, so ADing his way to match it would be easier.
Plus spindash isn't always active 24/7 anyways, and spamming it is just gonna trigger AD faster
Chaos control is a GG though if he uses it for BFR or TS (Don't think he ever used these applications against Sonic though, so it's probably OOC)
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I'm still trying to find the video used in the 346 amp calculation
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