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King vs Sanji Rematch 2

Darkvie123 said:
Sanji's flames are indeed capable of reaching higher temperatures than King's flames, and he has shown the ability to increase the intensity of his fire based attacks to incredible levels. In this case, IJ would likely be an advantage for Sanji. The increased heat and range of Sanji's flames would make it difficult for King to dodge or defend and could potentially cause significant dmg to King..

Good point Sanji's Mastery with Kenbun would be able to predict King's movements and attacks making it easier for him to evade or counter Kings attacks.

Its def an advantage for Sanji against King, since he could keep up with King's aerial mobility accurately predict his attacks which also his Kenbun could help him avoid any surprise attacks from King or detect any weaknesses in King's Lunarian defenses.

But also its important to note that King is also a skilled user of Haki and would likely be able to sense Sanji's movements and predict his attacks as well. The outcome of the battle would depend on how well Sanji is able to utilize his Kenbun and how well he can counter King's abilities. While Sanji's mastery of Kenbun would be an advantage for him in the fight it wont be a guaranteed victory only bc of it. Sanji would still need to use his other abilities to overcome King range of skills and abilities.
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why does this guy's comment seem so much like an artificial intelligence response...
 
Eminiteable said:
Thanks, I'll post the evidence tomorrow but it seems King's Buso heat resistance scales to around the same level as Sanji's Exo + Buso resistance.
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Unless I'm mistaken King's buso heat resistance should scale to this level via being 5 layers above baseline:
  1. The Raid Suit are Flame-proof and their flame resistance scales above Sanji's diable jambe (Here)
  2. Prometheus's heat scales slightly above the Raid Suit's heat resistance via burning Reiju (Here)
  3. Early WCI Luffy's buso heat resistance scales above Prometheus' heat (Here)
  4. Early WCI Luffy's buso scales to 4 layers while King's scales to 5 layers (Here)
In conjunction with his natural Lunarian heat resistance he should be able to resist Ifrit's heat.
 
Kachon123 said:
Down terrible.
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Anyways, it's this:

King Buso > WCI Luffy Buso > Prometheus Heat > Jinbe Buso > Jinbe > Akainu Aura

Ifrit > Sanji Buso or Exo > Pre Training Sanji Buso > Base Sanji > Diable Jambe > WCI Luffy > Marineford Luffy > Akainu Aura
 
Kachon123 said:
It burned her skin, not the Raid Suit.
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Not sure that's how the raid suit functions, the exposed parts of their bodies are still for whatever reason are considered apart of the raid suit's abilities such as Sanji's Stealth Black which made his whole body invisible even though his face is exposed. Just like how despite being covered in flames in the first scan none of the vinsmokes were burned.
 
Eminiteable said:
Not sure that's how the raid suit functions, the exposed parts of their bodies are still for whatever reason are considered apart of the raid suit's abilities such as Sanji's Stealth Black which made his whole body invisible even though his face is exposed. Just like how despite being covered in flames in the first scan none of the vinsmokes were burned.
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The protection of the suits ≠ The ability the suit grants to the user's body.


We even separate Sanji's durability from the Raid Suit's durability, as his head got damaged by Zoan King's beak attack but the raid suit didn't due to his face being exposed.
 
Kachon123 said:
Anyways, it's this:

King Buso > WCI Luffy Buso > Prometheus Heat > Jinbe Buso > Jinbe > Akainu Aura

Ifrit > Sanji Buso or Exo > Pre Training Sanji Buso > Base Sanji > Diable Jambe > WCI Luffy > Marineford Luffy > Akainu Aura
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Actually, Eseseso is right, we don't scale layers and heat resistance like that.

It's:

King Buso > King Normal Heat Resistance > King Flames > Zoro's Resistance > Zeus heat = Lightning
Ifrit > Sanji Buso or Exo > Pre Training Sanji Buso > Base Sanji > Diable Jambe > WCI Luffy > Marineford Luffy > Akainu Aura >~ Enel heat = Lightning
 
Eseseso said:
I'm sorry but why do we automatically assume King's/Zoro's Buso to be above WCI Luffy's?
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Pretty sure it's accepted in the Buso layer CRT:
Stronger Haki means that you can resist hax that harm inferior Haki.
WB can make contact with Akainu who can't be touched by Marco, Vista, and Jinbe.
Katakuri can physically harm Luffy with Haki punches, who can't be harmed by Doflamingo's Haki kicks.
Smoker and Doffy can resist Law's spatial slashes which can affect Tashigi.

This applies over to growing Haki as well. It can grow to the point of resisting abilities that affected it prior.

As all Haki, even the most basic Haki has a resistance or a negation, scaling over it immediately provides you with a layer.
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Kachon123 said:
The protection of the suits ≠ The ability the suit grants to the user's body.


We even separate Sanji's durability from the Raid Suit's durability, as his head got damaged by Zoan King's beak attack but the raid suit didn't due to his face being exposed.
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Would have to go back and check but the invisibility granted by Sanji's suit is literally his suit camouflaging with the environment, wouldn't be possible unless the raid suit was able to effect the whole body.

Not the same thing, Sanji's was getting hurt from the beak prior to him even making contact with the ground. The Raid Suit protected him from being pierced but not from being damaged.
Kachon123 said:
Anyways, it's this:

King Buso > WCI Luffy Buso > Prometheus Heat > Jinbe Buso > Jinbe > Akainu Aura

Ifrit > Sanji Buso or Exo > Pre Training Sanji Buso > Base Sanji > Diable Jambe > WCI Luffy > Marineford Luffy > Akainu Aura
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Kachon123 said:
Actually, Eseseso is right, we don't scale layers and heat resistance like that.

It's:

King Buso > King Normal Heat Resistance > King Flames > Zoro's Resistance > Zeus heat = Lightning
Ifrit > Sanji Buso or Exo > Pre Training Sanji Buso > Base Sanji > Diable Jambe > WCI Luffy > Marineford Luffy > Akainu Aura >~ Enel heat = Lightning
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Luffy's heat resistance isn't shown to have improved from Marineford and Zoro's own heat resistance scales relative to Luffy's via punk hazard. Also there's nothing supporting Akainu's aura scaling above Enel's heat, it just scales above it's own feats.
 
Eminiteable said:
Would have to go back and check but the invisibility granted by Sanji's suit is literally his suit camouflaging with the environment, wouldn't be possible unless the raid suit was able to effect the whole body.
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Yes, the Raid Suit effects the whole body with its ability.

The suit itself has the heat resistance, not the person.
Eminiteable said:
Zoro's own heat resistance scales relative to Luffy's via punk hazard
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When?
 
Btw back to the topic imma list some advantages and disadvantages for Sanji and King for this matchup:

Sanji Advantages:
Mastery of Kenbunshoku Haki, Agility, Ifrit Jambe,

Disadvantages:
Vulnerability to Armament Haki, Reliance on kicks, Limited Range

King Advantages:
Physical Strength, Aerial Mobility, Mastery Of Busoshoku Haki

Disadvantages:
Limited CQC Ability, Vulnerability to Kenbunshoku Haki, Potential weakness to fire attacks like Ifrit Jambe
 
Darkvie123 said:
Btw back to the topic imma list some advantages and disadvantages for Sanji and King for this matchup:

Sanji Advantages:
Mastery of Kenbunshoku Haki, Agility, Ifrit Jambe,

Disadvantages:
Vulnerability to Armament Haki, Reliance on kicks, Limited Range

King Advantages:
Physical Strength, Aerial Mobility, Mastery Of Busoshoku Haki

Disadvantages:
Limited CQC Ability, Vulnerability to Kenbunshoku Haki, Potential weakness to fire attacks like Ifrit Jambe
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This sums it up pretty well.
 
Kachon123 said:
When?
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It's on both their profiles for their heat resistance, the environment of punk hazard effected and burned Luffy to around same degree as Zoro.

Also If I remember right we don't scale Luffy to the heat of Enel's lightning, only his heated up staff.
 
Kachon123 said:
Speed, intelligence, stamina/endurance, skill, regeneration, heat resistance
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Agree, Agree bc Sanji thinks strategic which would give him an advantage, agree, agree, agree with regen,

I think i disagree on Heat Resistance.

King is immune to fire due to his race and Flame On durability while Sanji's IJ allows him to generate intense flames. While Sanji's IJ may be hotter than King's. King's immunity to fire gives him an advantage in this area
 
Darkvie123 said:
King is immune to fire due to his race and Flame On durability while Sanji's IJ allows him to generate intense flames. While Sanji's IJ may be hotter than King's. King's immunity to fire gives him an advantage in this area
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No it doesn't. Sanji's heat resistance scaling is higher than King's.
 
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