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They got nothing, when is the downgrade happening?
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You know, your impatience and your inability to bring any meaningful points besides just hopping on the backs of others, isn't making you look very good. If I were you I wouldn't keep pushing my luck and rushing the thread.They got nothing, when is the downgrade happening?
You’re literally the most biased person in this entire thread, there will be no downgrade because 90% of people here disagree with the downgradesThey got nothing, when is the downgrade happening?
I said I would bring someone her he is.You know, your impatience and your inability to bring any meaningful points besides just hopping on the backs of others, isn't making you look very good. If I were you I wouldn't keep pushing my luck and rushing the thread.
So you, a person who has a history of bias against marvel and dc, making spite threads to downgrade them even, enlisted someone specifically to come here and downgrade DC?I said I would bring someone her he is.
Facts. The only other person who agreed was Ant who gave 0 evidence for any of his arguments.You’re literally the most biased person in this entire thread, there will be no downgrade because 90% of people here disagree with the downgrades
He has debunked all their desperate attempts to uphold the current tier. It's clear that amped Perpetua is High 3-A and the brothers massively downscale to that 3-B.You’re literally the most biased person in this entire thread, there will be no downgrade because 90% of people here disagree with the downgrades
I already addressed this in like, my 4th comment:He has plenty of 2-A feats in Crisis from his wave rippling through every universe at every point in time
This proves that Hypertime exists on an ontologically superior level to the lower level of existence where the universes are contained.
This was never my argument whatsoever. It was described in strictly physical terms and often took place in strictly physical contexts with physical concepts at play. Likewise, many physical characters have gone to the Sphere and hurt or even killed it's inhabitants.your mountain of evidence is that they are depicted as looking three-dimensional because they exist in media made by three-dimensional people
Again, what point are you trying to make here? This piece of information disproves your theory.1) She’s destroying 52 and then reshaping the universe. Already solidified by BWL.
Again, you have failed to address my argument. Why would she care which universes are known or not, and why would she refer to the multiverse in such terms? And again, if the Monitors are referring to these worlds as "known" why wouldn't Perpetua if that were the case?2) Rementioning the 52 universes being only the known universes proves nothing when Multiversity already solidifies the notion.
3) Can you post the statement? Also I didn’t strawman you. You directly tried to imply that Perpetuas actions weren’t something to concern over.
Her victory will occur. Once she finishes destroying the 52 she’ll remake everything else. Directly said by the BWL.
There will be no downgrade because people disagree despite the thread clearly having solid logical basis? Might as well make Goku tier 0 because I am sure people will agree with itYou’re literally the most biased person in this entire thread, there will be no downgrade because 90% of people here disagree with the downgrades
For real, I’m so tired of the argument “Well I read a ton of comics and Consistency matters!” Like it stops discussion and upgrades for both Marvel and DcFacts. The only other person who agreed was Ant who gave 0 evidence for any of his arguments.
Yeah it's not like we're taking a vote lmao. That would literally just result in dedicated fandoms dictating upgrades unilaterally. The better evidence and logical reasoning should prevail, as determined by the mods.There will be no downgrade because people disagree despite the thread clearly having solid logical basis?
Not only that but it’s always new accounts to for some reasonIf the people pushing for the downgrade are just going to start being snarky then I hold myself to be snarky too.
I would appreciate it if you didn't contribute to or initiate this kind of jeering. I don't want to be dragged into it or associate with it.While @Deagonx is shredding their arguments.
I meanYeah it's not like we're taking a vote lmao. That would literally just result in dedicated fandoms dictating upgrades unilaterally. The better evidence and logical reasoning should prevail, as determined by the mods.
You absolutely contributted it in several of your comments, don't go pretending you're a nice guy now. At least own up to it.I would appreciate it if you didn't contribute to or initiate this kind of jeering. I don't want to be dragged into it or associate with it.
Alright. As you wishes.I would appreciate it if you didn't contribute to or initiate this kind of jeering. I don't want to be dragged into it or associate with it.
I mean... You kinda were going along with his comments just a few minutes ago?I would appreciate it if you didn't contribute to or initiate this kind of jeering. I don't want to be dragged into it or associate with it.
Again, this breaks the story. Why would she only need to destroy 52 of infinite universes to reshape the multiverse?No it doesn’t because destroying the 52 known universes =/= destroying the infinite universes.
This question is not a response to the problem of "why would Perpetua care which universes are known or not?" And "why would she refer to the multiverse in such terms?"Why would we need Perpetua to remention the 52 universes only being the known universes when Multiversity already solidifies the notion?
Yes there is, it is literally in the first set of scans, 3rd from the bottom.Theres 0 statements by Alpheus in your OP.
Except there are no references to 52 "known" universes in the story. That phrase was only ever used in Multiversity and doesn't apply to Death Metal automatically without actual reasoning as to why Perpetua or Alpheus would refer to the multiverse by which universes are "known" or not.Also references to the 52 known universes does not prove the amount of universes in the whole multiverse is finite.
I responded to a comment about 1 character being stronger than another and confirmed it, that's not the same as what I was asking him to stop.I mean... You kinda were going along with his comments just a few minutes ago?
This is textbook ad-hominem.This is the guy who
This is a strawman and a misrepresentation of my argument. I never claimed that a realm with buildings and humanoids in it couldn't be metaphysical. What comment did I say such a thing in?So one of his prevalent points was "This realm cant be tier 2 or tier 1 because its not abstract enough" pretty much. He claims that a realm with buildings and humanoids in it or anything resembling any form of human or otherwise non-abstract architecture isn't even close to a metaphysical realm, and caps at 3-D.
Your discrepancies were 1 single misrepresentation of my arguments and bringing up that I made a joke thread 8 months ago, arguing for a "-1 tier" and liking my own comments.I'm going to point out a few discrepancies in the OP's interpretations really quickly.
The collapse of the multiverse was due to a singularity/black hole at the center, not because of the presence of Darkseid's true form. That was damaging the multiverse and he was trying to pull the multiverse into the black hole, but it wasn't simply that the Multiverse couldn't handle his truee form.
Again, I asked for evidence of this and you did not provide any, so I'll just repeat the earlier response:
Again, a vague reference to some mountain of evidence that has not yet been provided. Countless statements? The only one that has ever been provided is Batman's statement, which is wrong in calling it platonic which already puts its validity into question.
Likewise, you failed to address thee fact that they are in fact, consistently portrayed as physical, with numerous statements and interactions that emphasize physicality.
"To be clear, most realms in the Sphere of the Gods are not metaphysical.This is a strawman and a misrepresentation of my argument. I never claimed that a realm with buildings and humanoids in it couldn't be metaphysical. What comment did I say such a thing in?
Okay in that thread you were "Dead serious mate" but now its a joke? Again I won't use it much here as its in the past, but i'm still suspicious of you.Your discrepancies were 1 single misrepresentation of my arguments and bringing up that I made a joke thread 8 months ago, arguing for a "-1 tier" and liking my own comments.
It was so she could make her army of Apex predators.Again, this breaks the story. Why would she only need to destroy 52 of infinite universes to reshape the multiverse?
Because they’re the ones we know? Why would the comic need to show us Perpetua turning an infinite amount of universes into apex predators? That’s absurd.This question is not a response to the problem of "why would Perpetua care which universes are known or not?" And "why would she refer to the multiverse in such terms?"
There doesn't need to be. It was already referenced in the past as I've already said FOR THE 50TH TIME.Except there are no references to 52 "known" universes in the story. That phrase was only ever used in Multiversity and doesn't apply to Death Metal automatically without actual reasoning as to why Perpetua or Alpheus would refer to the multiverse by which universes are "known" or not.