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Demon Slayer (Kimetsu no Yaiba) - Breath of Discussion: 5th Form
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Randomlamdom
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20km radius with 90 percent hollowness and the structure being 30 percent concrete 70 percent wood equals 7-b
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Thank you. Can I have a look at the calc too?
Not really, the best AP feats in this verse aren't the characters at their full power. Doma's 8-B feat was him being poisoned 700 times over while also focusing on recovering rather than creating the structure that gave him that rating and Zenitsu's 8-A feat which used speed which was no where near his max.
Zenitsu in that feat (8-A) < IF arc thunderclap and flash Zenitsu < IF arc sixfold Zenitsu < IF arc eightfold Zenitsu << IF arc godspeed Zenitsu < seventh form Zenitsu in the Kaigaku fight < seventh form Zenitsu in the Muzan fight < full power seventh form Zenitsu
Randomlamdom
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Volume of a sphere with 20km radius is 33510321638291m3, divide by 100 = 335103216383m3
335103216383 x 90 to get hollowness percent = 3.0159289e+13m3, using 1.225kg/m3 for air density = 3.6945129e+13kg
335103216383 x 10 to get structure percent = 3.3510322e+12m3, divide by 100 = 33510322000m3
33510322000 x 30 to get concrete percent = 1.0053097e+12m3, using 2400kg/m3 for density = 2.4127433e+15kg
33510322000 x 70 to get wood percent = 2.3457225e+12m3, using 400kg/m3 for hinoki density = 9.38289e+14kg
3.6945129e+13 + 2.4127433e+15 + 9.38289e+14 = 3.3879774e+15kg, look at creation feats chart
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Do you think a Low End, Mid End and High End would make sense here?
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In order for this to be not an outlier it would be good to gather more evidence for it to be plausible for the characters to be on that level. One of the things that I can think of is the instance of Gyutaro being weakened by poison to the point where a base Tanjiro, who scales a hundred times below Gyutaro, was able to push him to the ground, so you could perhaps argue that Doma was weakened to a similar or higher degree since Shinobu's specialty is poison and he was straight up melting. There are also possible multipliers you could apply for Rui and an Awakened Daki since Rui gave the members of his fake family the vast majority of their strength and Daki had several sashes detached with one of them being able to fight Inosuke.
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I'll just substantiate on Doma's feat since I've already explained Zenitsu's one.
Doma was staving off poison that would've killed a normal demon 700 times over, and we know that poison does in fact decrease a demon's power due to Muzan's statement of his power being chipped away to stave of the drugs that he absorbed. To what degree was Doma's power being chipped then? Well, we know that a wisteria dosage not enough to kill a regular demon can already prevent Gyutaro from moving, stop him from using his BDA, and even halt his regeneration. Since the latter two are demon abilities that are a result of how concentrated his blood is, we can safely assume that a non-lethal wisteria dosage can cause the source of a demon's power to stop working, basically resulting in their demon abilities waning to the point that they basically aren't there anymore. So that gives you a rough idea of how much a non-lethal dosage ***** up demons, or even Upper Moons for that matter. And not only was Doma hit with a dosage that is lethal, but one that is 700x that amount. Suffice to say, Doma's full power is absolutely no where near 8-B
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You do have to take Doma's poison resistance and Adaption into account though this still shows that Doma should have been severely weakened in this scene.
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As far as I'm aware that's what is usually the case with calculations.
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Randomlamdom
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Regular users aren't able to @ others, have to ask on their profile
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I see. Also, would you mind making the calc into blog format? I assume its easier to access
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The Doma one yea he was severely poisoned, but there is still no way to determine how strong his full power would be, especially when people above him aren't doing any feats on his caliber they're just mainly upscaling.
And the 8-A calc for Zenitsu's says that his AP is dependent on his speed, so he was definitely at full power there would be no reason to assume he wasn't at max speed considering muzan was trying to delete everyone from the verse
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Zenitsu's KE calculation utilizes his speed against Kaigaku.
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The KE calculation doesn't take into account the speed Zenitsu would presumably have with God Speed or Flaming Thunder God. Thunderclap and Flash should technically also count as a speed boost, so that needs to be considered for the future.
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That feat used Zenitsu's non-technique speed to get the 8-A value.
Refer to this:
Randomlamdom
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I'm hesitant on doing a blog for a verse i'm not a supporter of, especially since i don't have scans
If anyone else wants to put a blog up they can use my numbers, but outside of that i'm
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I see. Would anyone be willing to make this calc into a blog?
Here should be the relevant scans, value and the calc as well as other relevant info
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Randomlamdom
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Speaking of pocket reality things, is anyone able to calc the size of the swamp demon's swamp? that might bump up his tier
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That's something that I've been thinking of as well.
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So outline for some promising CRT suggestions.
First I made a 8-C calc a while ago for young Rengoku tanking an explosion that destroyed large sections of the two floors below it. Still waiting evaluation though.
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his would scale to Rui and everyone higher, since the databook states that Rui is as strong as Lower Moon 1 or 2 despite not bothering to raise his rank.
There is already an accepted KE calc that puts final arc Zenitsu at 8-A.
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This a potential massive upgrade for the verse. So with Gyutaro's final blood scythe explosion, we can use the radius of the historic Entertainment District.
This calc uses the explosion formula, but if there are more appropriate methods we can use them instead.
There is an accepted pixel scaling calc with about half the radius, using fragmentation of concrete, that yielded 8-B.
An other concrete fragmentation calc using a larger radius yielded 7-C+. Though it is waiting evaluation.
The manga already suggests the destruction area is large, since Tanjiro had to go search around using his nose for a while with Nezuko before he could find Gyutaro's & Daki's heads, and he started far enough that he can't hear Gyutaro and Daki screaming at each other.
If the Tier 7 upgrade happens, we can downscale pre Demon Slayer Mark Tanjiro with the x100 multiplier, and use the Infinite Dimensional Fortress creation as support.
Also there is this crazy Yoriichi relativistic Tier 7 calc, though I have no clue where the timeframe is from.
So it is stated that Gyomeo and Kunao also have reactive power level:
Gyomei's scan states that demons have large speed of growth in combat abilities as well.
But I am not stopping here. Most characters get Reactive Power Level too!
Zenitsu straight-up stated that an in-verse rule is that when you fight someone stronger you get stronger yourself, therefore sparring is the fastest method of improvement.
There are plenty of less explicit statements, such as Mitsuri saying that the trio got the equivalent of 5-10 years of training by fighting Upper Moon 6, and statements about both humans and demons growing stronger when they are pushed to a corner.
Constant Flux should be a x2 multiplier. Tanjiro couldn't cut a single normal thread from Rui, but after he got the flowing ? going, a panel was dedicated to shows us that he managed to cut two threads at once after the explanation that Tanjiro's attack power increases with each spin.
This can be useful in scaling; for example Akaza managed to match the power of Giyu's flowing Constant Flux while toying with him.
Doma gets Limited Weather Manipulation.
It started snowing when Doma arrived to save Gyutaro and Daki, which is a foreshadowing of Doma's abilities.
First I made a 8-C calc a while ago for young Rengoku tanking an explosion that destroyed large sections of the two floors below it. Still waiting evaluation though.
Demon Slayer: Kyojuro Rengoku tanks an explosion
vsbattles.fandom.com
his would scale to Rui and everyone higher, since the databook states that Rui is as strong as Lower Moon 1 or 2 despite not bothering to raise his rank.
There is already an accepted KE calc that puts final arc Zenitsu at 8-A.
Demon Slayer: Final Arc Zenitsu's KE
vsbattles.fandom.com
This a potential massive upgrade for the verse. So with Gyutaro's final blood scythe explosion, we can use the radius of the historic Entertainment District.
This calc uses the explosion formula, but if there are more appropriate methods we can use them instead.
There is an accepted pixel scaling calc with about half the radius, using fragmentation of concrete, that yielded 8-B.
An other concrete fragmentation calc using a larger radius yielded 7-C+. Though it is waiting evaluation.
The manga already suggests the destruction area is large, since Tanjiro had to go search around using his nose for a while with Nezuko before he could find Gyutaro's & Daki's heads, and he started far enough that he can't hear Gyutaro and Daki screaming at each other.
If the Tier 7 upgrade happens, we can downscale pre Demon Slayer Mark Tanjiro with the x100 multiplier, and use the Infinite Dimensional Fortress creation as support.
Also there is this crazy Yoriichi relativistic Tier 7 calc, though I have no clue where the timeframe is from.
So it is stated that Gyomeo and Kunao also have reactive power level:
Gyomei's scan states that demons have large speed of growth in combat abilities as well.
But I am not stopping here. Most characters get Reactive Power Level too!
Zenitsu straight-up stated that an in-verse rule is that when you fight someone stronger you get stronger yourself, therefore sparring is the fastest method of improvement.
There are plenty of less explicit statements, such as Mitsuri saying that the trio got the equivalent of 5-10 years of training by fighting Upper Moon 6, and statements about both humans and demons growing stronger when they are pushed to a corner.
Constant Flux should be a x2 multiplier. Tanjiro couldn't cut a single normal thread from Rui, but after he got the flowing ? going, a panel was dedicated to shows us that he managed to cut two threads at once after the explanation that Tanjiro's attack power increases with each spin.
This can be useful in scaling; for example Akaza managed to match the power of Giyu's flowing Constant Flux while toying with him.
Doma gets Limited Weather Manipulation.
It started snowing when Doma arrived to save Gyutaro and Daki, which is a foreshadowing of Doma's abilities.
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The calculations seem interesting and I had been thinking of Reactive Power Level as well. Dance of the Fire God should be above Constant Flux, so that's something to keep in mind for the scaling. I'm not sure how we should interpret the scene with Doma though since it doesn't explicitly state that Doma caused it to snow, so that might be more along the lines of a "possibly" or "likely".So outline for some promising CRT suggestions.
First I made a 8-C calc a while ago for young Rengoku tanking an explosion that destroyed large sections of the two floors below it. Still waiting evaluation though.
Demon Slayer: Kyojuro Rengoku tanks an explosion
his would scale to Rui and everyone higher, since the databook states that Rui is as strong as Lower Moon 1 or 2 despite not bothering to raise his rank.
There is already an accepted KE calc that puts final arc Zenitsu at 8-A.
Demon Slayer: Final Arc Zenitsu's KE
This a potential massive upgrade for the verse. So with Gyutaro's final blood scythe explosion, we can use the radius of the historic Entertainment District.
This calc uses the explosion formula, but if there are more appropriate methods we can use them instead.
There is an accepted pixel scaling calc with about half the radius, using fragmentation of concrete, that yielded 8-B.
An other concrete fragmentation calc using a larger radius yielded 7-C+. Though it is waiting evaluation.
The manga already suggests the destruction area is large, since Tanjiro had to go search around using his nose for a while with Nezuko before he could find Gyutaro's & Daki's heads, and he started far enough that he can't hear Gyutaro and Daki screaming at each other.
If the Tier 7 upgrade happens, we can downscale pre Demon Slayer Mark Tanjiro with the x100 multiplier, and use the Infinite Dimensional Fortress creation as support.
Also there is this crazy Yoriichi relativistic Tier 7 calc, though I have no clue where the timeframe is from.
So it is stated that Gyomeo and Kunao also have reactive power level:
Gyomei's scan states that demons have large speed of growth in combat abilities as well.
But I am not stopping here. Most characters get Reactive Power Level too!
Zenitsu straight-up stated that an in-verse rule is that when you fight someone stronger you get stronger yourself, therefore sparring is the fastest method of improvement.
There are plenty of less explicit statements, such as Mitsuri saying that the trio got the equivalent of 5-10 years of training by fighting Upper Moon 6, and statements about both humans and demons growing stronger when they are pushed to a corner.
Constant Flux should be a x2 multiplier. Tanjiro couldn't cut a single normal thread from Rui, but after he got the flowing ? going, a panel was dedicated to shows us that he managed to cut two threads at once after the explanation that Tanjiro's attack power increases with each spin.
This can be useful in scaling; for example Akaza managed to match the power of Giyu's flowing Constant Flux while toying with him.
Doma gets Limited Weather Manipulation.
It started snowing when Doma arrived to save Gyutaro and Daki, which is a foreshadowing of Doma's abilities.
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Looks good. All demon slayers should have RPL, and there's a statement made by Muzan in chapter 193 that those that are close to death gain a sudden boost in power.So outline for some promising CRT suggestions.
First I made a 8-C calc a while ago for young Rengoku tanking an explosion that destroyed large sections of the two floors below it. Still waiting evaluation though.
Demon Slayer: Kyojuro Rengoku tanks an explosion
his would scale to Rui and everyone higher, since the databook states that Rui is as strong as Lower Moon 1 or 2 despite not bothering to raise his rank.
There is already an accepted KE calc that puts final arc Zenitsu at 8-A.
Demon Slayer: Final Arc Zenitsu's KE
This a potential massive upgrade for the verse. So with Gyutaro's final blood scythe explosion, we can use the radius of the historic Entertainment District.
This calc uses the explosion formula, but if there are more appropriate methods we can use them instead.
There is an accepted pixel scaling calc with about half the radius, using fragmentation of concrete, that yielded 8-B.
An other concrete fragmentation calc using a larger radius yielded 7-C+. Though it is waiting evaluation.
The manga already suggests the destruction area is large, since Tanjiro had to go search around using his nose for a while with Nezuko before he could find Gyutaro's & Daki's heads, and he started far enough that he can't hear Gyutaro and Daki screaming at each other.
If the Tier 7 upgrade happens, we can downscale pre Demon Slayer Mark Tanjiro with the x100 multiplier, and use the Infinite Dimensional Fortress creation as support.
Also there is this crazy Yoriichi relativistic Tier 7 calc, though I have no clue where the timeframe is from.
So it is stated that Gyomeo and Kunao also have reactive power level:
Gyomei's scan states that demons have large speed of growth in combat abilities as well.
But I am not stopping here. Most characters get Reactive Power Level too!
Zenitsu straight-up stated that an in-verse rule is that when you fight someone stronger you get stronger yourself, therefore sparring is the fastest method of improvement.
There are plenty of less explicit statements, such as Mitsuri saying that the trio got the equivalent of 5-10 years of training by fighting Upper Moon 6, and statements about both humans and demons growing stronger when they are pushed to a corner.
Constant Flux should be a x2 multiplier. Tanjiro couldn't cut a single normal thread from Rui, but after he got the flowing ? going, a panel was dedicated to shows us that he managed to cut two threads at once after the explanation that Tanjiro's attack power increases with each spin.
This can be useful in scaling; for example Akaza managed to match the power of Giyu's flowing Constant Flux while toying with him.
Doma gets Limited Weather Manipulation.
It started snowing when Doma arrived to save Gyutaro and Daki, which is a foreshadowing of Doma's abilities.
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The calc is mine. The time frame comes from the MHS+ Reaction speed that we highball Muzan to, since Tanjiro dodged hantengu's lightning, zenitsu dodged kaigaku's lightning casually, and muzan being faster than both, that's where you get the timeframe from.
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Applying lightning speed provided certain criteria are fulfilled is definitely valid but deriving a reaction speed from that and using it for a calculation that has nothing to do with lightning? That seems dangerously close to Calc Stacking to me. There are also certain standards for Kinetic Energy Feats that need to be considered and that have been deemed as being fulfilled at least in Zenitsu's case.
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Well, wouldn't muzan have higher reaction speeds than zenitsu? If a casual zenitsu can dodge lightning, what stops muzan from doing so?
Do you also mind checking the calculation?
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Muzan scales indeed higher than Zenitsu. We just wouldn't use calculated reaction speeds for calculations that have nothing to do with the original feats that got those results for reaction speed. Assuming lightning reaction speeds for calculations due to prior feats would fall under the Hiding Calculations section of the Calc Stacking page that I've linked. It would be better to use explicit statements or some other approximation for calculations like that.
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Yep, would be invalidated due to calc stacking.
Thoughts on this statement about Akaza adapting to Giyu's speed increase?
The fight can be interpreted by Akaza massively holding back, or his maximum speed increasing throughout the fight.
Thoughts on this statement about Akaza adapting to Giyu's speed increase?
The fight can be interpreted by Akaza massively holding back, or his maximum speed increasing throughout the fight.
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I'd say that Akaza isn't necessarily going at his full speed all the time, so him adjusting to Giyu could be interpreted as him just adjusting the amount of speed he uses though differing interpretations depending on the evidence are possible.Yep, would be invalidated due to calc stacking.
Thoughts on this statement about Akaza adapting to Giyu's speed increase?
The fight can be interpreted by Akaza massively holding back, or his maximum speed increasing throughout the fight.
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It hasn't been closed yet, so you can still say something if you want to.
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Idk if i will but uhh why were revisions applied if it wasn't finished?
Also why exactly people like giyuu would scale to marked Muichiro speed
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The OP deemed that there was enough agreement and there were also staff members who agreed.
Giyu's profile doesn't say anything about being faster than Muichiro. I guess Massively Hypersonic is just the replacement for Massively Hypersonic+.
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I see
The op says Muichiro blitzing Gyokko fishes mhs calc js The replacment( i questioned in the Thread anywyays)
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