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I do find it funny that Bill's original punishment was a GER Death Loop, which ended up not being a worse enough fate so he was re-trialed for therapy
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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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I see, that's what the spin offs and books say, correct? I admit I only watched the show as a kid, just by it, people were saying he was temporarily defeated and would return in the future, that he wasn't dead dead, just sealed, petrified, etc.
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I haven’t actually seen reasoning for Sage being more intangible than CS ghosts, so rn it’s just Sage being relative to them
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He's had a few different fates, before the book therapy as I mentioned he suffered a GER Death Loop where he had to play out the entire series over and over in a box set
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Yeah, according to The Book of Bill he actually died, got "ressurected" by the Axolotl and then sent to the Theraprism
As mentioned above by Blizzard, the original fate destined to him was a time loop
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Coulda' sworn there was something on the topic a few pages back.
If that's the case, it's only 2 layers, no?
Boos can phase through walls & other stuff, IIRC, even when not using their Intangibility, & other characters can harm Boos, so that's 1 layer.
When they do go "invisible", most things other than Superguards (In TTYD.) & the Star Beam can't affect them, so that's a 2nd layer.
Same for Magikoopa-granted Intangibility, IIRC, as shown by Duplighosts (Which copy other physical attributes, like being electric or explosive.) copying Lady Bow & then being turned Intangible by a Gray Magikoopa being able to be made tangible again via the Star Beam.
Star Rod MIGHT be able to undo it, but the Star Beam is done by the Star Spirits who created/oversaw the Star Rod, & the Star Rod has an anti-feat of being unable to hit Mario & Lady Bow when Bow uses Outta Sight.
This limitation could be Game Mechanics, though; The only instances of breaking Intangibility, other than the Star Beam, which has plot-related reasons for removing buffs, are all player-favoring, in a game that heavily favors the player. (Like player's side always getting the 1st turn, for example.)
& Repel Gel offers the same Intangibility that the Star Rod, which can grant wishes & grant Bowser Invulnerability the Star Beam can't negate until it's upgraded to the Peach Beam.
(Though, it can negate base Bowser's Star Rod Invulnerability; It's after she uses the power up machine arena thingy that the Invulnerability becomes too much for the Star Beam to negate.)
So it could just be devs wanted player-favoring Invulnerable Intangibility, & game mechanics were made in service to that, & the Star Rod SHOULD be able to Negate 2-layer Intangibility, since it can grant Invulnerability that can't be negated by something that CAN Negate 2-layer Intangibility.
Plus, the Star Rod's wave attack is able to negate every other buff, IIRC, like Charged Status, Petrification (Maybe?), Cloud Nine & Water Block, so it's a little weird this wish-granting thing would only be stopped by an "Invisible"/Intangible status, when its creators (The Star Spirits.) can get around that. (Against Bowser's Star Rod without his power-up machine, anyway.)
I'm unsure. What do you all think?
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They might say the Boos are a counter.
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True.
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Shao Kahn?
More like Sham Kahn.
Maybe. There's also the question of if Mario has any in cyberspace or such stuff.
Most I can remember AtM is the ending to a MP8 Mini-Game where the Mini-Game's ending has a character left trapped in a computer.
There's also the Boo's Sheet item (Grants Invisible/Intangible status.), & the Spite Pouch which deals half the damage taken as counterattacks against Direct Attacks.
The former.... Well, Invisible/Intangible can't be hit, even by those that also have the status, AFAIK. Counterattacks ignore this.
Also, I'm realizing that funnily enough, Mario has tools Bowser doesn't here, because in TTYD, the Crystal Stars can hit "Invisible"/Intangible opponents, including intangible Boos, Dark Boos & those they grant it, too.
IDK if Star Spirit Powers can affect Invisible/Intangible foes, though.
In theory, Star Storm, Chill Out & or Up, Up & Away might work.
But even if they do, Bowser only "had" the Star Spirits in that he kidnapped them & sent his minions to oversee them.
Mario's use of Star Spirit Powers is literally through prayer & summoning. Unless Bowser gets the kidnapped Star Spirits & mind controls them or something AND they can hit Intangible....
Anyone wanna go down to post-Chapter 7 Crystal Palace & try Star Storming some enemies Gray Magikoopas Intangible'd up?
& while the Crystal Stars are already known to be able to bypass Intangibility, Bowser probably has even less chance of getting them, since the closest he came to having ANY was:
1. Fighting Mario. (& losing. Twice.)
2. Going to Rawk Hawk's Secret Underground Training Room to steal the Gold Crystal Star from Rawk Hawk's Champion's Belt, only for it to get knocked off its display on the wall, fall to the ground & break, because it's a fake.
3. Going to Poshley Sanctum and stealing a SECOND fake Crystal Star, because the real Crystal Star is in a secret second version of Poshley Sanctum with much worse lighting & lots of Dark Boos that you enter by going into a background painting of the building itself, inside the building.
Also, it was technically the third fake Crystal Star; The museum's curator, Pennington had to replace Poshley Sanctum's original fake because Beldam, Marilyn & Doopliss stole the first fake, & so Pennington had to replace it for public display.
But hey, if he had actually gotten the real Garnet Star, maybe Bowser could try Showstopper's Death Manipulation mechanics on Sage & company, lol.
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I mean, Boos are more relevant for the basis of what level of Intangibility they grant & thus what other Mario series characters can affect.
I'm confident Sage could solo most, if not every Boo.
(Also Magikoopas (PM64 & TTYD.), Kammy included, can grant it (Kammy only shows she can in TTYD.), though IDK if she can/does grant it to Bowser.)
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Pretty sure the answer is "Yes, easily."
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Although being fr, Steve I heard gets star level with Minecraft dungeons, which he is featured in
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Why did they draw Terrarian like an Adobe Flash Anime Protag?
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Idk I guess that’s just their artstyle
They have done similar art with the corruption vs crimson video
They have done similar art with the corruption vs crimson video
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Metal Sonic is kind of cooler in concept than he is in practice (the Sonic OVA, Heroes, and IDW being the exceptions to this)
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Should Dandadan get an MU or is it too early?
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No he died, or like the closest he can come to dying but then a god revived him so he can attend therapy.
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Grrr, that Dorito that I ******* hate
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Oh look yet another game with an unassuming, simple premise yet gets all Lovecraftian too.Get that homie past the Wall Of Flesh first bro
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^This, he went from "show me what you made of" to "I'm made of Jobberium" quite quickly tbh.
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Earliness of relevance is a stupid misnomer anyway. So yeah, why not?
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On another note:
This reminds me - recently (around the same time I was editing the Egil vs Carol trailer (?)), I was asked by @JoshDoshMosh what I thought of Starscream vs Metal face (not the first time I've been asked by someone about said MU, but I digress). The thing is, what with Mumkhar ultimately being not quite a major enough character to constitute thorough MU spreads, I brainstormed a scenario for Egil vs Carol (in other words, an army fight) where the Faces (Metal Face, Xord and Jade Face specifically) fought the Autoscorers - and it got me thinking (with Sage as the example): Does this strictly disqualify those implicated as 'part of the army' so to speak from having their own MUs later down the line?
I mean I'm aware back in S1 we had Zitz vs Leonardo right after the TMNT Battle Royale... but again, that was S1. A lot has changed since then, so I'm not sure if there's some unwritten rule these days disqualifying it that came about as a result of S1's Lovecraftian lack of a season structure.
This reminds me - recently (around the same time I was editing the Egil vs Carol trailer (?)), I was asked by @JoshDoshMosh what I thought of Starscream vs Metal face (not the first time I've been asked by someone about said MU, but I digress). The thing is, what with Mumkhar ultimately being not quite a major enough character to constitute thorough MU spreads, I brainstormed a scenario for Egil vs Carol (in other words, an army fight) where the Faces (Metal Face, Xord and Jade Face specifically) fought the Autoscorers - and it got me thinking (with Sage as the example): Does this strictly disqualify those implicated as 'part of the army' so to speak from having their own MUs later down the line?
I mean I'm aware back in S1 we had Zitz vs Leonardo right after the TMNT Battle Royale... but again, that was S1. A lot has changed since then, so I'm not sure if there's some unwritten rule these days disqualifying it that came about as a result of S1's Lovecraftian lack of a season structure.
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Sage is also part of Cyberspace which is type 2 information. You need NPI that can interact with type 2 information to hit her (Death Battle will ignore this).
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This video is really bad. We shouldn't let non powerscalers powerscale. He got the right verdict with the worst reasonings imaginable.
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what would be the most aesthetically pleasing DB between a nintendo and playstaiton ip?
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FWIW, there are already matchups for Momo and/or Okarun.
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Is there an article here that explains the different types of information and layers of intangibility?
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There's a CRT going on just now, and there's the Cyberspace blog as well
2 Years Later: A Sonic Frontiers CRT
Intro Lovely to see your face again. How's the kids? The dogs? Nice. While work for Shadow Generations continues, I'm going to be bringing forth an update on the 2 year anniversary for Sonic Frontiers. Let's get to it! The Updates This CRT is entirely dedicated to Cyber Corruption, current...
Looking into Cyber Space: A World of Information
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Damn, the vast majority of the matchups are just so bad, why is it always like this.
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Because they're things random people just sent in based on what seems to make sense based on pop culture relationships, rather than relative powers and abilities.
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Predicting an Eggman win (knock on wood), here is the strength listing so far this season: 1. Joker, 2. Eggman, and 3. Omni-Man (
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Death Battle fans have Dogshit taste in mu
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