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One Piece Chapter 1043: "Let us die together" (Official Release)

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Let's try to be less negative and more patient with each other here. We are all still fans of the world's arguably greatest (or at least most popular) ongoing comic book series.
 
Okay. People here seemed to be too annoyed with each other over minor details.
 
Why I don't like Garp:

1. Has the nerve to get angry at Akainu for killing Ace (which don't get me wrong was horrible), never mind that the ENTIRE POINT of Marineford was for the Marines to execute Ace. Like, would he have killed those 2 guys if they'd managed to behead Ace?

You don't get to prevent Ace from being rescued for most of the Battle and THEN decide you're mad at his killers.

2. He doesn't want to be an admiral since he'd have to serve the Celestial Dragons, yet he never does anything to limit the other awful shit the Dragons do that he could prevent, unlike Smoker who tries his hardest.

3. Even by OP standards his abuse is really stretching it.

4. Somehow thought that terrorizing and beating his grandsons would make them want to join the Marines and not get AS FAR AWAY FROM HIM as possible.

5. Tried killing the Straw Hats with that massive flail for basically the lolz

6. Treated Coby better than he did his own grandsons! I mean I love Coby and his character growth (and he is one of the 2 people I consider shipping with Reiju) but STILL!

7. We never see him actually beat up evil pirates in the present story, just him lying around and messing with Sengoku.

He's like all the issues I had with Tashigi but WORSE, because at least Tashigi can put her Straw Hat hatred and ego aside when the lives of children are on the line!

Also Tashigi is about as threatening to the Straw Hats as a kitten, where as I said above Garp once nearly killed them all with that MASSIVE iron ball for the lolz.

Dadan was their real mother, and Garp was barely their grandfather and was never there when they needed him.
 
Eseseso said:
Has the nerve to get angry at Akainu for killing Ace (which don't get me wrong was horrible), never mind that the ENTIRE POINT of Marineford was for the Marines to execute Ace. Like, would he have killed those 2 guys if they'd managed to behead Ace?
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I think he probably accepted it as fact the first time. But after seeing Luffy and everyone else fighting to free Ace, and even seeing Ace himself fight for freedom and fighting back, he probably saw hope in it all... something like that..
 
Nierre said:
I think he probably accepted it as fact the first time. But after seeing Luffy and everyone else fighting to free Ace, and even seeing Ace himself fight for freedom and fighting back, he probably saw hope in it all... something like that..
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...Nah. Not buying it. You're probably right but to me it seems like a poor attempt at redeeming Garp for keeping Marco from saving Ace.
 
Eseseso said:
What does he do to actually fight the World Government's corruption and the abuse done by the World Nobles?
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Disobeyed their order to capture Luffy
Declined the admiral position w/ raising their power of abuse because he hates the celestial dragons
Shit he let Luffy go save Ace when they wanted em dead
His moral code consists of not protecting celestial dragons

Idky y’all think that he’s just there to be a sellout. Mans actually tries
 
Ppl saying Joyboy luffy gonna defeat Kaido when the one and only hasn’t even awakened yet. Anime rules clearly dictate that the one who powers up last wins. Luffy bout to get mopped again, the raid will fail, and we will follow Kaido’s POV thereafter. Trust.
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Donquixote_DeadPanky said:
Ppl saying Joyboy luffy gonna defeat Kaido when the one and only hasn’t even awakened yet. Anime rules clearly dictate that the one who powers up last wins. Luffy bout to get mopped again, the raid will fail, and we will follow Kaido’s POV thereafter. Trust.
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Thats....actually a big brain move if that happen
Basically Marley from AoT lel
 
Garp is what I would consider a liberal ... He is a person who sees immense systemic corruption and abuse but still naively believes in the overall value of the system itself ... Garp thinks, like many liberals IRL that you could just change the people at the top of the system and convert it into a force for good. In many ways, he is a conservative because he isn't really bothered by the hierarchy of power that has been set up, he just wishes the people on the top were more empathetic and less shitty. For someone like Garp, the priority is always harm-reduction and incrementalism

In contrast, Dragon is a revolutionary (a very Che Guevara-type figure) and Luffy is an ideological libertarian

PS: Everything I wrote about Garp here equally (if not moreso) applies to Sengoku
 
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RoyGundam said:
Garp is what I would consider a liberal ... He is a person who sees immense systemic corruption and abuse but still naively believes in the overall value of the system itself ... Garp thinks, like many liberals IRL that you could just change the people at the top of the system and convert it into a force for good. In many ways, he is a conservative because he isn't really bothered by the hierarchy of power that has been set up, but he just wishes the people on the top were more empathetic and less shitty. For someone like Garp, the priority is always harm-reduction and incrementalism

In contrast, Dragon is a revolutionary (a very Che Guevara-type figure) and Luffy is an ideological libertarian

PS: Everything I wrote about Garp here equally (if not moreso) applies to Sengoku
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Che Guevara did some horrible things IRL. He is a false hero, whereas Dragon seems to be the real deal in genuinely fighting for freedom and human rights.

As a mixture of left libertarian and anti-totalitarian democratic socialist, I agree about Garp and Luffy though. Oda has accurately diagnosed some of the real world's worst problems and efficiently reflected them in a high fantasy adventure setting.

One Piece is kind of the ideological opposite of Bleach, as it is about fighting for hope, joy, freedom, and friendship, whereas Bleach is about fighting for thoroughly corrupt, nihilistic, and mirthless authoritarianism and social-Darwinism.
 
Antvasima said:
As a mixture of left libertarian and anti-totalitarian democratic socialist, I agree about Garp and Luffy though. Oda has accurately diagnosed some of the real world's worst problems and efficiently reflected them in a high fantasy adventure setting.
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The politics of One Piece (in general) and the Monkey family in particular, are surprisingly well thought out
 
One Piece's politics can be interpreted as so many things, when we talk about Luffy in particular.

I've seen people interpreting Luffy as an Anarchocapitalist Libertarian, or as a Socialist
(for real, even Communist Luffy popped up once)
 
Nope. Communists are extremely totalitarian, and Luffy has stated outright that he is not selfless enough to share his "loot"/gains with people that he does not know, but is also a protector rather than a social-Darwinist. Luffy is definitely a libertarian due to his extreme love of freedom, but also constantly advocates personal responsibility, and distaste in those who hide from the world, or are too cowardly to put themselves on the line against tyranny. I would place him as a center or center-right libertarian because of this.
 
Antvasima said:
One Piece is kind of the ideological opposite of Bleach, as it is about fighting for hope, joy, freedom, and friendship, whereas Bleach is about fighting for thoroughly corrupt, nihilistic, and mirthless authoritarianism and social-Darwinism.
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Yeah, Bleach is a very "protect the status quo and solve problems internally" kind of story. From what I have heard, that seems to be the dominant ideology in Japan - which is very fitting with the completely traditional Japanese setting of Soul Society
 
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