His feat comes from the Serious Punch2 and in his profile Parallel Time Saitama has a "likely higher (Grew exponentially in power while fighting with Awakened Garou, surpassing and eventually stopping him, vastly outpacing his reactive evolution and power mimicry in the process[1]). "
Yes, it does but that still only applicable only for in universe (from his own verse) vs threads. The same way a 333 tons character can also have a higher rating (with let's say the same feats as Saitama giving such a "Higher rating") and face a Small Town Level 2 kiloton (2000 tons) from a different universe. But the character will still get two shot. If the upscale was counted like you're implying here the 333 ton would be at least baseline small town level, but no they aren't given that rating and neither is it applicable outside of there own verse.
Even though it's shown he's capable of one-shotting a much stronger Garou than the one from the feat?
Yes it's still the same, it can be you one shotted him via your heart beat, breath, by literally staring. Now like I've said previously regarding the second part of your post
Wouldn't the fight end in 2 punches then?
Oh, I thought you were also debating his AD not being a wincon lol
After the first punch, his AD would've kicked in. Two punches would not be enough to kill him. Still waiting on how he outskills Saitama who casually outskills Cosmic Garou.
He didn't outskill Garou he was just tanking his punches and attacking at the same time
Lying about how fast/good his AD is or what exactly?
He did.
I did not say instantly, but his AD would definitely allow him to grow fast enough to not just die in two hits.
he just copied, He doesn't even know how to parry, Redirect or even block, He just straight up tanks the attack and attacks at the same time
The thing is, The first punch will make him stunned or shocked because he never recieved a punch of Emerl's caliber meaning he his AD won't activate immediately as he needs to feel an upsurge of emotions
Brother, his AP may be only what is shown on the wiki, but his AD still shows him having grown enough to one shot someone that scales much higher than their calced AP value.
I never contested against his AD
You're really going to skip the part where he could surpass him? and when he literally does by completing his time travel?
He's been rocked multiple times by people much stronger than him. An already exhausted Saitama was dropped in one hit by Light Pull Cord, his ad kicked in, tanked the second hit without any trouble and proceeded to One-Shot. Sure, it might hurt, but don't forget he still has Supernatural Willpower.
Actually, does Emerl start with his speed amp?
Sure, threw in a little jab though
I was asking a questioning for the thread in general not for me specifically.
Where does this equate to him being able to block, Parry or deflect?
He didn't even do any of the things above against Garou which is far more dangerous than light cord
Not that i know of but he can since he has copied characters who start with Homing attack
Attack Reflection, Air Manipulation, Statistics Amplification, and likely more (Should possess all the abilities of Garou's Perfected Martial Art[3][4] after copying it[1])
He didn't need to, he was always either equal or stronger.
I only provided that for the Supernatural Willpower.
So, since this is equal speed, Saitama realizes the difference in strength due to the first punch exchange, uses Perfected Martial arts and simply outskills him while his AD is kicking in?
The only time he has showned to copy was (To my knowledge, Correct me if i'm wrong) was just a neck chop and time travel
That's the problem, After the first punch, He would activate his AD but it won't increase his strenght unless he trade blows
Fair
He won't outskill + Homing attack
It's in the profile
He gets stronger simply from taking the blow. He doesn't need to trade blows
Why won't he outskill? Can you provide an explanation why?
How fast do sonic characters usually take to use Homing Attack?
I know but he doesn't start with it
I see, But doesn't close the gap that quick
Like what i said before;
Aside from Emerl, Sonic characters start with homing attacks
Garou is a meme character. Saitama would literally copy Emerl's hand to hand moves and also make them better. Saitama literally beat one of the most skilled combatants in this wiki, where matches with him usually ended with "garou adapts gg"
True, he does not, but Parallel Time Saitama is always serious and will use it if needed. I'm not just making it up, after he copied it, he didn't stop using it until he was well superior to Garou.
It does. As I've said:
Do any of them come even close to Garou in skill level? As Phoenks Said:
And when was Emerl shown to use it, and if he was, how long did he take to use it.
So can Emerl
Still don't know if will take huesito word or not
No, But he can copy as well
No, But nothing stops Emerl from doing the same
Emerl includes chaos energy, Which is space time magic
He isn't with Emerl though
He uses depending on the skill set, But here he has all skill set of everyone
But will he use it in character? PT Saitama kept using it until the end of the fight after copying it, so safe to say he will use here when he realizes the difference in power.
He wasn't arguing against Saitama's AD, just the matter of AP upscaling from the feat, which I already agreed that it doesn't per the wiki's rules
But if he copies too much he will die, as he already was dying due to having absorbed too much power.you can also see this here or per Laser's words
Except Saitama's and Garou's feat is pure skill. It's martial arts, not exactly hax. As per Phoenks's words
Yes he is, Saitama genuinely outskills
But you yourself said that he doesn't start with it. I just want to know how long it takes him to start using it.
For the non bolded part Maverick Zero a admin in this thread confirms it and I've have talked to someone regarding the rule for that and that's the answer I got. (If there cases where it wasn't then I'd like to see those threads, so I can collect it for evidence)
Could you link me to Maverick's message or screenshot the person you talked to (Specifically their answer)?
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Seems like they're implying scaling chains are still applicable. Just that an unquantifiable upscaling can't be used to say they're superior. The way you had been phrasing it, I thought you meant upscaling/scaling chains can't be used at all.
They don't Maverick had almost the right idea, but I'm thinking he missed up somewhere.
I'll have to look into this. I've never seen scaling chains being unusable in vs matches until today. So maybe this is some new change being implemented or smth.
Nope always has been (while not if look back like really far like in 2018 then no)
Yeah. Scaling chains that can't be quantified won't beat large numerical differences or solid multipliers.
Would you say if two people have an identical value (i.e. 50 Tons), and one person turned someone who scales to 50 tons in their verse into a red past by breathing on them would be able to one-shot someone who pulled off a feat that was 50 tons?
Oh yeah definitely.
