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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

Asura surprisingly doesn't really resist a whole lot, he's got soul resistance and the basic resistance to outer space conditions like anyone who's been in space with no protection gets but beyond that nothing, Kratos could petrify him and absorb his life-force and stop time (Honestly a missed opportunity from the devs to not have a cool scene of Asura breaking out of Chakravaritins time stop). Issue is convincing people Kratos would even land any of it in the first place. Getting him to cosmic levels is one thing, but like tipper said there's not really a good way to explain Kratos being quadrillions of times ftl without looking insane.
Arguing he outhaxes seems to be easier than arguing he overpowers him. Maybe they can just say Kratos is just too durable or has a lot of endurance and then he can outhaxes Asura. I mean, they had Omni-Man beat Bardock even though they put Bardock thousands of times faster. (Main problem of the matchup was the Sun Disk).
 
Asura surprisingly doesn't really resist a whole lot, he's got soul resistance and the basic resistance to outer space conditions like anyone who's been in space with no protection gets but beyond that nothing, Kratos could petrify him and absorb his life-force and stop time (Honestly a missed opportunity from the devs to not have a cool scene of Asura breaking out of Chakravaritins time stop). Issue is convincing people Kratos would even land any of it in the first place. Getting him to cosmic levels is one thing, but like tipper said there's not really a good way to explain Kratos being quadrillions of times ftl without looking insane.
It doesn't help outside briefly using Icarus' wings and Hermes' footwear, Kratos isn't known to be a very mobile or agile character, good luck convincing normies and even certain other Vs debaters he's climbing upon large monsters, traversing mountains and rowing boats at MFTL to Infinite speeds.

Don't get me wrong, I think GoW ratings here are serviceable and the fact there's even a popular distinction between gameplay Kratos and lore Kratos (like they're two different characters) is pretty stupid tbh. But from DBs perspective it's an unenviable task trying to convince the potential naysayers (feats Vs statements is the ultimate MU).
 
Don't get me wrong, I think GoW ratings here are serviceable and the fact there's even a popular distinction between gameplay Kratos and lore Kratos (like they're two different characters) is pretty stupid tbh. But from DBs perspective it's an unenviable task trying to convince the potential naysayers (feats Vs statements is the ultimate MU).
I mean they did that for Dragonborn v Undead
 
Honestly Kratos struggling with Atla's fingers and Asura blowing up Wyzen who was bigger than the planet is likely more than enough for casual audiances (And let's be real, like half of the vs community as well) for the latter to win.
 
I mean they did that for Dragonborn v Undead
Dragonborn vs Undead also had the benefit of having their actual feats not making a difference in the results. Discounting lore would've still ended in the DB winning which is why they brought it up alongside the lore, no matter what the results were clear.

Kratos vs Asura is literally just lore vs feats, Krato's best showings aren't even comparable to Chapter 1 Asura without lore so it'd be a harder pill to swallow for just his lore to get him the win.
 
Looking over the high-end Kratos Lore™️ speed arguments this is actually strangely blatant
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Assuming they're consistent with their standards Kratos is probably taking speed since Dragonborn got Infinite speed Lore™️

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(Honestly a missed opportunity from the devs to not have a cool scene of Asura breaking out of Chakravaritins time stop).
i always thought he did in those boss battles
There is diff speeds, if one is faster in travel but other in reaction, unles latter is too slow, they should react to the former
im aware but this isn't a game kratos is taking given this is asura we're talking here
 
Kratos has hax with Greece weps, not sure if Norse hax only is enough.
Base powers still has the immortality neg + absorbing powers

Norse weapons give him space-time manipulation, curses, stuns, attack negation + redirection + reflection, sound manipulation, poison manip, sealing, more absorption (with added resistance negation), with Asura MAYBE resisting his soul/mind/memory/probability/concept manip due to a technically since you could argue his limited soul resistance is applicable there

He also just has Seidr and Bifrost magic which adds its own list of abilities
 
It doesn't help outside briefly using Icarus' wings and Hermes' footwear, Kratos isn't known to be a very mobile or agile character, good luck convincing normies and even certain other Vs debaters he's climbing upon large monsters, traversing mountains and rowing boats at MFTL to Infinite speeds.
Travel speed =/= reaction speed

Thats like saying usain bolt and bruce lee are equally as fast, when the two are fast in two different speeds here

Dragon ball has low flight speed in their profiles, very low, compared to their reactions and all
 
Travel speed =/= reaction speed

Thats like saying usain bolt and bruce lee are equally as fast, when the two are fast in two different speeds here

Dragon ball has low flight speed in their profiles, very low, compared to their reactions and all
I mean there ain't much for super absurd reaction speed on par with Asura with Kratos without looking kinda crazy, most people ain't gonna be accepting that Kratos has literal infinite speed reactions and combat speed because an artbook called the underworld infinite.
 
I mean there ain't much for super absurd reaction speed on par with Asura with Kratos without looking kinda crazy, most people ain't gonna be accepting that Kratos has literal infinite speed reactions and combat speed because an artbook called the underworld infinite.
Well even if it's taken, they could get Asura to the same ballpark if they interpret the Naraka feat a certain way.
 
I mean there ain't much for super absurd reaction speed on par with Asura with Kratos without looking kinda crazy, most people ain't gonna be accepting that Kratos has literal infinite speed reactions and combat speed because an artbook called the underworld infinite.
They thought jojo wasnt FTL either despite many stuff saying they are, let alone feats too, so why a statement of underworld size for speed is any different?

Hercules has literally in game the capability to shield his eyes from helios light if you try to blind him for example
 
Also being real i do not see how you can explain Kratos being faster than Asura in any coherent fashion whatsoever without looking like a crackhead
By doing the same thing they did with the likes of Chosen Undead, Ren Amamiya/Joker and Dragonborn, by showing the feats, statements, guidebooks and scaling.

Like try tell to casual Final Fantasy 7 fan (or one who isn't involved with powerscaling) that Cloud apparently actually capable to wipe out solar systems or multiple galaxies at the very least, when in general machine guns can still kill the cast or one of the major plot point of the series its that they couldn't stop a meteor from destroy Gaia.

Yet despite that its not like this scaling its made up, we do have actual evidence to prove that.
 
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Dragonborn vs Undead also had the benefit of having their actual feats not making a difference in the results. Discounting lore would've still ended in the DB winning
Wrong, without lore Dragonborn doesn't have the edge in raw strength, which was the major factor for him to win since he couldn't prevent the Chosen Undead to return back over and over until he win the battle of attrition.

With only visual feats and statements from games Chosen Undead can still end up to Star Level by defeating begins who can fuel the Sun, while the Dragonborn at best its Planet Level by scaling to Alduin.
 
Wrong, without lore Dragonborn doesn't have the edge in raw strength, which was the major factor for him to win since he couldn't prevent the Chosen Undead to return back over and over until he win the battle of attrition.

With only visual feats and statements from games Chosen Undead can still end up to Star Level by defeating begins who can fuel the Sun, while the Dragonborn at best its Planet Level by scaling to Alduin.
DB treated him beating a dude that split a continent as being superior strength wise to the chosen undead before they got into how strong they'd be via all the lore (They even said he had better feats in that regard). I haven't played Dark Souls in way too long, but whether they were right on that front doesn't really matter for the episodes logic since they treated him as being stronger regardless of lore making the two of them cosmic.

There is legit no way for them to do the same for Kratos vs Asura. They could do the most bullshit sun disk equivalent calc for Kratos and the various gods he murks and it still isn't touching Asura casually flying across the galaxy and blowing up stars, he needs the lore to win and without it just completely loses. Easier to swallow for people that Dragonborn and Chosen Undead are cosmic when they also bring up feats and stats on a much lower level that would have the same result anyway, not as easy to tell people "Yeah in terms of feats Kratos is like continental and around the speed of light while Asura is galaxy level and billions of times ftl, but uh the lore in ascension and some artbooks make Kratos infinite universal with infinite speed so he wins actually."
 
Like try tell to casual Final Fantasy 7 fan (or one who isn't involved with powerscaling) that Cloud apparently actually capable to wipe out solar systems or multiple galaxies at the very least, when in general machine guns can still kill the cast or one of the major plot point of the series its that they couldn't stop a meteor from destroy Gaia.
supernova still exist lol even if ya don't buy cloud getting it its not something that doesn't exist
Ren Amamiya/Joker
he fought giorno whos frankly street level and joker took stats no matter the angle ,the debate was can he bypass GER?
DB treated him beating a dude that split a continent as being superior strength wise to the chosen undead before they got into how strong they'd be via all the lore (They even said he had better feats in that regard). I haven't played Dark Souls in way too long, but whether they were right on that front doesn't really matter for the episodes logic since they treated him as being stronger regardless of lore making the two of them cosmic.

There is legit no way for them to do the same for Kratos vs Asura. They could do the most bullshit sun disk equivalent calc for Kratos and the various gods he murks and it still isn't touching Asura casually flying across the galaxy and blowing up stars, he needs the lore to win and without it just completely loses. Easier to swallow for people that Dragonborn and Chosen Undead are cosmic when they also bring up feats and stats on a much lower level that would have the same result anyway, not as easy to tell people "Yeah in terms of feats Kratos is like continental and around the speed of light while Asura is galaxy level and billions of times ftl, but uh the lore in ascension and some artbooks make Kratos infinite universal with infinite speed so he wins actually."
Winner
Asura feats literally ***** on kratos in pure visuals no matter the angle
while you could make a doable argument in AP, Speed is just lol no
 
I feel like DB would say they're both universal and equal in strength, Asura is faster, but Kratos is more tactical, has better haxes, and has more control of his anger.
 
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