King vs Sanji Rematch 2

[XDragnoir]

It's nulls buso defense, literally what we saw with Pica vs Zoro.

It doesn't, Luffy had inferior buso to Kata their whole fight and could still take his attacks by amping his stats with things outside of his Buso.

You're claiming that 400+100 and 200+300 have different results.

In verse the difference between them clearly isn't that of a 6-C and High 6-A, Kaidou's hit wasn't enough to completely pulverize Luffy to nothing it just had him badly bleeding. My point is though that AP clearly can allow you to one-shot or three-shot a far inferior opponent which King was compared to KOH Zoro.

What? Literally nothing of that matters because things not getting vaporized and people not dying is literally because of the author 1 not wanting to kill them and 2 not being aware of how strong they are compared to one another, you're quite literally claiming that Kaido isn't much stronger than Luffy even tho our profiles literally disagree with you.

If you wanted a closer example with a character who has good endurance then there's Zoro incapacitating Apoo with his shishi sonson.

You mean Apoo who wasn't one shot and literally got up and kept fighting after that attack from Zoro or maybe the Apoo who has worse Endurance than Sanji regardless of that?

Which doesn't change the fact the 7,5x AP Gap is a Vs Thread Rule and that's it, in verse one shots don't one shot in vs threads unless they have said AP gap.

 

[Eseseso]

Or how about Zoro taking off-screen hits from both Yonko between chapters 1003 and 1008, the same ones who in base with hao infusion made Queen basically wet himself by clashing?

 

[Kachon123]

Hybrid Kaidou struck a weakened Zoro with a Thunder Bagua and Zoro survived it albeit after coughing some blood up.

Zoro was put in a splint.

 

[Eseseso]

It doesn't, Luffy had inferior buso to Kata their whole fight and could still take his attacks by amping his stats with things outside of his Buso.

You're claiming that 400+100 and 200+300 have different results.

What? Literally nothing of that matters because things not getting vaporized and people not dying is literally because of the author 1 not wanting to kill them and 2 not being aware of how strong they are compared to one another, you're quite literally claiming that Kaido isn't much stronger than Luffy even tho our profiles literally disagree with you.

You mean Apoo who wasn't one shot and literally got up and kept fighting after that attack from Zoro or maybe the Apoo who has worse Endurance than Sanji regardless of that?

Which doesn't change the fact the 7,5x AP Gap is a Vs Thread Rule and that's it, in verse one shots don't one shot in vs threads unless they have said AP gap.

When has it been a rule that in-verse one-shots don't work on characters from the same goddamn verse?

It's never been like that for 2 characters of the same verse.

 

[XDragnoir]

That is literally the point.

Which literally just means Winch Queen > Exoskeleton, that literally means nothing to King's explosion scaling?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Zoro was put in a splint.

Because he took a double Yonko attack plus used Asura right before it.
and that's on top of the stuff he took beforehand

 

[Eseseso]

Which literally just means Winch Queen > Exoskeleton, that literally means nothing to King's explosion scaling?

King's explosion scales above Zoro's durability which scales to 2 people vastly superior to everything in Queen's arsenal considering how much they scared Queen.

When BM got her memory back despite being weakened by hunger, Queen flat out said she'd kill him.

 

[Kachon123]

Because he took a double Yonko attack plus used Asura right before it.
and that's on top of the stuff he took beforehand

We don't scale people from bleeding from attacks, sorry.

 

[Eseseso]

We don't scale people from bleeding from attacks, sorry.

So Sanji shouldn't scale to Winch Queen since it made him bleed, right?

 

[XDragnoir]

When has it been a rule that in-verse one-shots don't work on characters from the same goddamn verse?

It's never been like that for 2 characters of the same verse.

The rule is there that one shots in verse can't one shot in Vs Threads without having the AP gap, the burden is on you to prove this doesn't apply if they are from the same verse.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

We don't scale people from bleeding from attacks, sorry.

Are you trolling

Which literally just means Winch Queen > Exoskeleton, that literally means nothing to King's explosion scaling?

Yes and King scales to/above Queen. Put two and two together and you'll find that King can definitely injure Sanji.

 

[XDragnoir]

King's explosion scales above Zoro's durability which scales to 2 people vastly superior to everything in Queen's arsenal considering how much they scared Queen.

When BM got her memory back despite being weakened by hunger, Queen flat out said she'd kill him.

Zoro's durability doesn't scale to Kaido's Hao attacks tho, he wasn't killed but he clearly didn't and doesn't scale to that hao coated thunder bagua.

 

[Eseseso]

The rule is there that one shots in verse can't one shot in Vs Threads without having the AP gap, the burden is on you to prove this doesn't apply if they are from the same verse.

I provided proof.

Zoro has taken hits from much deadlier foes than Sanji, yet got one-shot.

So Sanji has no magical immunity to King's explosion.

 

[Eseseso]

Zoro's durability doesn't scale to Kaido's Hao attacks tho, he wasn't killed but he clearly didn't and doesn't scale to that hao coated thunder bagua.

He took hits from the Yonko off-screen between chapters 1003 and 1008.

 

[XDragnoir]

Also, weakened by hunger my ass, she was able to fight for 3 days non stop, i doubt hunger of that level in Udon would diminish her strength even slightly.

 

[Eseseso]

Also, weakened by hunger my ass, she was able to fight for 3 days non stop, i doubt hunger of that level in Udon would diminish her strength even slightly.

Where was this argument in my Sanji/Queen upgrade thread?

 

[Kachon123]

Exoskeleton + Buso > Exoskeleton's Durability > Hybrid Queen Sword 2 Hands > Hybrid Queen Sword 1 Hand > Hybrid Queen ~< Hybrid King AP ~ Zoro AP ~ Zoro Dura < Explosion

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Zoro's durability doesn't scale to Kaido's Hao attacks tho, he wasn't killed but he clearly didn't and doesn't scale to that hao coated thunder bagua.

If King was about to do more damage to a healthy Zoro than Kaidou did to an injured Zoro..
What do you think happens to Sanji?

 

[XDragnoir]

I provided proof.

Zoro has taken hits from much deadlier foes than Sanji, yet got one-shot.

So Sanji has no magical immunity to King's explosion.

You didn't, i am talking about proof the wiki rules allow for it in-verse, because the only rule i know so far is that in-verse one shots don't get to one shot in Vs Threads, there's no exception i know of that allows characters from the same verse to ignore this rule and if there is you'll have to bring it.

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When you see this, could you give Zoro's dura scaling during the time he blocked the explosion.

 

[Kachon123]

Zoro's dura scaling during the time he blocked the explosion.

Zoro's dura ~ Hybrid Kaido's AP

 

[Eseseso]

You didn't, i am talking about proof the wiki rules allow for it in-verse, because the only rule i know so far is that in-verse one shots don't get to one shot in Vs Threads, there's no exception i know of that allows characters from the same verse to ignore this rule and if there is you'll have to bring it.


When you see this, could you give Zoro's dura scaling during the time he blocked the explosion.

"The gap needed to qualify varies from verse to verse"

"This value is only an approximation, and the actual gap can be higher or lower depending on certain factors."

 

[DaMonkeMan]

For now until someone addresses my points I'm inclined to think King has considerably better AP and Dura.

 

[Kachon123]

If King was about to do more damage to a healthy Zoro than Kaidou did to an injured Zoro..
What do you think happens to Sanji?

Exoskeleton + Buso > Exoskeleton's Durability > Hybrid Queen Sword 2 Hands > Hybrid Queen Sword 1 Hand > Hybrid Queen ~< Hybrid King AP ~ Zoro AP ~ Zoro Dura < Explosion

Translation: Not much.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Kind of under the assumption Sanji can activate those in time.

 

[Eseseso]

Emin, if it's not an issue, I'd like to see the chain you sent Dragnoir, please.

Translation: Not much.

Ignoring that Base King's AP with a sword without any Haki scales to the tier above Queen's.

 

[XDragnoir]

"The gap needed to qualify varies from verse to verse"

"This value is only an approximation, and the actual gap can be higher or lower depending on certain factors."

Where did you get those from?

 

[Eminiteable]

Have you decided to vote yet?

For now I'm going to sleep I might vote tomorrow, I haven't given much thought on the match up as a whole just the individual points brought up.

When you see this, could you give Zoro's dura scaling during the time he blocked the explosion.

Tomorrow if I'm still interested in the thread, although...

Exoskeleton + Buso > Exoskeleton's Durability > Hybrid Queen Sword 2 Hands > Hybrid Queen Sword 1 Hand > Hybrid Queen ~< Hybrid King AP ~ Zoro AP ~ Zoro Dura < Explosion

In no universe is Hybrid Queen and Hybrid King relative

 

[XDragnoir]

Kind of under the assumption Sanji can activate those in time.

While you are still under the assumption Sanji's is slower than King and even worse, that he is slower than Zoro.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

While you are still under the assumption Sanji's is slower than King and even worse, that he is slower than Zoro.

He's not slower than them?

 

[Kachon123]

In no universe is Hybrid Queen and Hybrid King relative

He was able to slice Queen's hide, but it didn't do significant damage, hence why I wrote "~<".

 

[DaMonkeMan]

He was able to slice Queen's hide, but it didn't do significant damage, hence why I wrote "~<".

When did this happen

 

[XDragnoir]

He's not slower than them?

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I am not responding to this and i hope no one else does, go back and read the whole thread.

 

[Kachon123]

When did this happen

Chapter 1027.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

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I am not responding to this and i hope no one else does, go back and read the whole thread.

The stop making that claim.

 

[Eminiteable]

He was able to slice Queen's hide, but it didn't do significant damage, hence why I wrote "~<".

Why are you scaling via off-screen damage we can't see in the first place? We don't see to what extent he was hit with the slash & in the first place he wouldn't scale considering it overcame his durability by cutting him.

 

[XDragnoir]

The stop making that claim.

I don't have to stop making any claims, you just need to read the thread and actually understand the claim i am making, shouldn't be hard.

 

[Eseseso]

Chapter 1027.

The fact that a single Danmaku (of which King can fire dozens at once) sliced Zoan Queen's hide when King wasn't aiming at him or anyone in particular isn't a feat for Queen.

 

[Kachon123]

Why are you scaling via off-screen damage we can't see in the first place? We don't see to what extent he was hit with the slash & in the first place he wouldn't scale considering it overcame his durability by cutting him.

I never claimed that Queen scales to it.

 

[Eminiteable]

I never claimed that Queen scales to it.

Putting them relative in anyway from that feat is claiming Queen scales to it.

 

[Kachon123]

The fact that a single Danmaku (of which King can fire dozens at once) sliced Zoan Queen's hide when King wasn't aiming at him or anyone in particular isn't a feat for Queen.

Are you guys incapable of reading?

When the hell did I ever say it scales to Queen??