[MCU] Upgraded the Hulk tiers (with tags)

[RoTt35]

The 5-A calc is going be replaced by High 6-A btw

 

[Therefir]

They will probably just scale from the Hadron Enforcer.

 

[RoTt35]

They will probably just scale from the Hadron Enforcer.

There's also the option to scale Thanos to Likely 5-B via easily crushing the Tesseract which was undamaged by a blow from Eternal Flame Surtur, who was that tier before the 5-A upgrades

 

[Dinobot1996]

There's also Odin considering an Awakened Thor to be stronger than him, which an article on the Marvel website from 2020 seems to side with:

Plus there's Ronan apparently viewing Captain Marvel as being a more impressive weapon than the Tesseract

 

[Damage3245]

The 5-A calc is going be replaced by High 6-A btw

Related thread to address the ratings: https://vsbattles.com/threads/mcu-5-a-characters-revision.175843/

 

[Lacku]

Because number big make dopamine which means it good right???

The CRT that upgraded the Post-Awakening tiers to 5-A only properly closed a couple days ago. If you had any problem with it you should've said back then.

If Hulk was as strong as Thanos he would have one-shot Thor, Hela and EF Surtur, the upgrade would just create a massive circular scaling

This. There's no way to avoid circular scaling with Gladiator Hulk unfortunately.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

This. There's no way to avoid circular scaling with Gladiator Hulk unfortunately.

Well that’s the main thing that needs to be addressed no? How is Gladiator Hulk simultaneously as strong/relative to Thanos yet also not instantly killing Pre-Awakening Thor or Surtur? Cause he’s definitely not holding back when he punches Thor by the time in the fight Thor Awakens or when he goes to beat up Surtur.

 

[Raincutter]

The CRT that upgraded the Post-Awakening tiers to 5-A only properly closed a couple days ago. If you had any problem with it you should've said back then.

This. There's no way to avoid circular scaling with Gladiator Hulk unfortunately.

If Hulk wasn't relative to Thanos or Awakened Thor, he would've died in their respective fights. So either way creates extreme contradictions, and it's unfair to focus only on one. The most reasonable solution is to give pre-Awakened Thor a Ragnarok key that's 5-A. That way Hulk isn't billions of times weaker than Thanos, and that everyone doesn't become 5-A.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

If Hulk wasn't relative to Thanos or Awakened Thor, he would've died in their respective fights. So either way creates extreme contradictions, and it's unfair to focus only on one. The most reasonable solution is to give pre-Awakened Thor a Ragnarok key that's 5-A. That way Hulk isn't billions of times weaker than Thanos, and that everyone doesn't become 5-A.

But why would Thor just randomly be 5-A now? He got billions of times stronger between AoU and Ragnarok with no reason why?

 

[Raincutter]

But why would Thor just randomly be 5-A now? He got billions of times stronger between AoU and Ragnarok with no reason why?

Option 1:
Hulk can take attacks from 5-A Thanos and awakened Thor
-> Hulk must be 5-A
base Ragnarok Thor can take hits from that Hulk
-> base Ragnarok Thor is 5-A
Pre-Ragnarok Thor is 6-B
-> Thor grew stronger in the time frame between films

Option 2:
6-B pre-awakened Thor can harm and tank attacks from Ragnarok Hulk
-> Ragnarok Hulk is 6-B
Ragnarok Hulk can take attacks from 5-A Thanos and post-awakening Thor
-> Thanos and Thor are not 5-A

One option requires a suspension of disbelief that Thor grew absurdly in power, the other outright breaks post-Awakening scaling. Ofc you can try and ameliorate it and say "Well, Hulk lost quickly against Thanos, and Hulk was badly hurt by Thor" but that can't reconcile a supposed billion times strength gap.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Option 1:
Hulk can take attacks from 5-A Thanos and awakened Thor
-> Hulk must be 5-A
base Ragnarok Thor can take hits from that Hulk
-> base Ragnarok Thor is 5-A
Pre-Ragnarok Thor is 6-B
-> Thor grew stronger in the time frame between films

Option 2:
6-B pre-awakened Thor can harm and tank attacks from Ragnarok Hulk
-> Ragnarok Hulk is 6-B
Ragnarok Hulk can take attacks from 5-A Thanos and post-awakening Thor
-> Thanos and Thor are not 5-A

One option requires a suspension of disbelief that Thor grew absurdly in power, the other outright breaks post-Awakening scaling. Ofc you can try and ameliorate it and say "Well, Hulk lost quickly against Thanos, and Hulk was badly hurt by Thor" but that can't reconcile a supposed billion times strength gap.

So either option is functionally broken.

Thor has no reasoning whatsoever to have grown quite literally billions of times stronger between two films out of nowhere.

If Post-Awakening scaling is set as it is, then it cannot reconcile a world where Hulk doesn’t scale to Thanos or Post-Awakening Thor or the Hulkbuster.

So there’s simply a massive gap in scaling that Ragnarok brings that idk can be simply ignored or hand waves with “Thor got stronger” or “Hulk doesn’t scale.”

 

[RoTt35]

Option 3, neither Hulk nor Post-Awakening Thor scale from Thanos

 

[Lacku]

Option 3, neither Hulk nor Post-Awakening Thor scale from Thanos

Tbf I'm not to sure if what I'm thinking is what you mean but that could be the way to go. At the start of Infinity War it does look like Thor physically can't compare to Thanos, though we didn't see the battle. And when he gets Stormbreaker he does seem to have gotten massively stronger.

 

[RoTt35]

Tbf I'm not to sure if what I'm thinking is what you mean but that could be the way to go. At the start of Infinity War it does look like Thor physically can't compare to Thanos, though we didn't see the battle. And when he gets Stormbreaker he does seem to have gotten massively stronger.

There are also statements from the director and screenwriter about Endgame Thor being stronger than ever due to dealing with his emotional state

 

[Raincutter]

So either option is functionally broken.

Thor has no reasoning whatsoever to have grown quite literally billions of times stronger between two films out of nowhere.

If Post-Awakening scaling is set as it is, then it cannot reconcile a world where Hulk doesn’t scale to Thanos or Post-Awakening Thor or the Hulkbuster.

So there’s simply a massive gap in scaling that Ragnarok brings that idk can be simply ignored or hand waves with “Thor got stronger” or “Hulk doesn’t scale.”

tbf prior to the 5-A upgrades. We accepted that Thor grew billions of times stronger from Endgame to LAT by doing sit ups, lifting rockets. and wrestling spaceships. Hypothetically, he could have trained off-screen in search of the stones

 

[Raincutter]

Tbf I'm not to sure if what I'm thinking is what you mean but that could be the way to go. At the start of Infinity War it does look like Thor physically can't compare to Thanos, though we didn't see the battle. And when he gets Stormbreaker he does seem to have gotten massively stronger.

They magnify his abilities.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

tbf prior to the 5-A upgrades. We accepted that Thor grew billions of times stronger from Endgame to LAT by doing sit ups, lifting rockets. and wrestling spaceships. Hypothetically, he could have trained off-screen in search of the stones

Yeah and that’s totally fine cause they say he trained and was stronger than ever before. AoU to Ragnarok doesn’t have that statement to cover him here.

 

[Lacku]

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