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Hybrid Yamato >= Pre-healing Zoro, not sure about current Zoro after the King fight.Time for Hot Takes
Zoro<Yamato<Luffy
Hybrid Yamato is above Gear 4 Pre-Infusion Luffy but is =< Current Gear 4 + Infusion Luffy
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Hybrid Yamato >= Pre-healing Zoro, not sure about current Zoro after the King fight.Time for Hot Takes
Zoro<Yamato<Luffy
I don't think she has an ability disadvantage considering her fruit description said this: "Yamato, the current ability holder, has sublimated this technique and made it so cold and strong that it cancels out the high heat breath of Kaido"We forgetting she matched a boro breath with an ability disadvantage?
Should Kid and Law really be above Yamoto/Zoro? And if anything Kid>Law in powerI mean with Base+Hao, Luffy is already stronger than the best we've seen from Yamato and Zoro, and then he can slap greater forms on, so yeah...
Top 10 on Onigashima
1. Kaidou
2. Luffy (Until Joyboy Form ***** Kaidou up)
3. Big Mom
4. Law
5. Kid
6. Yamato/Zoro (I'll put em together since I admit it's very debatable)
7. King
8. Marco
9. Sanji
10. Queen
I probably forgot some people, considering there's so many goddamn characters
There's also the issue that we didn't SEE post Hao Luffy vs Kaido Round 2 either. Yamato likely wouldn't last as long as he did since she got saved.Idk about about Hybrid Yamato being almost equal to Hybrid Kaido or being above Initial Hao Luffy. When the two tried matching each other at the same time she came up short every time (Their arrow attacks / Thunder Bagua's) the only time she really looked superior was near the end where Kaido wasn't hitting back and she got free hits in.
But I wouldn't say she's Base Kaido level in Hybrid considering she still had good feats when it was Base vs Base or even when she was in Base vs his Hybrid.
True we didn't see it, but even with the short showing we did get I'd still put that base Luffy above what she showed; although she may be superior in durability mainly due to a lack of feats from that version of Luffy.There's also the issue that we didn't SEE post Hao Luffy vs Kaido Round 2 either. Yamato likely wouldn't last as long as he did since she got saved.
It's a fighter list, in terms of overall abilities including raw powerShould Kid and Law really be above Yamoto/Zoro? And if anything Kid>Law in power
Agreed. Her ability to divert damage because of the ice shell comes in clutch when clashing Thunder Baguas.True we didn't see it, but even with the short showing we did get I'd still put that base Luffy above what she showed; although she may be superior in durability mainly due to a lack of feats from that version of Luffy.
Even without the ice armor she took a bunch of Hao infused hits from Hybrid Kaido, so yeah her durability should be above Round 3 Luffy who didn't really get any durability feats.Agreed. Her ability to divert damage because of the ice shell comes in clutch when clashing Thunder Baguas.
The lack of showing in the second round stumps Luffy, but I'd as an overall fighter he definitely scales over her.Round 3 Luffy is a whole different beast-
The balls to put Luffy above "Sizable Meme" though.I mean with Base+Hao, Luffy is already stronger than the best we've seen from Yamato and Zoro, and then he can slap greater forms on, so yeah...
Top 10 on Onigashima
1. Kaidou
2. Luffy (Until Joyboy Form ***** Kaidou up)
3. Big Mom
4. Law
5. Kid
6. Yamato/Zoro (I'll put em together since I admit it's very debatable)
7. King
8. Marco
9. Sanji
10. Queen
I probably forgot some people, considering there's so many goddamn characters
Nah, since Big Mom is a clown and always will beBig Mom at peak health + all three Homies beats current Luffy IMO.
She has Luffy beat in versatility, but her lack of use of Haoshoku Coating makes her a clown imo.Big Mom at peak health + all three Homies beats current Luffy IMO.
YupBig Mom at peak health + all three Homies beats current Luffy IMO.
She uses it when she wants toShe has Luffy beat in versatility, but her lack of use of Haoshoku Coating makes her a clown imo.
Unknown.does big mom have fs?
No until proven otherwise.does big mom have fs?
Future Sight."Fs"?
Well, Hera would be practically useless, as well as all of her lightning based attacks.Big Mom at peak health + all three Homies beats current Luffy IMO.
I think this is a good ranking, and you forgot Killer who IMO should be just below the likes of Sanji and Queen. He didn't really get to showcase his abilities apart from the one durability bypassing attack he performed on Kaido and later he stomped Hawkins with almost casual ease once he figured out what he needed to doI mean with Base+Hao, Luffy is already stronger than the best we've seen from Yamato and Zoro, and then he can slap greater forms on, so yeah...
Top 10 on Onigashima
1. Kaidou
2. Luffy (Until Joyboy Form ***** Kaidou up)
3. Big Mom
4. Law
5. Kid
6. Yamato/Zoro (I'll put em together since I admit it's very debatable)
7. King
8. Marco
9. Sanji
10. Queen
I probably forgot some people, considering there's so many goddamn characters
I'd put Killer above Queen, ignoring his durability negation he was still able to cause Base Kaido pain with his regular attacks, damaged Napoleon who would scale to Big Mom's AP and his attacks that were redirected to Kid by Hawkins were able to badly damage him and Kid could take a lot of attacks from Big Mom.I think this is a good ranking, and you forgot Killer who IMO should be just below the likes of Sanji and Queen. He didn't really get to showcase his abilities apart from the one durability bypassing attack he performed on Kaido and later he stomped Hawkins with almost casual ease once he figured out what he needed to do
Kid is also notable in his durability ... He was fighting Big Mom while being remotely hurt by Hawkins
Not reallyIs current Sanji comparable in power to current Zoro?
His regular attacks may have inflicted pain but he couldn't even break base Kaido's skin.I'd put Killer above Queen, ignoring his durability negation he was still able to cause Base Kaido pain with his regular attacks, damaged Napoleon who would scale to Big Mom's AP and his attacks that were redirected to Kid by Hawkins were able to badly damage him and Kid could take a lot of attacks from Big Mom.
If thoseNot really
I agree with this. Hawkins was bashing his face against walls and whatnot, and it was hurting Kid. We never saw Killer directly attack Hawkins until the disarming.And it wasn't the attacks from him that were being deflected to Kid but the damage that Hawkins was getting from them.
That's fair but I'm not claiming he did, the likes of Kid and Law failed to draw blood from him on his skin but regardless they still did caused him pain with their attacks.His regular attacks may have inflicted pain but he couldn't even break base Kaido's skin.
He never actually damaged Napoleon. As in, there's no visible injuries left on Napoleon from his attacks.
And it wasn't the attacks from him that were being deflected to Kid but the damage that Hawkins was getting from them.
It seems like a big overestimation to put Killer above Queen just based on that. After all, it's not like we know how well Queen's attacks would work on Kaido and if he would be capable of inflicting pain on him at all.
Marco in 8th is disrespectfulI mean with Base+Hao, Luffy is already stronger than the best we've seen from Yamato and Zoro, and then he can slap greater forms on, so yeah...
Top 10 on Onigashima
1. Kaidou
2. Luffy (Until Joyboy Form ***** Kaidou up)
3. Big Mom
4. Law
5. Kid
6. Yamato/Zoro (I'll put em together since I admit it's very debatable)
7. King
8. Marco
9. Sanji
10. Queen
I probably forgot some people, considering there's so many goddamn characters
Yeah yeah I know, he tanked a Boro Breath, but like, who hasn't?Marco in 8th is disrespectful
Fought and matched Big MomYeah yeah I know, he tanked a Boro Breath, but like, who hasn't?
Ok, where would you have him? Like above Law and Kid? I'm curious as to where ya put himFought and matched Big Mom
Blocked a Boro Breath from an enraged Kaidou while exhausted (Luffy’s deadass the only person to tank a boro breath)
Fought King and Queen at the same time
Fought Admirals
Some of the best stamina in the verse
Like come on now
Hmmm, I can agree to that, Zorotards would be raging tho... Which you know what... That's a good thingBetween Law and Kid