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Marco did absolutely nothing to King, Zoro beat him
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One Piece Chapter 1043: "Let us die together" (Official Release)
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Zoro beat him when his fire amp was turned off and rolled to the fact that he couldn’t hurt him with the flame on.
Marco was holding him off and he drew blood while his fire amp was on.
Don’t ever compare those two again
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Nah. Marco didn't even damage King's suit
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Zoro also drew King's blood while his fire amp was on in literally his first attack in Chapter 1022.Zoro beat him when his fire amp was turned off and rolled to the fact that he couldn’t hurt him with the flame on.
Marco was holding him off and he drew blood while his fire amp was on.
Don’t ever compare those two again
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No ... Oda retcons injuries all the time. What we do know for sure is that neither Marco nor Zoro damaged King's flame amped body. For Marco we know it because there is not even any superficial damage on King's body (or clothes) after he was done with Marco and for Zoro we know this because of Zoro's inner monologue
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I don't think there's enough evidence to say either was retconned.
Zoro never claimed he was never able to make King bleed only that "I've hit him with a few slashes... yet he's not bleeding" this is after the Tatsumaki he is stated to have blocked and we see when doing so he covered his wings in his flames, later we see Zoro attempt to attack him with the shishi sonson with King taking it, however, we see the area that was hit was once again covered in King's flame.
The difference between 1022 where Zoro cut him and those two instances is that even though King had his back flame active and is very durable the area that was being attacked wasn't covered in his flames.
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Btw, will Monster Point Chopper be a 6-B? Because as awesome as that would be, Queen was playing with him the entire fight.
Also, which form of King is equal to Queen's strongest form/abilities? As in, which is the lowest form King has that is >= Queen's strongest form/abilities?
Also, which form of King is equal to Queen's strongest form/abilities? As in, which is the lowest form King has that is >= Queen's strongest form/abilities?
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Base King with his punches/kicks matched pre-awakening Sanji who also matched Hybrid Queen's flying pan attack. So probably around there is where you can actually compare them.
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Hybrid/Base when we actually see him fighting them.
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It doesn't even look like Zoro made King bleed TBH
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Got it, thanks.
Since Base King was comparable to Hybrid Marco (even if Marco was somewhat exhausted) and Hybrid Marco was almost equal to 1-Homie Big Mom, this speaks volumes of how much of a beast King is, especially since Zoan King overpowered Marco.
It fits well with how Queen was terrified of a chained-up Big Mom while King was totally unafraid.
Hybrid King could probably hold his own against Hybrid Kaido.
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Zoro damaged his fire amped form well before their actual fight too, it was a very clear retcon, stop wanking MarcoZoro beat him when his fire amp was turned off and rolled to the fact that he couldn’t hurt him with the flame on.
Marco was holding him off and he drew blood while his fire amp was on.
Don’t ever compare those two again
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Idk about all that, base king really only scales to Marco with swordsmanship and his lunarian abilities which don't scale to his zoan forms (and later in the Zoro fight there's actually good reason to believe that the Lunarian fire & Swordsmanship scale above king's zoan states)
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I'd put Yamato above Marco, but below Law due to her Hybrid Form, and Zoro above Kid by a very slight margin (which is wider if we consider Haoshoku Coating and Asura)
Other than that, agreed.
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Zoro's damage was retconned, not Marco's.
Don't call everything you don't agree with wank
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Just make a feats blog for the characters, simple.
The damage that Marcos dealt to King and Queen wasn't even that considerable.
The damage that Marcos dealt to King and Queen wasn't even that considerable.
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That's mental gymnastics, Tempest. King's DURABILITY is what changed, not Zoro's AP. Making only Zoro's damage a retcon, and not Marco's, when King's durability was the subject changed is nonsense.
Both Zoro and Marco damaged Pre-Retcon King, we do not know if Marco can damage Post-Retcon King. Using him as a comparision is far too unreliable.
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King 'bout to have two keys just to cover thatretcons...
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"Pre retcon king" King's durability was never retconned, it was the damage Zoro did to him.
Zoro dealt one slash attack damage on King. The next chapter the slash was gone. Doesn't have regen of that level or anything, but the slash just wasn't there.
King's dura was never retconned, ever. His technique was revealed, and because someone has 1 questionable feat, we cancel every other feat connected? Hell no
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Marco didn't damage King at all ... Not even superficial damage on his clothes
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he drew blood from his mouth with a knee
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No he didn't. He didn't even break King's mask
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Yeah that is extremely suspect. I don't believe that is blood
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Eh we’ll learn when the Anime adapts the scene
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I brought that up before and someone said that the sfx was that of ruble instead blood spilling.
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Agreed
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Or the colored manga version
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The ancient zoan's actually do have that level of regen.
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Is this implying that Marco > Zoro with Hao coating?
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To heal large slash wounds in that short of a timeframe (idk… 10 seconds?) is unknown and not shown
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Heck, screw regen
He doesn’t regen his clothes. He didn’t even get a cut on his clothing
He doesn’t regen his clothes. He didn’t even get a cut on his clothing
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Wasn't that short, the two of them were brought to the ground and took a while to get back on their feet despite Queen's boasting afterwards, Queen himself was able to heal from a large slash wound from Marco in a short time frame as well so it shouldn't be that surprising.
That's actually not that uncommon, it's just a cause of fiction not being super accurate to it's story. A clear example I could give of this in One Piece would be when Zoro cut Kaku's chest in Asura and we see a bunch of blood come out of his chest but his clothes are completely unaffected.
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It definitely didn’t take a while at all. They got knocked down, then the next chapter starts with everybody praising Zoro and Sanji, they get up the page after.
If you mean the talon mark, that was done to his base, which doesn’t apply to his regen.
Sasaki kept a slash mark from Franky till the time of his KO. Ulti kept a wound from the lightning of Zeus.
They don’t have instant healing.
The difference is that we actually see a notable blood slash, and it could be because of the way his hoodie is made that it wouldn’t completely rip apart from a diagonal slash.
We don’t even see the cut on King. Zoro does an X based slash and it doesn’t come off?
And let’s remember that Zoro cutting off King’s clothes turned into a plot point right?
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You said ten seconds, which I don't agree with as an accurate timeframe. I'm using Queen healing from the talon flame as an example of how short their recovery can be.
It actually does apply to his regen as Ulti healed in base from her wound.
They did keep their wounds, I'm not arguing they have some crazy regen that covers everything. But based on what's been seen they have healed from wounds on the caliber of what you're claiming wasn't possible for King.
No, they're just a cut in the clothes, this isn't the only example in the story and it's super common. A cut that large that released that much blood would be noticeable.The difference is that we actually see a notable blood slash, and it could be because of the way his hoodie is made that it wouldn’t completely rip apart from a diagonal slash.
We don’t even see the cut on King. Zoro does an X based slash and it doesn’t come off?
And let’s remember that Zoro cutting off King’s clothes turned into a plot point right?
If you're trying to argue why his clothes don't come off I should probably remind you that it's not even a consistent thing in the fight; a direct shishi sonson lands on King's face but doesn't cut it (although this may be attributed to King defending with his flames) yet not even making direct contact with his tiger hunt attack broke his mask. Same for at the end of the fight where we see Zoro cut through King's pants twice with blood coming out both times but no sign of a cut appearing on the pants themselves.
The clothes breaking isn't that consistent and never has been in the manga.
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Marco made him cough blood while the fire amp was on
Zoro slashed him and drew blood while the fire amp was on
Either both are retconned, or neither are. Both did "damage" while his fire was on after all.
Also King with fire amp at some point started blocking Zoro's attacks
Which implies somewhere around the ending of that fight, Zoro became a threat regardless of the fire on/fire off mode. There's no Marco disrespect going on, just what the story's showing.
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Yeah I agree with emin and snook, kings Point doesn’t really make sense
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