[MCU] High 3-A Universe

[darkphantom9805]

@Qawsedf234 @LephyrTheRevanchist @Sir_Ovens @LordTracer @Emirp sumitpo @AbaddonTheDisappointment Thoughts on this?

doesn’t this already have enough mod votes do we need more ?

 

[KLOL506]

doesn’t this already have enough mod votes do we need more ?

Usually with big upgrades like these it's always better to have as many approvals as possible.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Usually with big upgrades like these it's always better to have as many approvals as possible.

It’s not a big upgrade? Barely anyone is getting effected by this

Also I thought you only needed a certain amount to start countdown what good does more do ?

 

[KLOL506]

Take it like this: You have two agrees and one neutral slightly leaning to disagree. Most would say that is not conclusive enough.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Take it like this: You have two agrees and one neutral slightly leaning to disagree. Most would say that is not conclusive enough.

I thought you only needed 2 mod agrees tho and the 1 neutral means his vote doesn’t amount to anything only disagrees matter

 

[Qawsedf234]

Thoughts on this?

Give me like twenty minutes to read over it.

 

[Qawsedf234]

So using our standards here and the FAQ section here

Q: What is the Tier for possessing Infinite Power or Infinite Strength?​

A: Statements regarding infinite power, infinite strength, or unlimited quantities do not automatically indicate an ability to produce an infinite amount of energy at once. For example, a power source that never depletes could have an infinite quantity of energy, but can't necessarily be wielded with infinite magnitude (not all at once). Statements involving "infinite power/strength" must be clearly indicative of magnitude to qualify for tiering, in order to avoid inflated ratings or inconsistencies in a story. Further, the hyperbolic nature of the phrase must be taken into consideration, where characters are prone to describing someone's power as infinite in a context where it is so great as to be insurmountable from their perspective, but not truly infinite in a manner relevant to their tier. If proven, however, statements of infinite strength would qualify for High 3-A or higher if evidence regarding a higher degree of infinity above baseline is established.

I'll go for a judgment

The "Guidebook to the Marvel Cinematic Universe - Thor" states that Asgard exists in a void of eternal space and that Loki fell into endless space:

Eternal Space means that it's just ageless or long-living, which isn't a size showing. Loki falling into Endless Space is a piece of supporting evidence, but on its own not a definitive statement in my mind.

The "Phase One: Thor" book states that an infinite space stretches among the Nine Realms and that Loki fell into the endless space among them:

The second quote has the same issue as the first one for the Endless Space, however, the infinite space amongst the Nine Realms is a more explicit statement about its size.

The junior novel of Thor: The Dark World states that the blackness of space is never-ending:

The "Phase Three: Doctor Strange" book states the same:

The first quote isn't "never-ending space" but "never-ending blackness of space" which is a highly common metaphor. I don't think this is even supporting evidence for High 3-A, but a common literary statement.

The second quote is better, but is still referring to the blackness of the void, which to me is supporting evidence rather than a direct statement.

"The Marvel Cinematic Universe: An Official Timeline" states that Earth exists in an endless void of space

This is pretty good a piece of evidence in my mind

And The Watcher stated that the universe is endless

This is a good piece of supporting evidence as well.

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Overall, I agree with a High 3-A change. However, for thread, there are some things we should clear up

What statements should be used
In my mind the following statements should be used as examples:

• The Thor novel - Primary Evidence
• The MCU Databook - Primary Evidence
• The Watcher - Supporting Evidence

I think that these are overall the least flowery and the ones with little to no challenge to them. The others have issues in my mind, and while they can be mentioned, I think the above three should be the "major" pieces of evidence.

Clarification of the space affected

So the OP lists the following

Arishem, Infinity Gauntlet, Power Stone, Ronan (With Power Stone), Thanos (With Power Stone and IG), plus the range of Malekith with the Aether/Reality Stone

The following are fine

• Arishem = Made the Big Bang, which generated an infinite volume of space
• Aether = Was going to alter all of reality
• Infinity Gauntlet = Has the Reality Stone within it and scales higher anyways

The following I mostly want user clarification on:

• Thanos = His statement is talking solely about the matter within the universe (Every last atom)
• Ronan = His statement is also seemingly talking about the matter within the universe

While the OP has proven there's an infinite amount of volume, they have not proven an infinite amount of matter. The Tiering system defines it as the following:

Characters or objects that demonstrate an infinite amount of energy on a 3-D scale, such as creating or destroying infinite mass, or those who can affect an infinite 3-D space. This extends to an infinite number of finite or infinite-sized 3-D universes or pocket dimensions when not accounting for any higher dimensions or time. Large numbers of infinite 3-D universes, unless causally closed from one another by a separate spacetime or existence, only count for a higher level of this tier. Being "infinitely" stronger than this level, unless uncountably so, does not qualify for any higher tier.

Are there more scans implying the Power Stone is a global reality warping thing on its own?

 

[RoTt35]

Are there more scans implying the Power Stone is a global reality warping thing on its own?

The Power Stone being universal comes from this statement. And the IG also has this statement from the IW artbook. I don't know if that works

 

[LMalone22]

bump

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I agree with Qaws.

 

[RoTt35]

Regarding Thanos, shouldn't he be High 3-A with the IG since it contains the Reality Stone which is High 3-A? Also, the IW artbook states that, unlike their previous owners, Thanos is able to harness the stones' powers on a completely different level, being their real master, which would put him above Malekith who was going to use the Aether to destroy the whole universe/reality

 

[darkphantom9805]

Regarding Thanos, shouldn't he be High 3-A with the IG since it contains the Reality Stone which is High 3-A? Also, the IW artbook states that, unlike their previous owners, Thanos is able to harness the stones' powers on a completely different level, being their real master, which would put him above Malekith who was going to use the Aether to destroy the whole universe/reality

He should be above it by default because the stones explicitly get stronger when combined meaning the IG by default is stronger then malekith could ever use 1 stone by itself also the reality stone isn’t even the strongest stone the power would scale above it because it’s literally the power stone

 

[Qawsedf234]

Regarding Thanos, shouldn't he be High 3-A with the IG since it contains the Reality Stone which is High 3-A? Also, the IW artbook states that, unlike their previous owners, Thanos is able to harness the stones' powers on a completely different level, being their real master, which would put him above Malekith who was going to use the Aether to destroy the whole universe/reality

The current verbiage of the page implies we're limiting him to just shown feats

Despite the Infinity Gauntlet being Low 1-C for using the combined power of all six of the Infinity Stones, it is unknown if Thanos would have been able to affect space and time with his snap. The least he would have been able to do, as he himself said, was shred the universe down to its last atom, and for this reason he scales to this feat.

I guess High 3-A with upscaling is fine though.

I'm still not sure about the Power Stone.

 

[IvarUHQ]

Accept

 

[RoTt35]

I guess High 3-A with upscaling is fine though.

I'm still not sure about the Power Stone.

So everything minus the Power Stone should be fine?

 

[Qawsedf234]

So everything minus the Power Stone should be fine?

With the reasoning given yeah

 

[LMalone22]

Is this accepted?

 

[RoTt35]

Btw, based on these statements and the High 3-A update, would the Aether/Reality Stone have High 3-A AP or would it still be limited to just its range?

 

[LMalone22]

I think Aether/Reality Stone should has rating AP High 3-A since it is stated to convert reality into endless night of dark matter and dark energy

 

[KLOL506]

This can prolly be applied now.